is brand a burst mage or a DoT mage or a teamfight mage?

Kanzaki Ranko·6/17/2018, 6:58:27 PM·34 votes·13,973 views

genuine question, not calling him OP or something

edit: or a poke mage? or a siege mage? or a battle mage? or a dps mage? a single target mage? zone control mage? support mage? 1v1 mage?

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ZackTheWaffleMan6/17/2018, 9:19:27 PM68 votes

yes

edit: >tfw your comment has more upvotes than the thread

Aimléss6/17/2018, 7:18:31 PM30 votes

Neither, he's a cancer mage.

420 grams6/17/2018, 7:00:20 PM17 votes

Team fighting burst mage

space newt6/17/2018, 9:17:56 PM7 votes

The answer is all of the above.

Giga Baboon6/17/2018, 8:33:46 PM6 votes

Brand hasn't been a dot mage since meddler turned him into a dedicated support with repetoir years ago. Brand is a teamfight mage who does burst.

KZ Engel6/18/2018, 3:00:50 AM4 votes

balls to the wall damage mage

Daddy Ants6/18/2018, 12:49:59 PM4 votes

Single target mage? [✔] AoE Mage? [✔]

Tank Buster? [✔]

Burst Mage? [✔] DoT Mage? [✔] Team fighting Mage? [✔] Zone Control Mage? [✔] Poke Mage? [✔]

Cancer to play against? [✔] Bullshit base damages? [✔] Bullshit Hitbox on Q? [✔]

Has no place as a Support? [✔] Needs to be forced back to Mid Lane where he belongs? [✔] Should get base numbers obliterated and ratios buffed so he requires gold to be useful? [✔]

If I didn't have to ban one of these shits MasterYi Kaisa Draven Lucian every game then I'd be perm banning Brand.

My Waifu Vanilla6/19/2018, 12:07:22 AM4 votes

He's a suicide mage like karthus because 9 times out of 10 he just blows his load, dies, and then kills everyone anyway with his ult and passive.

Barcid6/18/2018, 2:23:55 AM3 votes

Most people say "Yes", and that is the answer.

Brand is predictable and doesn't have a lot of protection besides damage, baby, damage. His Q at anything that isn't point-blank range is extremely easy to bait and dodge due to its relatively low travel speed, his W does meh damage unless you're already ablaze, and his R is about as impactful as passing wind in a tornado if it doesn't bounce. His passive tends to be most of his laning damage and it helps him to synergize with DoT items, but he can't stay a DoT mage because, again, no real protection and no escape whatsoever, so unless he had the ability to stay 1000 units back instead of having to get closer to enemies ever, he'd be blown up by the entire roster before his damage burned his enemies away.

As a result, his "protection" is to make whatever's standing in front of him fucking dead so long as he hits a full combo to its entirety. So unlike Cass who is a DoT mage through and through, Brand sits comfortably in a "burst mage" category with DoT tendencies that requires enemies be closer together to make the most of his abilities.

That is the "yes" answer explained out for you.

SammyDayspring6/18/2018, 8:14:22 PM2 votes

Yes.

It depends on the order in which you cast his spells. He can blow up one target, he can set multiple people ablaze for dps, or he can ult a team in a team fight - occasionally all three.

Malix Farwin6/17/2018, 7:21:33 PM2 votes

Category is Burst Mage.

Poske6/18/2018, 8:20:52 AM1 votes

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genuine question, not calling him OP or something

He is outclassed by syndra mage who is lucky enough to have item 3303 synergy

Vlada Cut6/18/2018, 9:03:08 AM1 votes

All 3 in mega-coffein packed coffeé. Mhm.

Kurt Hyzan6/18/2018, 10:25:15 AM1 votes

AoE burst mage

jocomotion6/18/2018, 11:42:37 AM1 votes

Take out single target, because he’s Brand, support, because he only goes bot lane to abuse his AOE, and 1v1, because he can be on his own but it’s sub-optimal.

He’s an tankbusting mage with below average single target burst when compared to mates like Veigar or Anivia and no mobility in exchange for pure, unfiltered, AOE damage. His DOT is there too, but it’s not that powerful unless you have a lot of health. (on squishy targets late game it’s like 100 magic damage over time)

Acheron166/18/2018, 8:12:32 PM1 votes

All of the above.

