Do we really think Azir is okay right now?

Succubús GF·Dec 26, 2017·20 votes·2,555 views

Like legitimately okay? I mean we have all seen the "I FACED FAKER" yt videos that have popped up recently And ofc hes playing azir. And I know he obviously needs a full update but like did you have to steadily buff him over time so he can be viable again? Just keep him garbage until he's balanced. Seriously his kit is the most abusable thing if you know what you're doing.

Almost like its stupid fucking bullshit that azir can spam his abilities almost for free considering his mana costs are among the MOST forgiving in mid lane

70 Comments

PhearBunnyDec 26, 201714 votes

There are a few champs that are overwhelmingly too strong, and its justified by "They are gated behind skill and mechanics". Azir is one of those champs, and I don't neccisarily think his skill requirements justify just how strong he is.

He is busted af.

SpecterVonBarenDec 27, 20176 votes

Gee... it's like a small range nerf did nothing to deal with his problems.

Teridax68Dec 27, 20171 votes

I have to agree with this. For all the fuss and apparent months of careful research, player feedback collection, etc., Azir's mini-rework mostly boils down to range nerfs and W damage buffs. It didn't really drastically change his playstyle, nor did it give him all that much extra counterplay, so while I do think it's an improvement from his previous state, it's not nearly as much of a step forward as was promised.

HyquiemDec 27, 20171 votes

Except there is a counter play it’s the same xerath play azir's e has cool down that limits his potential to duel you for 13 seconds in that you can get close to him and blow him up

Teridax68Dec 27, 20171 votes

I'm not sure Xerath is the best comparison to make, because Xerath is an immobile champion, whose E isn't great at close ranges, whereas Azir's E can still pull him out of dangerous situations. It's got a long cooldown, but in the meantime Azir also has a substantial amount of area denial and poke at his disposal. I'm not saying Azir lacks any counterplay at all, but he still has many of the issues he had prior to his changes, which didn't do as much to solve them as everyone had hoped.

HyquiemDec 29, 20171 votes

DO you people not understand what AOE is all you can abuse when you see him E is an aoe cc like ww's fear if it hits then the shuffle is messed up most low elo players are smarter then. They get in front of the azir not alow him to go but since it has azir’s way

SweedishGunnerDec 27, 20174 votes

They keep nerfing his late game and leaving his early game alone, it should be the other way round.

Weak early, strong late, that's how he's always been.

AhrisDec 27, 20172 votes

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They keep nerfing his late game and leaving his early game alone, it should be the other way round.

Weak early, strong late, that's how he's always been.

Riot wants late game to be decided by adcs. Similar to how burst mages cant burst late game.

HyquiemDec 27, 20172 votes

But he is the ap dps mage The mage that is ment to deal the ap damage

Handy Sandy Dec 27, 20174 votes

why tf does he have free as and the ability to get like 4 soldiers up on a fight, do you know how hard that is to escape and how easy it is to do as the azir player?

also whys he got such high ms for his mobility? most artillery mages only have high ms cause they got no escapes lmao

I say either go with the whole long range emperor and remove his dash and incease his defensive stuff like R or whatever, or just nerf his base damages to shit so im not doing 30% of someone's health with Q+AA+AA once i get a item 3108 he's not even a lategame champion anymore, you pick him when you wanna be safe in lane while bullying people with your literal no counterplay poke with less room for punishment than a zoe

HyquiemDec 27, 20172 votes

Obviously he’s ment to change the landscape of a fight so why not?

Handy Sandy Dec 27, 20172 votes

because it's a terrible design and doesn't fit his theme, he's supposed to be standing back and dishing out damage with soldiers or zoning people away, ulting to get someone out of his face but instead his defensive tool turns into an offensive one to create one of the worst combos in league which is the shurima shuffle (keep in mind he can after the end of his E to increase the shuffle range). This thing has almost no counterplay unless you have flash or some other dash up, so if you're immobile you can't get within a screen of him. And then he turns into the same problem Katarina had before her rework, he's either gonna kill everyone with it or he's gonna die instantly and do nothing.

also he's designed as a dps champion and has burst for some reason like wtf

HyquiemDec 29, 20171 votes

Wrong azir can be destroyed like your kassadin many Junglers don’t gank azir after he shuffled and missed If then there is tons of opportunities and there is a way to exploit the shurima shuffle but if I told you the weakness then every dude would abuse it

