Wish we were back to the Cinderhulk meta instead of this "afk farm till sated"

metaworldpeace10·Aug 11, 2015·11 votes·696 views

League is stale when the game turns into a PvE farm fest. It happened with Feral Flare, it happened when devouer was first released and its happening again with Sated Devouer. At least during the Cinderhulk meta, there were tons of early level skirmishes and teamfights. Now? Everyone waits until their jungler gets sated and then we fight. It's a boring mechanic, it lacks interaction and the only form of "counterplay" is to sneak into the enemy jungle undetected and hope to RNjesus that you can clear a camp without being spotted by a ward and collapsed on by the enemy. I think its time that we try a new item for auto attack reliant junglers. Feral Flare was a huge failure in terms of improving healthy gameplay and Devourer is following in FF's footsteps.

6 Comments

A bad MalzaharAug 11, 20153 votes

Low elo problem imo....in my games the Devourer junglers gank as much as before...it just happens to be the case that champios like Yi, Shyvana are not strong gankers in general so their playstyle of objective controlled jungling didn't change at all. The Udyr's and Xin Zhao's still gank as much as before.

Zone of EndlessAug 12, 20152 votes

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Low elo problem imo....in my games the Devourer junglers gank as much as before...it just happens to be the case that champios like Yi, Shyvana are not strong gankers in general so their playstyle of objective controlled jungling didn't change at all. The Udyr's and Xin Zhao's still gank as much as before.

it is a low elo problem

You almost never see devourer jungler in diamond +

KarKzzAug 12, 20151 votes

Neither in ranked team. (Well, in silver 1 team, most player are gold- low diam anyway)

LadyRenlyAug 11, 20152 votes

If anything, I find that devourer actually encourages early game action, not by being enticed by the meta of "this is the correct way to play" but rather "this is way the enemy doesn't want you to play" so forcing it causes issues for the enemy jungle

SoMNiaAug 12, 20152 votes

AFK farming is a bad way to build Devourer stacks. Generating map pressure, grabbing kills/assists from mid and bot, and taking dragon and scuttlers will get you there faster. If anyone is just poking wolves with a stick for 20 minutes, they're doing it wrong.

Shadow GilgameshAug 12, 20151 votes

The problem is that other than the loss of ganking due to not ganking, there's not REALLY any downside to AFK farming till sated.

You can not see a Kayle for 25 minutes and then she emerges from the jungle and kills everyone in 3-4 autos except for your top lane tank as though she were up 5 or more kills.

If by the time you got sated by AFK farming it was weak it'd be one thing, but it's great when it hits sated, and only gets stronger the more items you get item 3153 , item 3091 , etc. so doing things sub-optimally doesn't lose people anything (until you get to really high ELO where not having a jungle for 20 minutes ACTUALLY means you lose the game regardless of how strong sated is because the other jungler got all the lanes fed)