LordGeovanni6/19/2018, 12:01:05 AM1 votes

Is there a diffrence. I dont see any mage that isnt burst. And mage spells are up so often without losing damage for it alot of them have multiple instance damage that usually is just multiple procs of burst.

Sire Hippington6/19/2018, 12:14:40 AM1 votes

those things are not exactly mutually exclusive though. Only thing that theoretically excludes each other is dps vs burst, though thx to damage and cdr creep, the line between them is rather blury. Most of the meta mages can pop squishys while haveing rather high dps, just how adc at some point still beginn to burst squishys while haveing insane dps.

Bionic Avian6/19/2018, 1:13:59 AM1 votes

He's a burst mage with some DPS, but primarily AoE. He's also great at team fights and multi-target skirmishes. His early poke is also strong since it can chunk people out fast. He also has options to choose from once his passive is stacked up on someone, from stuns to bonus damage to AoE + Wave clear. Oh and he has gets mana back on minion kill.

Troll for Trump6/17/2018, 11:42:29 PM1 votes

Teamfight burst mage.

There's no such thing as a "DoT mage" just DPS/Battlemage

DPS: Ryze Azir Cassiopeia AurelionSol Heimerdinger Malzahar

Brand doesn't have that level of dps

TotalJerk6/18/2018, 12:04:27 AM1 votes

You see; during the days of the "mobility creep" hate train Riot was scratching their heads about what an immobile mage needs in order to totally shut down the complaints, and shit like Brand's current state along with a number of other champions resulted from it.

Jet Sett6/18/2018, 12:29:23 AM1 votes

Teamfighting isn't exclusive from damage dealing.

JRobin316/18/2018, 12:49:30 AM1 votes

"is brand a burst mage or a DoT mage or a teamfight mage?"

the answer to your question is 'yes'

DarkSoul19946/18/2018, 1:00:50 AM1 votes

Brand sits somewhere between a Burst Mage and a Battle Mage depending on how you build him. For example, if I saw a Brand with item 3020 item 3116 item 3151 item 3157 item 3285 item 3135 I'd feel more inclined to call him a Battle Mage because he has the ability to kite, he has reasonable amounts of sustained damage, and he is fairly beefy.

SociopathFriend6/18/2018, 1:25:00 AM1 votes

is brand a burst mage or a DoT mage or a teamfight mage?

He's a burst mage because all of his damage comes in one "burst" he does not have any spammable spells. He's a DoT mage because all of his spells offer a potent DoT damage part to them. He's a teamfight mage because two of his four abilities are AoE/multi-target and one of the non-AoE abilities can become a multi-target ability- and he can create more AoEs if his enemies cluster together. None of these terms must contradict each other- they can all be true.

Now what you pretty arguably cannot call Brand is a DPS mage like Cass, Karthus, or Azir. He has no method of reapplying his damage every given second like they do.

koshkyra6/18/2018, 2:02:36 AM1 votes

Pretty much all of them, he has literally all of those.

Burst? Yep, land a stun and then you just smack the rest of your combo onto them and they get instakilled from full hp.

DoT? Yep, 4 ways of dealing DoT to enemies and some of them are AoE.

Teamfight? Yep, two of his abilities are legit designed to spread to enemies, his passive is designed to punish grouped up enemies, and he has another AoE, plus a stun for assassins.

Zeppelins circus6/18/2018, 2:58:28 AM1 votes

It is like jungle graves all over again.

Titanium706/18/2018, 3:11:19 AM1 votes

Teamfight!

He has not the range nor the mobility for a burst playstyle and lacks durability for Dot playstyle. Additionally Brands DMG is not high enough to effectively burst someone- 100 to 20 is easy, but those 20 are hard.

That's why your laning is basicly nothing more than annoying people with W while sitting on EQ in case of engages. Get you Rylais, get your Ludens and than single handedly win TFs with an well timed R-E while aiming for priority targets with Q-W

Elkington VI6/18/2018, 8:02:46 AM1 votes

%max hp dot and burst gg

Builds Liandry's and can shred anyone save for Kass, Galio, and Mundo.