HyquiemDec 29, 20171 votes

The fact he is also a mage remains and dps what’s wrong with that it’s the fact there’s to many whining assasins that loved to kill adcs can’t beat azir so they want him to be trash like aatrox so it does fit his theme a mage dps champ funny how you compare him to katarina as she is his skill match up. Azir cannot go in and get a penta kill unlike her though 3soldiers yes but he has LIMITED range. But no nerf him to his grave correct no he deserves a proper change if so needed bring back his cc get rid of his w 3 solider thing but not the passive bring his old ult back if you want to revert the changes of course people would complain about a wall rapidly hurting them but he would deal rapid damage would he then? Point remains azir should not br brought down becuase when swains rework comes out and he dominates mid lane azir will be the only solution if you make him trash like Leblanc then consider the mid lane full of heavy hp mages or burst mages and no Unique champs.

Handy Sandy Dec 29, 20171 votes

Kassadin is literally his only counter in lane lmao and how is a jungler gonna gank him after he shuffled....Why would an azir try to shuffle someone in lane in the first place without vison on their jg? That's just bad as the player. He's not looking for kills anyway, even if he goes even he won lane because of his scaling. His power isn't all in the shuffle as well, he still has dumb poke in lane that's up every 8 seconds or so.

as a 675k azir onetrick i can say with confidence this guys overtuned

HyquiemDec 30, 20171 votes

He is over tuned the old version was fine. But even when an azir has vision the jungler. Can be top side or something, and azir sees his laner low goes in for a combo and next you know he misses and the jungler is a rengar who ultis and jumps in him. But scaling that is true, it is quite wrong but in mists of something like azir vs kassadin who can just scale it isn’t so overtuned. The fact riot didn’t remove his shuffle for a new ability is sad. But if you don’t know azir’s past history of when he had a knock up on e and his passive with the cool down reduction was when he didn’t scale. Becuase CDR doesn’t come freely with scaling. So if he was overtuned now then why would they remove his old features as they stoped the scaling. If he’s overtuned what do you want him to be a burst mage? Or a assasin?A heimer type champion with no mobility? In my eyes he’s in quite the state thier is counter play a champ with item 3056 this can or a jungler with this can easily kick him out of tower range to his team and he is dead

LordGeovanniDec 27, 20173 votes

azir needs damage to keep up with current damage but here is a wild idea how about we dont let him keep up with current damage and lower current damage.

Meep ManDec 27, 20171 votes

Thats not at all why he is strong though. His damage is pretty consistent with the typical DPS Mage, even before the changes it was. The main part of his kit that makes him strong is his flexibility. He is a long range Mage with a long range dash along with self-peel that can double as an initiation. He just has so much going for him. A lot of the kits that people call "over-stuffed" aren't usually over-stuffed as the champion still has one game plan. Azir has multiple ones, sometimes at the same time.

SpecterVonBarenDec 27, 20171 votes

They should have gone the other way with his mini-rework and made him low mobility and high range rather than doubling down on him having good general strengths.

HyquiemDec 27, 20171 votes

I agree

DivewingDec 27, 20171 votes

I disagree.

That would simply make him another re-skin of the following; Lux Velkoz Xerath Ziggs , and to a lesser extent; Ezreal Nidalee Varus Viktor Zyra

HyquiemDec 29, 20171 votes

The other way removed his dash but it was the possibility and opening of a unique cc or a different way to use soliders maybe opening the extent of changing their Spears to shields so no he wouldn’t be any of those but even more unique giving him an extra attack speed buff and Kiling the ult was bad he would be easy or harder to understand but even more rewarding to master if his E was changed

HyquiemDec 27, 20171 votes

Long range what do you know how much small the arrow for q looks

SwiftKitten88Dec 27, 20173 votes

well, yeah i think he is "OK"

i may hate his kit... but like azir mains i KNOW what its like to have less than a 42% winrate for an exceeding long period of time (although i only had to deal with it for 6-9 months on Nidalee .. Azir mains had it for nearly a year)

and honestly with the change to his freaking BS wall now FINALLY being passable.

i feel he is "acceptable"

yeah in the hands of a master he is broken... but not everyone can shurima shuffle..

infact i dont think i have ever had to face a player who could could pull it off more than once in a game..

so yeah.. he is kinda like Kayle now, lategame is is goign to be a unstoppable monster.. but at least it takes him a while to get there now..

believe me i think his kit is horribly designed, but the WORST part was his ulti being impassible the entire time.. and they fixed that... (sure as hell took them long enough though.. i suggested that in season 4... shouldn't bloody take then 3 years for them to TRY it internally.. and no, i wasn't REMOTELY the only person suggesting that)

but at least we finally got it...)

