Meaning:
Her passive isn't removed by creeps anymore once she hits level 11.
I mean, you already nerfed "reworked" her not too long ago.
And please don't start talking about power budget for mobility, you definitely blew any right to do so when you designed Kalista whose passive is 10x stronger than MF's passive ever could be (even MF's passive was permanent it wouldn't even be close)....
Sir ArmaMalum7 votesThis was actually something I've been wanting since before the rework. To me the minion removal seemed so unnecessary, because the only time it would be oppressive as far as I can tell is if she's chasing and the victim hasn't sent anything her way. It's not to the same degree as Mobi Boots because her capacity to roam isn't too terribly high, she'd get picked off quickly more often than not. Back in the day her passive had other perks like returning to lane hella fast or working incredibly well with the boots+3 pot start but as the game stands now it doen't seem to really give her that much of an advantage.
Of course, I will be the first to admit that mobility is a difficult lever to predict. Can anyone think of a reason that minion damage should remove MF's passive?
SpecterVonBaren2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir ArmaMalum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EmyIMy83,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-02-11T19:12:27.333+0000)
This was actually something I've been wanting since before the rework. To me the minion removal seemed so unnecessary, because the only time it would be oppressive as far as I can tell is if she's chasing and the victim hasn't sent anything her way. It's not to the same degree as Mobi Boots because her capacity to roam isn't too terribly high, she'd get picked off quickly more often than not. Back in the day her passive had other perks like returning to lane hella fast or working incredibly well with the boots+3 pot start but as the game stands now it doen't seem to really give her that much of an advantage.
Of course, I will be the first to admit that mobility is a difficult lever to predict. Can anyone think of a reason that minion damage should remove MF's passive?
Or they could at least make it so her Q, which is a SPELL, isn't treated as an auto-attack by minions so you at least don't draw minion agro by using it for harass.
Kingsgrave1 votesOr they could at least make it so her Q, which is a SPELL, isn't treated as an auto-attack by minions so you at least don't draw minion agro by using it for harass.
Spells that apply on hits are coded as autoattacks almost always.
Lord Graves III3 votesIn lane it would feel like complete bullshit. MF would get to pick her fights and be nearly untouchable.
I can see it being removed at level 11 or whatever though. That would increase her late game niche, something MF really needs.
Fitz n The Fool7 votesBut MF isnt flashy and doesnt have LCSBIGPLAYS potential so the answer to your question is no, no they cannot buff her.
Kingsgrave9 votes[{quoted}](name=Fitz n The Fool,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EmyIMy83,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-02-11T19:20:53.696+0000)
But MF isnt flashy and doesnt have LCSBIGPLAYS potential so the answer to your question is no, no they cannot buff her.
Her Ult is pretty flashy typically.
blueberrypancake5 votesThe day when the MF,Malphite,Yasuo,Orianna, Lulu wombo combo is picked in LCS. I will crap my pants.
killd0zer7 votesMF is like the original flashy ADC up there with Ashe Ults
Remlap12232 votes
Meep Man6 votesWhy don't we do exactly what they did with Garen and make the movement speed scale to be ridiculous at Level 16 as well.
ElBoob6 votesI regret only that I have but one upvote to give.
lDontLiftIcarry5 votesreworks are just different ways of riots way to gut a champion out of viability and hope it doesn't came back. And then when it does. Nerf it into the ground. See every single rework since day 1.
Silents42910 votesI have never witnessed a more wrong statement on this forum today.
lDontLiftIcarry3 votesskarner Cass ? Point made.
Silverclaw15 votesNidalee Maokai Sion ? Point made.
Orbv2 votesNidalee and Mao'Kai were like miniature reworks, they focused on number changes to change the champion.
Sion's was a good rework, but there have been very few reworks done like Sion's. I prefer these reimaginings, like the Soraka one as well.
That Cass though
Kowe The Ewok6 votesskarner Cass ? Point made.
Lord Graves III4 votesWhile I do agree with you, comparing Kalista passive and MF passive isn't really fair. Their kits are very different. Kalista's is better in a vacuum, but MF has other stuff in there anyway.
ThePlasticSpork4 votesBe careful what you ask for.
Someone on the balance team might look at the thread title and decide her ult needs to be on a 160 second CD, the "Garen treatment".
X Frady4 votesIn another thread I was speaking about this very thing, and more Bullet Time power. It's unfair to see her passive gets canceled by a frigging minion hit, while other "mobile" champions get the higher ground. +1
Silverthane3 votescan we please look at ashe's passive as well?
5G8Nri0B541 votesI agree she could use "something" (probably not a buff, but something to be more meta-friendly), but I don't think this is the right direction.
I think she needs something to keep assassins/bruisers off her ass.
A Slime Appears12 votesOnly way you'll accomplish that is a visual update where they flatten her butt.
5G8Nri0B547 votesDoes THIS(
) look like the face of someone who cares about the shape of your butt?! In fact he'd probably consider it compact and tenderized.
: "They all look the same to me!"
A Slime Appears17 votesRengar is all about trophies. Flat butts aren't rare, butts like MF's are.
