Seriously, that Lucian is not ok

GripaAviara··17 votes·2,146 views

I keep seeing more and more people abusing Lucian mid. And is insane how good he is compared to freaking AP champs.

42 Comments

Chief Mayonnaise6 votes

He literally has a nerf on the pbe rn. And I don't think a 45% winrate is enough to call it "abuse".

GripaAviara1 votes

Yes it is, because someone goes vs an unstoppable lucian mid and they try to emulate

Chief Mayonnaise2 votes

So what you're saying is a niche playstyle is working for one tricks and not working for people just trying it out? Sounds fine to me. Why shouldn't lucian be allowed mid especially when it isn't a large number of people that's actually doing well with it?

Anu3isII6 votes

I only see how much they feed :P

Also, they ruin Teamcomps. An AD mid forces at least one Mage Top or Bot as a "Support". I can't stress out how bad it is, especially when they don't abuse their Early Game advantage, leading to a worse Corki later on.

Zed genius4 votes

he needs to be viable in some lane at least

Executioner2 votes

Certainly isn't viable bot. Gets fucking raped at the moment.

Zed genius1 votes

that's what I'm saying

PrinceOfStorms3 votes

The patch immediately following his pick midlane in a pro game, he should have been nerfed harder than Olaf was. That is to say, his winrate should have halved at the very least.

ADCs should never be allowed mid, under any circumstances, and any ADCs taken mid should be immediately gutted, then left in the trash heap for at least 1.5 seasons.

Iota Theta8 votes

There is nothing wrong with ADCs being able to go mid. Varus did it for a long time and midlane used to be his home a season or two ago. Classes should have that flexibility, but the problem lies when ADCs are able to fill every lane but no one else can. When an ADC is one of the better picks in midlane, while also being the class that is almost always dominant in botlane (outside instances like Ziggs and Morde), that's where the issue is.

But just him being able to go mid isn't a problem and is no reason to call for a gutting (there is almost 0 reason to call for the gutting of a champ). He might be strong and need some nerfs, like what is currently going on on the PBE, but him being there isn't the actual problem.

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

Varus mid was and is a joke. If an ADC mid or top actually becomes meta, it's because that ADC is busted.

Zero Skill Tank6 votes

Nonsense, he was played in every elo and at LCS/Worlds level with outcomes between good and great.

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

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Varus mid was and is a joke. If an ADC mid or top actually becomes meta, it's because that ADC is busted.

Xayah isn't busted and she's played mid more and more

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

I have yet to see Xayah mid...

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

If an ADC is picked in a solo lane, they're busted. No exceptions. Since marksmen are the only duo lane candidates, they should automatically lose solo lanes, to the point where being behind 50 CS and down 5 kills at 10 minutes is considered "okay"

Unironic SJW3 votes

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There is nothing wrong with ADCs being able to go mid. Varus did it for a long time and midlane used to be his home a season or two ago. Classes should have that flexibility, but the problem lies when ADCs are able to fill every lane but no one else can. When an ADC is one of the better picks in midlane, while also being the class that is almost always dominant in botlane (outside instances like Ziggs and Morde), that's where the issue is.

But just him being able to go mid isn't a problem and is no reason to call for a gutting (there is almost 0 reason to call for the gutting of a champ). He might be strong and need some nerfs, like what is currently going on on the PBE, but him being there isn't the actual problem.

Again, let me explain. ADCs are dominant at bot because they're the class that is screwed over the LEAST by spit exp. And by the nature of the map, you HAVE to have at least one duo lane. That's why you had to specifically design Morde to get full exp in that lane. ADCs go into other lanes when their ADC identity is compromised - Corki, Varus, Lucian, Graves were changed in various ways to play fundamentally differently from botlane ADCs.

Zero Skill Tank6 votes

People like you are why Riot started ignoring NA boards opinion when it comes to marksmen.

xToxicOsirisx3 votes

Maybe Riot started ignoring NA boards opinion when it comes to marksman because they know its biased as hell.