HyquiemDec 27, 20171 votes

Though a shurima shuffle is not what the skill cap is for... in contrast the fact of solider positioning the ult eh it only lasts for 3 seconds now I had a low winrate on that champ and now it’s something big.

hhaavviikkDec 27, 20173 votes

he has the damage of an ADC but with way more safety, yeah that does seem like a bad combination...

SweedishGunnerDec 28, 20171 votes

No life steal, no crit, mobility linked to two spell casts, he has plenty of weaknesses compared to ADC's.

HyquiemDec 29, 20171 votes

Exactly it’s just the fact he counters almost every assasin in the game while you can put portobello on him and make him one

hhaavviikkDec 29, 20171 votes

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No life steal, no crit, mobility linked to two spell casts, he has plenty of weaknesses compared to ADC's.

that's the thing, his damage is near comparable to ADC's without crit, his soldiers are basically a form of crit, 1 soldier deals 0.6 damage, 2 soldiers deal 1.2 damage, 3 soldiers deal 1.8 damage so it might as well be crit.

and? all mobility are linked to spellcasts...

Alcaponefan1Dec 27, 20172 votes

"Just keep him garbage until he's balanced."

PoskeDec 27, 20172 votes

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Like legitimately okay? I mean we have all seen the "I FACED FAKER" yt videos that have popped up recently And ofc hes playing azir. And I know he obviously needs a full update but like did you have to steadily buff him over time so he can be viable again? Just keep him garbage until he's balanced. Seriously his kit is the most abusable thing if you know what you're doing.

Almost like its stupid fucking bullshit that azir can spam his abilities almost for free considering his mana costs are among the MOST forgiving in mid lane

You do realise Azir has been consistently getting nerfs after rework?

They nerfed everything about azir, he gained guranteed shield and 50% higher damage on avg which broke him

Once they are done reducing his damage he ll be in a worse spot pre rework

He is curently silver tier champion according to lolalytics. If anything his current state seems UP for me

Succubús GFDec 27, 20171 votes

That's why faker abuses him.. lolk

He is curently silver tier champion according to lolalytics. If anything his current state seems UP for me

So he should not have been buffed at all, he should stay trash until his update. Need an example? Aatrox

PoskeDec 27, 20172 votes

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That's why faker abuses him.. lolk

So he should not have been buffed at all, he should stay trash until his update. Need an example?

Faker Azir is incredibly subpar But whatever floats your boat

Just because you saw some Faker Azir gameplay right before azir got nerfed doesnt justify begging for nerfs on an already weak champion, Find me faker Abusing (playing - he cant abuse him) this patch I Dare you

Succubús GFDec 27, 20171 votes

deadass if you put faker azir on yt that shit is not even two days old. Also didn't he pop in pokimanes game?The fact that he is played high elo at all kinda disproves your point. You know damn well if they buff ryze hed be broken. And yet his wr is low, why is that? Because people generally don't know how to play him well low elo

NA ALONE, highest pick rate this patch bye http://na.op.gg/champion/azir/statistics/mid

PoskeDec 27, 20171 votes

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deadass if you put faker azir on yt that shit is not even two days old. Also didn't he pop in pokimanes game?The fact that he is played high elo at all kinda disproves your point. You know damn well if they buff ryze hed be broken. And yet his wr is low, why is that? Because people generally don't know how to play him well low elo

NA ALONE, highest pick rate this patch bye http://na.op.gg/champion/azir/statistics/mid

My Bad I guess he is still top tier then

Thing is Azir rework was 2/10

Riot assumed Azir mains want more damage and they pigeon holed him into a hypercarry role. WHY COULDNT WE HAVE MORE UTILITY
They never actually tried to balance Azir just check the patch notes.. They imedieatly decided that he needs a rework which is absurd

As far as the changes go as an Azir main they Pain me

-His W has higher initial range which only creates more counterplay issues -His WQ doesnt move q more then 50 range which gives me eye cancer -His W has high aoe to the point where it is toxic to melee champions

So as you can see his range wasnt per say nerfed. his max range was reduced, But his initial W range and zone range was increased
All the above what I just said MAKES HIM FEEL INCREDIBLY FUCKING CLUNKY

I remember back in a day I was surprised by how smart the idea of reducing his W range and increasing his Q range was. How much more smoother and more fair he become but they took 180degree turn on this

