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@Riot, Yasuo the master of crit has 44% win rate

D357R0Y3R··6 votes·1,982 views

your patch was not good number wise the ideas were good, the numbers were not

Crit has been overnerfed, all of its users who directly scale with it (xayah's E) are all sub 46% win rate

Essence reaver is a disgusting design, mana sustain is too weak, the essence flare is so gimick because it's fucking conditionned by your ult Ruler played lucian, tried it a couple of times then stopped building it and just rushed bork+dominik+PD

https://i.gyazo.com/2a4b0814d0013454377a5f2e13e2a817.png

ezreal is broken, guinsoo was untouched, kai sa needs to be zoe'ed

DO NOT COMPENSATE YASUO OR XAYAH all they will do is after receiving their buff, build something else than crit and be overbearing

change essence reaver from missing mana to maximum mana reduce IE cost from 3700 to 3600 NERF THE SHIT OUT OF GUINSOO on ranged champions nerf ezreal directly or indirectly by making tear items unable to be stacked nerf kai sa, 20% pick rate 68% ban rate 54% win rate, she's on release zoe lvl of stupidity. Remember when you gutted zoe and said "we will fix her later"? kai sa needs the same right now.

another thing: lack of sustain buffed too many champions

https://i.gyazo.com/424767542cd14e851307975dfc777681.png

item 3303 tribute bonus damage should be removed, the poke bot lane is just too high right now

23 Comments

Press Q Win6 votes

People don't adjust their build yet. Give it time. For my part, as a Ashe main this crit change make me happy because now i feel like i do damage next to other Adc. Her passive add more damage, damage that other ADC lost from IE change and 100% crit is now easier than before, you only need 3 crit item instead of 4!

D357R0Y3R2 votes

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Her passive add more damage, damage that other ADC lost from IE change and 100% crit is now easier than before, you only need 3 crit item instead of 4!

what? Ashe also used to get damage from IE on her passive, so she also lost damage

Also you don't build 100% crit chance on Ashe, you build her like Ruler built her before crit buffs item 3153 item 3071
which is the sole reason her win rate didn't drop, because she can use something else than crit

cait can't xayah can't vayne can't (bork is not as good as Crit combined with ult bonus ad and Q)

Press Q Win1 votes

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what? Ashe also used to get damage from IE on her passive, so she also lost damage

Also you don't build 100% crit chance on Ashe, you build her like Ruler built her before crit buffs item 3153 item 3071
which is the sole reason her win rate didn't drop, because she can use something else than crit

cait can't xayah can't vayne can't (bork is not as good as Crit combined with ult bonus ad and Q)

Crit is still the way to play Ashe . You just don't have mana regen from ER but it work even better than before for me . item 3153 item 3046 item 3006 item 3031 item 3085 and last item is situational, item 3026 against fed AD assassin, item 3036 for tank shred, item 3156 for fed AP assassin/mage and item 3071 all arround item, health, AD, CDR, and phage passive. I run PtA, Triumph, Alacrity, coup de grace with either celerity with gathering storm or transcendance instead of celerity for more cdr late game combined with BC.

D357R0Y3R2 votes

i prefer to play like how a korean challenger adc plays

Press Q Win1 votes

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what? Ashe also used to get damage from IE on her passive, so she also lost damage

Also you don't build 100% crit chance on Ashe, you build her like Ruler built her before crit buffs item 3153 item 3071
which is the sole reason her win rate didn't drop, because she can use something else than crit

cait can't xayah can't vayne can't (bork is not as good as Crit combined with ult bonus ad and Q)

Her passive add bonus damage based on how much crit chance she have. Now that IE passive is gone, only her get bonus % damage over 200% from IE .

D357R0Y3R1 votes

??? she had 260% bonus damage before with IE, while other adcs had 250% she still had more %bonus damage

and she sucked because her first attack couldn't crit, which made her poke AND her burst lower than other adcs and before you tell me "her W poked" her W didn't do more damage than an RFC+SHIV+crit hit from cait

Spicy Rice1 votes

I mean, for yasuo, a lot of his kit is based around getting 100% crit + the amp damage from i.e.

