abyssal mask veigar in lcs going 4/1/0
and then the boards complain about mages having no defensive itemization
lul
and then the boards complain about mages having no defensive itemization
lul
I agree with you but Veig isn’t exactly the best example due to his scaling.
Other non-battle mages would be giving up AP stats (yes I know about the item’s passive) in order to build it.
if you aren't a battle mage though, then wouldn't you be given the necessary range/cc in your champs kit to protect yourself regardless?
and if you are an ap assassin, then first of all you have like haunting guise n protobelt which come with inherent health stats which are core but also you have mobility too?
To be fair The boards complain about every fucking thing and they only real majority agreement is negativity. Its not a overly productive or constructive environment we have chosen to build over the years. Most folks seem to downvote if they disagree not because it was a bad post, most folks upvote when something shares their opinion even if its a bad post. Then again that's just online community's for ya, Halo forums suffered same issues and OW got fairly toxic attitudes as well. Hiveworkshop and some Wc3 custom game boards where alright but many of them where on a small scale and did not attract folks other then those who loved the maps.
These boards seem like a difficult place to post anything positive about ADCs. It feels like everyone hates them.
3 champions can build abyssal mask in mid while not being trolls
Ryze, Veigar and cass
There are like 40 midlaners 7.5% of mids can get that...
Everyone can get banshee altough its buildpath is bad. But yeah if you back with 3k gold and want defense get it
Zhonya is easly the most overated item in game judging by how much I saw Boards praise it
Around 15% mids (I AM BEING extremly generous wiht this 15%) can get zhonya and no resourcless mage can rush it
Rod is another item for 2-3 champs which makes you tanky only later on same with Seraph Guise is somethign we are forced to get when we back with 1500-2400 gold so yeah you ll see that 300 hp mighty lyandri
Rylai is extremly bad item
Why can only 15% of Mids get Zhonya's? I'm pretty sure almost every AP Mid can build Zhonya's and profit from it.
every ap mid can, he just doesnt value his health bar.
And this is why I called it overated
It is just bad idk how to explain. Builds out of way to many items, Lil offense, only 45 armor
In a nutshell unless your champion has zhonya synergy it is bad buy
This wasnt the case many years ago
Sure you can build it on Vladimir, Kennen, Rumble, Swain, (this are more of toplaners)
But for example Zhonya on Ori, Syndra, Tali, TF, Anivia, Ahri, Akali, Le blanc, Annie, Aurelion, Brand, Cass, ryze, Xerath, Ziggs, Veigar, Malza is bad (since recently)
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All of these champs make good use of mask.
Banshee's build path is fine you have
. Each of these can be bought in parts or for at most 850 gold INCLUDING the combine cost. Aside from that if you WANT defense, you should be willing to sacrifice some amount of offense. The shield is good for surviving all ins vs a plethora of burst mages and assassins.
Zhonya is a staple item that scales exponentially with how good you are as a player. Kind of like Move speed.
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. Every single one of these champions makes great use of it.
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I'll let you make an argument that a number of these champs (in particular the predominantly top lane champs) shouldn't be counted as "mid lane" but these items still see a large number of play across multiple roles and champions. They don't see play on EVERY mid laner, but isn't that the whole point of having a wide slew of options? Item diversity to fit the situation you need?
If I'm against a comp like
You can bet your ass as a mid laner I'm picking up some MR and tank items like Rylais + Liandrys, Mask, or Banshees.
...no, the roster of AP champions that can use Abyssal mask is not limited to three champions.
Any magic damage champion who wants to be within 700 range of the enemy team can buy abyssal mask.

These champions can all buy it situationally. Even artillery champions can use it for the durability in a pinch.
The only magic damage champion I would never build it on is 
waste the mana, making it less efficient, but that durability combined with 10% damage amp is good on these champs.
doesn't give a damn, since 10% of his obscene damage output is high enough to make up for that loss.
can buy
can buy 
Doesn't fit the circlejerk, didn't happen.
Cass can do the same thing.
Idk whats worse, mask itself or the fact cass/veigar/ryze can rush a tank item and still 100-0 you.
Mage mains are all way too victim-status.
Like, out of all the roles and classes feeling marginalized in League atm, mages should NOT be one of them.
You could go mask, zhonya, and banshee and pretty much be unkillable. Who says they don't have defensive options?
the entire boards
also don't forget HP AP items
Gotta have that AP QSS item bro. Don’t you know that without immunity to DPS and CC, mages will forever be too weak?

I am now the front line. Sure you sacrifice damage, but you get so much sustainability in a fight that you can put out equal if not MORE damage.
The only people who should be building pure AP are people who have super long range keeping them out of the fight, and people with absolutely ludicrous AP scalings.
Are you trying to be funny ?
I mean veigar is like the only ap mage able to get away with building that item, this is a horrible example
ryze kassawin cass
ok bro
Veigar is cancer and needs a rework.
I think you have some problems with understanding that veigar can get away with this cause he gets AP from stacking. So he doesn't sacrifice damage for tankyness at all.