-His R lost the unique part of countering dashes yet 80% of dashes ignore it (AAT being newest one) -HIS W gained Consistently higher damage. Attackspeed runes nullified the recent nerfs I suppose

There is this whole 3 soldier gimmick which I despise
I have mixed feelings on his Instant shield (I hate kassadin for gaining that ability) it does feel more fair on Azir

Overall the rework had 1238129031830 bad changes the only good change is lowered piercing damage on his W (good spot to take power away)

As soon as his damage gets nerfed further

Lets just say the boards ll be flooded with Azir mains disfatisfaction

NO AZIR MAIN IS CURENTLY COMPLAINING Due to his damage being high

Tzuyu Is My BiasDec 28, 20171 votes

Just 2 things to say.

NO, no more utility to Azir since he had so much already in the form of a long dash, slows, aoe knockup, his turrets. No idea if he has that shield anymore but I hope not. He had too much utility.

His champion design already is bad. While being very cool, unique, thematic and innovative, his gameplay design was already painfully toxic to melee since the beginning. He just needs a complete update if he would be made balanced and not toxic for melee but that would just change the whole champion which is something Riot is not gonna do in a veeeeeeeery long time.

Void Baboon RFDec 27, 20172 votes

Azir is quite possibly the worst designed champion in the entire game. He's a top tier mage mage (so he has CC, range, zone control, wave clear), but has the dps of an ADC (possibly more because, again, it's AoE, and AP is naturally harder to mitigate for non tanks), but for some reason he also has incredible self peel and is of the most, if not the most, mobile mage in the game.

What The Fuck Was Riot Thinking

Bonus points because the "rework" addressed literally none of these issues. They just made him easier to play. Woah, thx Riot.

HyquiemDec 27, 20171 votes

Like kat can get 3 kill delete adc azir is fair in this then so no nerfs needed when kat can proc electrocute 1000 times

Void Baboon RFDec 27, 20171 votes

I never said kat was well designed.

AirKingNeoDec 27, 20172 votes

He's literally Kayle, but stronger and more steps.

"But Azir's skillcap!"

You shouldn't autowin games because you learned a champion.

HyquiemDec 27, 20172 votes

And you don’t

LauchmelderDec 27, 20172 votes

"KeEp HiS aBiLiTiEs ThE sAmE, AzIr ShOuLd Be BaLaNcEd ArOuNd HiS sHuRiMa ShUfFlE!" - r/azirmains and a part of boards, 2k17

The 'rework' isn't even done yet. They forgot to change his title to:

Azir The walking Gimmick of Shurima

They should've just taken option B with his new E. Keeping his shuffle AND buffing him was a mistake.

PoskeDec 27, 20171 votes

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"KeEp HiS aBiLiTiEs ThE sAmE, AzIr ShOuLd Be BaLaNcEd ArOuNd HiS sHuRiMa ShUfFlE!" - r/azirmains and a part of boards, 2k17

The 'rework' isn't even done yet. They forgot to change his title to:

Azir The walking Gimmick of Shurima

They should've just taken option B with his new E. Keeping his shuffle AND buffing him was a mistake.

Or rIot ShouLDnt HavE pIgEon hOlEd HiM iNtO ViaBIlItY By BuFfING hIS DaMaGe

THERE WERE OTHER FKIGN WAYS BUT THEY ARE BLIND NO AZIR MAIN ASKED FOR AZIR TO BE A HYPERCARRY

LauchmelderDec 27, 20171 votes

I like him being a lategame hypercarry (being a long range DPS mage that is).

I don't like the so called rework. "I am the Emperor of Shurima, let me dash into an enemy to get another soldier which gives my soldiers more attack speed." That's totally what emperors do.

DivewingDec 27, 20171 votes

"Long range DPS mage"

Azir, ~~Emperor~~ Bitch-baby of the Sands

HyquiemDec 29, 20171 votes

well assasin main to bad you can’t delete this APC

DivewingDec 30, 20171 votes

I main Azir >_>

DoozkuDec 27, 20172 votes

Riot's excuse was that hyper range Azir had low counterplay. Look at a champ like xerath, ziggs or vel'koz and note how their whole kit is a bunch of skillshots. Azir's only skillshot is his Q and even then if he gets it near you he can still hit you with the soldier. Also that ult would have to go too because it would make him way too safe.

LauchmelderDec 27, 20171 votes

Even if they'd rework both his E and his ult it would be better than this bullshit.

HyquiemDec 29, 20171 votes

I AGREE it would be way better then what we have now