Can we please do something with the absurd amount of CC in this game?

HateDaddy··2 votes·621 views

And how there's little a melee can do about being chain CC'd with minimal effort. In the past it actually cost a team precious resources to lock a target in place, giving many melee champions an impactful feeling. If you managed to force their cc on you, you've opened the door for your team. Now it takes so little to perma cc one target that it feels like a foregone conclusion rather than actual gameplay and that makes playing melee champions feel like utter shit. Tenacity feels worthless, which is why everyone just builds tabis to survive ADCs better. Swifties were good for slows and still are but the amount of hard cc and movement impairing abilities are so ever present that it doesn't matter anyway.

"But HateDaddy cc is he counter to mobility!!" CC is literally the counter to everything in this game with the exception of an ultra Olaf. That also doesn't justify the absurd oversaturation of CC in this game on all damage type champions and how easy it is to perma cc targets, specifically melee champions as I've alluded to. Why do you think non tank top laners want to split all the time? Because they know teamfighting is pointless, they're just going to die doing nothing. Their only hope is flanking and that requires a lot of elements of gameplay that is outside of their control. And that requires that your team actually follow up ob your flank in the first place.

That's also the reason why people look to abuse tank builds. It's because sure, many of these "tank builds" like Yasuo, Ekko, Yi, Fizz and many others can one shot squishies with damage builds but they also die very quickly themselves often doing nothing. Obviously you still see cases where these champions are played glass but they very rarely 5v5, rather they look for picks and skirmishes and that's fine - that's what their counterplay is supposed to be. But again, with less mobile and slippery champions and even he above mentioned slippery champions, it's so absurd how little effort it takes to perma lock a target.

"But Fizz and ekko and yasuo cc counters them!!!" And taking away that overabundance of cc is not going to make them overpowered suddenly and if it does, fucking nerf them. I'm just so tired of how worthless I feel on non tank melee champions because I can't 5v5 Zerg and ignore damage dealers for 5+ seconds. I have one win condition while tanks have numerous win conditions but that's not the fault of tanks - it's the fault of the stupid amount of cc and the inability to do much about it short of a few items that typically don't help melee champions at all.

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Warhammer Titan2 votes

Yes you can perma cc one target, but that gives your team an opening to get shit done. Cc is fine

HateDaddy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EqgbMj9M,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-02T00:00:55.461+0000)

Yes you can perma cc one target, but that gives your team an opening to get shit done. Cc is fine

No it doesn't because it requires almost nothing to do it. A fucking karma can make your melee champion non existent by herself. And that would be fine if she was part of a smal exclusive champion pool that could do that but that champion pool includes half the roster. CC like this used to be reserved on long cooldowns or for ultimate abilities because that kind of CC is absurdly powerful. It's done nothing but make the game anti-melee to the point where you can only function if you're super slippery, a tank or can build full tank.

Warhammer Titan2 votes

A karma can run up to you and w you, but your team can also cc her? Both teams have cc, you just need to learn how to play around it

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

This game has insane amounts of AoE CC.

HateDaddy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EqgbMj9M,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-02T00:07:32.074+0000)

A karma can run up to you and w you, but your team can also cc her? Both teams have cc, you just need to learn how to play around it

Why would karma run up to a melee champion? Lmao

Please read the OP before commenting. You'd realize that I'm referring to how crippling it is to melee champions.

Warhammer Titan2 votes

Your the only person to complain about something thats been in this game forever, its not broken you just need to learn how to play around it. Im suprised someone your rank would be complaining about cc when everyone has it

HateDaddy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EqgbMj9M,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-06-02T00:12:06.064+0000)

Your the only person to complain about something thats been in this game forever, its not broken you just need to learn how to play around it. Im suprised someone your rank would be complaining about cc when everyone has it

Please learn how to read and stop commenting until you do. The amount of cc in this game now far surpasses what it used to have. This is my complaint, not that cc exists in the first place. And let's not drag rank into this, I really don't enjoy pissing contests.

Slack King1 votes

My only issue is the lack of counter knockups. Other than that a chunk of CC is dodge able. Some isnt, but that didnt exist Katarina MasterYi would be unstoppable.

If youre getting locked down by an entire team, then something with your position is very wrong.

HateDaddy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Slack King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EqgbMj9M,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-06-02T00:09:53.138+0000)

My only issue is the lack of counter knockups. Other than that a chunk of CC is dodge able. Some isnt, but that didnt exist Katarina MasterYi would be unstoppable.

I didn't say get rid of hard cc. Stop exaggerating my claims.

If youre getting locked down by an entire team, then something with your position is very wrong.

I'm not getting locked down by an entire team, I very easily get locked down by one person. Please stop telling me how to play the game on the champions I have years of experience on. I'm coming from a place of knowledge and experience and how that experience has gotten significantly shittier due to all the cc that is presently available. Melee champions, specifically fighters, have such little control of what happens in fights because they have to get in the middle of things. But when all it takes is a karma or a braum Q/passive proc to lock me down and blow me up, then there's no reason to play that champion. That's why shit like Darius doesn't get played in pro play at all even though people QQ about him in solo que. because it's easy as shit to disable him and never worry about him again.

Slack King1 votes

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I didn't say get rid of hard cc. Stop exaggerating my claims.

I'm not getting locked down by an entire team, I very easily get locked down by one person. Please stop telling me how to play the game on the champions I have years of experience on. I'm coming from a place of knowledge and experience and how that experience has gotten significantly shittier due to all the cc that is presently available. Melee champions, specifically fighters, have such little control of what happens in fights because they have to get in the middle of things. But when all it takes is a karma or a braum Q/passive proc to lock me down and blow me up, then there's no reason to play that champion. That's why shit like Darius doesn't get played in pro play at all even though people QQ about him in solo que. because it's easy as shit to disable him and never worry about him again.

Youre right what would I know about CC as I am a Mordekaiser main.

Youre not playing in the pro scene. Youre D5, and I know I dont have room to talk; but I believe there is a higher skill gap in d5-d1, than there is from B5 to D5. There are plenty of people ranked higher than you, that have success with fighters.

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/darius Plenty of high ranked people with plenty of darius games. Jax same- http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/jax

HateDaddy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Slack King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EqgbMj9M,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-06-02T00:22:46.491+0000)

Youre right what would I know about CC as I am a Mordekaiser main.

Youre not playing in the pro scene. Youre D5, and I know I dont have room to talk; but I believe there is a higher skill gap in d5-d1, than there is from B5 to D5. There are plenty of people ranked higher than you, that have success with fighters.

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/darius Plenty of high ranked people with plenty of darius games. Jax same- http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/jax

I didn't say I wasn't successful. I just hate what's required of me to be successful.

NGNL Asian1 votes

Builds mercs->gets shit on by aa champs Builds tabis->gets cc to death.

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