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Should Muramana be reworked into the opposite of the new Spear of Shojin?

xxxMadLionxxx·May 21, 2018·7 votes·4,687 views

Allowing muramana to do 30% of its onhit damage per tick for AOE and damage over time spells would make the item much more appealing to a lot of champs. AD casters especially since a lot of single target spells have been removed from the game with each rework. Single target spells have become outdated in terms of muramana.

+25 attack damage +1650 mana Passive UNIQUE – AWE: Grants bonus attack damage equal to 3% maximum mana. Refunds 15% of mana spent. UNIQUE – SHOCK: Basic attacks and single targeted abilities against champions (on-hit) consume 3% current mana to deal 6% current mana bonus physical damage.

Additionally, AOE and damage over time spells do 30% of shock damage per tick.

This effect only activates while you have greater than 20% maximum mana.

Also increase the cost of to 3200 and have it stack 8 mana per spell just like so I don't have to wait 12-24 minutes to stack it.

This way, not just will build it.

What do you guys think?

10 Comments

C9 Squeeky May 21, 20182 votes

Which champions do you see buying this? I feel like the reason no one else buys it is because they don't need the mana and/or can't stack tear effectively. There are also Essence Reaver (reworked next patch) and Triforce. The only reason Ezreal can abuse it is because his Q is long range on-hit. GP Q is similar but much shorter range and targeted.

xxxMadLionxxxMay 21, 20182 votes

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Which champions do you see buying this? I feel like the reason no one else buys it is because they don't need the mana and/or can't stack tear effectively. There are also Essence Reaver (reworked next patch) and Triforce. The only reason Ezreal can abuse it is because his Q is long range on-hit. GP Q is similar but much shorter range and targeted.

The item would chareg faster. You would be able to stack it within 7mins and the amount of Ad it give would be more. About 100 or more Ad. it would go well with ad caster who have dot spells like Lucian MissFortune Corki Gangplank .

ScuffproofMay 21, 20181 votes

While I'm in support of making Muramana more appealing to AD Casters, I don't think it should interact with DoTs like that, otherwise we'll get a Liandry's Torment situation again where it sucks on regular AD Casters but at the same time is completely nuts and mandatory on champions with DoTs. Making Muramana the AD equivalent of Luden's Echo for example would be pretty cool I think, but that's just an idea from me.

HäxelMay 21, 20181 votes

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The item would chareg faster. You would be able to stack it within 7mins and the amount of Ad it give would be more. About 100 or more Ad. it would go well with ad caster who have dot spells like .

well the first 3 don't need that much mana or would work quite fine with er, especialy the new one in 8.11. And Gp does not need mana at all. He can go klepto and even spawn manareg potions but he enarly has no mana costs. and gp works better with lethalaty, crit or a mix of both (hard to see if crit gp will stille xist in 8.11 with the rework of infintiy edge).

TwinkieProMay 21, 20181 votes

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well the first 3 don't need that much mana or would work quite fine with er, especialy the new one in 8.11. And Gp does not need mana at all. He can go klepto and even spawn manareg potions but he enarly has no mana costs. and gp works better with lethalaty, crit or a mix of both (hard to see if crit gp will stille xist in 8.11 with the rework of infintiy edge).

I think Crit gp will flourish with the new stormrazor giving a free crit every 3 seconds.

HäxelMay 22, 20181 votes

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I think Crit gp will flourish with the new stormrazor giving a free crit every 3 seconds.

well stormrazors as item on gp can be good. But its dmg also scales with critchance. The question is if other crititems he will gather. problem is stormrazor self gives no crit. And infinity edge also gives no crit, it just doubles what you got probably from zealitems. And infinity edge no longer icnreases critdmg by 50%, jsut changing 20% of critdmg into truedmg and that is not quite as strong. But for this gprealy need the statiks. And how will his buildorder be? trintiy, stormrazors, statiks, infinity?

Acheron16May 21, 20181 votes

Doesn't really solve anything.

Very few champions even use Muramana, even less have physical damage DOTs or AoEs (only Talon for DoT and Jayce or Ganplank barrels for AoE)

ScuffproofMay 21, 20181 votes

I agree, Muramana as an item has some kind of identity crisis right now (and always had tbh): it does on-hit damage but the high Mana pool it provides is mostly useful on caster champions that usually can't properly utilize the on-hit damage (with Ezreal and Jayce as the only exceptions).

Another flaw of Muramana is its inconsistency though: its damage is completely tied to the current size of your Mana pool. Other single target on-hit items like BotRK work just fine and can even be multi-target thanks to Runaan's being a thing but combining Muramana with that item is not practical due to how fast it drains your Mana. So yeah, the item is trying to accomplish two very different things at the same time and fails at both of them. Muramana should be on the priority list of items in need of a rework.

ZullarMay 21, 20181 votes

Don't change muramana. I use it for fun builds and I don't want to see it nerfed just because pro's started using it on Ez.

TwinkieProMay 22, 20181 votes

Stormrazor lowers its passive cooldown based on attack speed. while the crits themselves do reduced damage, it's still a significant buff to crit GP.

The main reason is that he only needs stormrazor as his only crit item and can build whatever else he needs. If you think of it like a 160% damage amp rather than a crit item, it's damn good. I don't see the need to build IE ever for GP now. he already has a 40% armor pen on his E which would make the 15% true damage equal to ~8. just skip it and go for other items.

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