In the current patch, he cannot get his items as quickly, delaying his power spike, as well as his power spike being lack luster due to his best keystone being conqueror

Press Q Win1 votes

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I mean, for yasuo, a lot of his kit is based around getting 100% crit + the amp damage from i.e.

In the current patch, he cannot get his items as quickly, delaying his power spike, as well as his power spike being lack luster due to his best keystone being conqueror

Well they only need to remove his double crit passive since it's basically added on IE, also conqueror with IE do 32% true damage instead of 20%. It's better to tank shred mixed with his armor pen he get on his ultimate. Also Yasuo only requiring 2 crit item was never intended. He remain a crit carry and should be threated like one. For 100% crit he need to buy a second zeal wich is going to be PD, IE and Shiv. You now get ranged harass against ranged matchup paired with damage reduction. We all have increase in price and Yasuo is no exception. We all got to adapt.

Khristophoros5 votes

Regarding Ez: Why not just delete Manamune/Muramana or rework it? He's literally the only champ that builds it.

Oleandervine4 votes

The patch has been live for what, a day now? I severely doubt you have any conclusive data from a day's worth of activity. Give it a week or two and then come back with what's wrong with the patch.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/grid/

lolalytic has a size of 2 million games right now, which is enough to have any conclusions

Oleandervine1 votes

As compared to only 2 millions games that gave up Yasuo's latest winrates in the previous patch? How many games did the last patch evaluate to get Yasuo's win-rate before this one dropped?

saltran2 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Xayah/

Xayah is at 47 and has even a slightly more winrate than Cait who is also at 47 (maybe because Cait has higher pickrate)

Who is more op than I expected is MF, with same pickrate her winrate increased 2%

dunder kill1 votes

Xayah is at 47 and has even a slightly more winrate than Cait who is also at 47

Probably because they both directly scale with Crit

saltran1 votes

Yep, Xayah E and Cait headshot.

Salson1 votes

I think that's Lethality MF. I missed her so much.

saltran1 votes

I don't, I miss Crit MF and I'm already testing a Stormrazor --> RFC into IE.

Salson1 votes

To each his own I guess.

I personally hate lacking the one-item-powerspyke, making me one of the few people who think the change we're overall healthy.

DW Diana2 votes

Yasuo has a terrible winrate because so many people are terrible at him, not because he's bad. Even the top yasuo players admit he is overloaded. Thankfully people suck at him lol

D357R0Y3R2 votes

i see, so he went from 50% win rate to 44% win rate because people forgot how to play him

thanks for your lights

DW Diana2 votes

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i see, so he went from 50% win rate to 44% win rate because people forgot how to play him

47% to 44%. Lolalytics sadly doesn't have the option of "overall winrate by patch" as there would be too much data for them to hold at any one time, so you are always seeing just the last 7 days, of which there isn't enough data from 8.11 to really make any judgement (it was released YESTERDAY).

thanks for your lights

You're welcome.

Madsin252 votes

Xayah has been one of the best champs since her release.

No longer being able to explode squishys abusing her stupidly OP crit is a good thing in my eyes.

AirKingNeo1 votes

why would we nerf rageblade when the champions are the issue?

Varus: Too much passive synergy. Kai'Sa: Literally already broken.

Just reduce the cost of IE by 100, and the cost of Zeal and upgraded Zeal by 100 (why increase Zeal's gold if you nerf the crit chance on it? Just keep it 1200 at that point). (Even then, no one would probably build Crit because no one cares about large late game scaling, but instead sizeable powerspikes that are impactful in the mid game.)

Essence Reaver needs to be an active item. Probably get rid of the cooldown resets because giving generic cooldown resets to certain champions is very dumb.

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