Executioner2 votes

All I can see is, him getting fucked by a burst mage.

Okuma1 votes

Yeah, he's strong in certain matchups, but weak in others.

Executioner1 votes

Yup.

Okuma2 votes

I hate him a lot tho. He's annoying asf early game with his passive and fervor.

Salron1 votes

Lucian is good into burst, bad into dps

Which is why his worst matchup is Cassiopeia

Blacephalon2 votes

Lucian mid is good early, but most mages/assassins hit big power spikes off their first item where lucians first item isnt to big whether its cleaver, shiv, ie, or shiv/pd. if you play safe till then and dont have any terrible positioning then you should be fine

Nut on my Butt2 votes

Nerf item 3155 this cancer

DaNinad2 votes

Yeah 45% win rate is not ok it's horrible

LankPants2 votes

But, muh winrate.

Serious though, Lucian mid is cancer and should never be allowed to exist.

Krys Star2 votes

Just last week, Meddler said he was fine mid. Obviously not, considering he's receiving nerfs on the pbe now. I feel like Riot don't know what they're talking about half the time lately, with their heads lost in the competitive scene.

Maleke1 votes

ADC mid used to be the meta. So viable.

I could envision some sort of adc mid, kill lane bot with the apc and a tank

Executioner1 votes

Same here.

PrinceOfStorms8 votes

mages botlane don't work because XP is split, and mages are more level reliant than marksmen.

Frightning1 votes

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mages botlane don't work because XP is split, and mages are more level reliant than marksmen.

The level thing, while relevant, isn't really a make or break difference, what does matter however, is synergy between the bot laner and their support. A damage dealing champion that has good synergy with a teammate around (examples include: Yasuo, Orianna, Mordekaiser) generally make excellent partners for meta support picks (which usually don't do much damage, but are good at protecting their teammate who does do damage). Sometimes you don't even need that much damage if other things make your duo strong (for example, Shen+Leona is actually an effect bot lane, especially against basic attack focused marksmen).

Wafflessssss1 votes

Winning lane doesn't equal winning game. The fuck is anyone gonna do with a shen bot.

Frightning1 votes

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Winning lane doesn't equal winning game. The fuck is anyone gonna do with a shen bot.

If your team composition as a whole has the right tools, it doesn't matter than Shen was bottom lane or not. It's an effective lane, and if your teamcomp is also solid, winning the game (from the position you end up in after laning phase) won't be any harder than if you'd played meta lanes.

Wafflessssss1 votes

So you're suggesting getting an entire team to change their meta simply to be effective with yours. Good luck.

Frightning1 votes

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So you're suggesting getting an entire team to change their meta simply to be effective with yours. Good luck.

If you have a Lucian mid (context of present thread), and enough magic damage (and damage in general) between top and jungle, then yes, Shen+Leona for bot lane is an entirely worthwhile choice, and in that situation actually fits your team composition very nicely.

Ahri Baka1 votes

It depends , tho he can't even kill me when I play Lux or Ahri , more like I get fed on him

Darkdemon6531 votes

He's getting nerfed in the next patch.

Vallalan1 votes

please stop. he's already being gutted more. 4 more seconds on his E cooldown which means until level 10 its gonna be VERY long.

he's pretty much trash in bot lane right now. Lucian is my favorite adc but they just keep nerfing him over and over.

Sad Tyrant1 votes

level 9

MAX IT FIRST FOR THE LULS

Athenes Lulu1 votes

at least mid lucian isn't a direct upgrade to his adc counterpart

all that sweet and dank peels from your support lucian mid wont be getting most of them

Rockem Sockm1 votes

I can't stand having a Lucian mid on my team. He might win lane but then we have little c/c amd he's useless late.

He's also worthless against tanks compared to a mage

Vigopl1 votes

ban him and problem solved

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