Seriously, that Lucian is not ok
I keep seeing more and more people abusing Lucian mid. And is insane how good he is compared to freaking AP champs.
I keep seeing more and more people abusing Lucian mid. And is insane how good he is compared to freaking AP champs.
He literally has a nerf on the pbe rn. And I don't think a 45% winrate is enough to call it "abuse".
Yes it is, because someone goes vs an unstoppable lucian mid and they try to emulate
So what you're saying is a niche playstyle is working for one tricks and not working for people just trying it out? Sounds fine to me. Why shouldn't lucian be allowed mid especially when it isn't a large number of people that's actually doing well with it?
I only see how much they feed :P
Also, they ruin Teamcomps. An AD mid forces at least one Mage Top or Bot as a "Support". I can't stress out how bad it is, especially when they don't abuse their Early Game advantage, leading to a worse Corki later on.
he needs to be viable in some lane at least
Certainly isn't viable bot. Gets fucking raped at the moment.
that's what I'm saying
The patch immediately following his pick midlane in a pro game, he should have been nerfed harder than Olaf was. That is to say, his winrate should have halved at the very least.
ADCs should never be allowed mid, under any circumstances, and any ADCs taken mid should be immediately gutted, then left in the trash heap for at least 1.5 seasons.
There is nothing wrong with ADCs being able to go mid. Varus did it for a long time and midlane used to be his home a season or two ago. Classes should have that flexibility, but the problem lies when ADCs are able to fill every lane but no one else can. When an ADC is one of the better picks in midlane, while also being the class that is almost always dominant in botlane (outside instances like Ziggs and Morde), that's where the issue is.
But just him being able to go mid isn't a problem and is no reason to call for a gutting (there is almost 0 reason to call for the gutting of a champ). He might be strong and need some nerfs, like what is currently going on on the PBE, but him being there isn't the actual problem.
Varus mid was and is a joke. If an ADC mid or top actually becomes meta, it's because that ADC is busted.
Nonsense, he was played in every elo and at LCS/Worlds level with outcomes between good and great.
Varus mid was and is a joke. If an ADC mid or top actually becomes meta, it's because that ADC is busted.
Xayah isn't busted and she's played mid more and more
I have yet to see Xayah mid...
If an ADC is picked in a solo lane, they're busted. No exceptions. Since marksmen are the only duo lane candidates, they should automatically lose solo lanes, to the point where being behind 50 CS and down 5 kills at 10 minutes is considered "okay"
[{quoted}](name=Iota Theta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F9jXj6qr,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-09-06T08:36:50.577+0000)
There is nothing wrong with ADCs being able to go mid. Varus did it for a long time and midlane used to be his home a season or two ago. Classes should have that flexibility, but the problem lies when ADCs are able to fill every lane but no one else can. When an ADC is one of the better picks in midlane, while also being the class that is almost always dominant in botlane (outside instances like Ziggs and Morde), that's where the issue is.
But just him being able to go mid isn't a problem and is no reason to call for a gutting (there is almost 0 reason to call for the gutting of a champ). He might be strong and need some nerfs, like what is currently going on on the PBE, but him being there isn't the actual problem.
Again, let me explain. ADCs are dominant at bot because they're the class that is screwed over the LEAST by spit exp. And by the nature of the map, you HAVE to have at least one duo lane. That's why you had to specifically design Morde to get full exp in that lane. ADCs go into other lanes when their ADC identity is compromised - Corki, Varus, Lucian, Graves were changed in various ways to play fundamentally differently from botlane ADCs.
People like you are why Riot started ignoring NA boards opinion when it comes to marksmen.
Maybe Riot started ignoring NA boards opinion when it comes to marksman because they know its biased as hell.
All I can see is, him getting fucked by a burst mage.
Yeah, he's strong in certain matchups, but weak in others.
Yup.
I hate him a lot tho. He's annoying asf early game with his passive and fervor.
Lucian is good into burst, bad into dps
Which is why his worst matchup is Cassiopeia
Lucian mid is good early, but most mages/assassins hit big power spikes off their first item where lucians first item isnt to big whether its cleaver, shiv, ie, or shiv/pd. if you play safe till then and dont have any terrible positioning then you should be fine
Nerf
this cancer
Yeah 45% win rate is not ok it's horrible
But, muh winrate.
Serious though, Lucian mid is cancer and should never be allowed to exist.
Just last week, Meddler said he was fine mid. Obviously not, considering he's receiving nerfs on the pbe now. I feel like Riot don't know what they're talking about half the time lately, with their heads lost in the competitive scene.
ADC mid used to be the meta. So viable.
I could envision some sort of adc mid, kill lane bot with the apc and a tank
Same here.
mages botlane don't work because XP is split, and mages are more level reliant than marksmen.
mages botlane don't work because XP is split, and mages are more level reliant than marksmen.
The level thing, while relevant, isn't really a make or break difference, what does matter however, is synergy between the bot laner and their support. A damage dealing champion that has good synergy with a teammate around (examples include:
,
,
) generally make excellent partners for meta support picks (which usually don't do much damage, but are good at protecting their teammate who does do damage). Sometimes you don't even need that much damage if other things make your duo strong (for example,
+
is actually an effect bot lane, especially against basic attack focused marksmen).
Winning lane doesn't equal winning game. The fuck is anyone gonna do with a shen bot.
Winning lane doesn't equal winning game. The fuck is anyone gonna do with a shen bot.
If your team composition as a whole has the right tools, it doesn't matter than Shen was bottom lane or not. It's an effective lane, and if your teamcomp is also solid, winning the game (from the position you end up in after laning phase) won't be any harder than if you'd played meta lanes.
So you're suggesting getting an entire team to change their meta simply to be effective with yours. Good luck.
So you're suggesting getting an entire team to change their meta simply to be effective with yours. Good luck.
If you have a Lucian mid (context of present thread), and enough magic damage (and damage in general) between top and jungle, then yes, Shen+Leona for bot lane is an entirely worthwhile choice, and in that situation actually fits your team composition very nicely.
It depends , tho he can't even kill me when I play Lux or Ahri , more like I get fed on him
He's getting nerfed in the next patch.
please stop. he's already being gutted more. 4 more seconds on his E cooldown which means until level 10 its gonna be VERY long.
he's pretty much trash in bot lane right now. Lucian is my favorite adc but they just keep nerfing him over and over.
level 9
MAX IT FIRST FOR THE LULS
at least mid lucian isn't a direct upgrade to his adc counterpart
all that sweet and dank peels from your support lucian mid wont be getting most of them
I can't stand having a Lucian mid on my team. He might win lane but then we have little c/c amd he's useless late.
He's also worthless against tanks compared to a mage
ban him and problem solved