: "They all look the same to me!"
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/day-1354-they-still-think-im-blind.jpg
LeeDark5 votesDon't give me that. We ALL saw Rengar hesitate in the video when Katarina spread her legs for him.
TwoD7 votesa pirate ain't no pirate with no booty
Lord Graves III7 votesI think deep down she could use a tristana grade rework.
Her kit doesn't really feel like a pirate, or a bounty hunter, or a trashy slut, or anything that Miss Fortune's kit should make you feel like. She needs some defining, some reworking, and I'd love for them to re-hire the voice actress and expand her voice pack to match recent champs. I kinda like her voice.
Remlap12231 votesShe already got a Tristana grade rework. Her W used to scale off of AP, and now it scales off her AD. Her ultimate now procs her W passive. Honestly, all she needs is that Garen treatment for her passive, and she's instantly a million times better.
SunGold3 votesidk if that would help her on late game.
miss fortune could have jinx passive like:
Whenever an enemy champion or structure that miss fortune has dealt damage to within the last 3 seconds is killed or destroyed, she gains 70 movement speed that decays over 5 seconds.
(or just on kill or assist)
or kinda like draven's W:
ACTIVE: Miss Fortune gains her full sturt passive movement speed for 2.5 seconds bonus attack speed for 6 seconds and her autoattacks also apply Grievous Wounds for 2 seconds.
Remlap12231 votesAbsolutely not. The thing you need to understand about MF's passive is that when it's up, it's very strong. The problem with the passive is that it gets knocked off very easily early game, and almost definitely late game. Giving her the minion immunity at level 11 would allow her to charge in at enemy champions without being too much of a hardcore lane bully early game. I've started a thread similar to this one earlier last year, and that's the red response for why they haven't done this, and I agree. They need to give it the 11 cap though, I think that's more than fair when a champion like Kalista exists.
SunGold1 voteslevel 11 is not early game for an adc, so it will not affect her. garens passive on level 11 is for a solo lane slit pusher let's him get away while regening. mf is not the same as garen she is an adc she needs a diferent thing. garen's level 11 imunity on minion is nothing for mf. but tha's just my opinion.
Remlap12231 votesWhat I'm saying is that by sticking a level 11 immunity on Miss Fortune is a really powerful buff. It allows you to chase even if a minion wave is pushed. Waiting till 11 wouldn't make her a unbeatable lane bully early game. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who mains MF.
SunGold2 voteslike i get it get hit by a minion while you have your passive up and clearing bot lane sucks but it not change that much cuz champions will still get you anyway xD just a jump on you or a mage with a goo range skill and you're easy dead and no outplay potential (if you don't have flash) this is what i am saying ok look at this if they gave sion an escape nidalee more chansing potential i think perhaps they should give something cool for mf and don't start with "she is my favorite champion my main and i don't what her damage nerfed or i don't what her to be popular to change stuff and what ever" cuz i can play her i know how she is too man she has good damage i solo juked with my passive a ahri charm and killed her when she was spaming everything vs me she has really good damage i just don't like that a suport auto attack is enoght to get me killed if i don't have flash. let's be honest look at this: varus has slow and his ulti ashe has slows a stun graves has smage and dash lucian has damage and dash jinx has huge dmage huge range and ms on kills and assists cait good range excape and traps (cc) and dmage kog'mah good damage good vs tanks exelent range and kalista infinit dash and good damage tristana good late game range and damage and huge knock back sivir huge movement speed for herself and the team normal damage and spell sheild ... miss fortune huge damage
Lord Graves III1 votesShe got the crappiest most half assed rework I've ever seen in my 4 seasons of playing league. It was really more like a batch of tweaks or something.
And just making her flat better isn't necessarily a great call. MF can still dominate a game for 95% of the league population. I just feel like she needs a kit that better enforces her themes and story, and don't play like a generic ADC kit.
Kitten of Evil1 votesI love the voice actress. Her laugh is one of the best imo.
Lord Graves III1 votesThat chucklefuck laugh she does when ulting is the best part of Miss Fortune.
Undeadmerlin1 votesYeah because getting kited by minions is a problem in todays meta
Kowe The Ewok7 votesYou totally miss the point. Currently Miss Fortune's passive ise useless whenever minions are nearby. Attack an enemy? -> Your passive gets removed, even if your opponent doesn't shoot back.
Undeadmerlin1 votesyou misunderstand.... the adc who has no escapedoesnt need to escape since her entire kit is based around tons of damage.
Kowe The Ewok7 votesThis isn't primary an escaping issue, by chasing issue (when you escape you don't attack = no minion aggro. When you chase you attack = minion aggro)
Desiderium1 votesHer movement is not as core to her as Garen's sustainability. When her passive is down, it needs to be down.
Asking for her passive not to go down at a certain level is like saying "Oh just wait, once I get to level 11, I won't have to think as much when it comes to my engagements."
I don't think Riot will condone mindless gameplay.
If you want anything to happen for Miss Fortune, it should probably not affect her passive.
Sightless661 votesWhen her passive is down, it needs to be down.
This is a meaningless statement. The issue at hand isn't anything helping her get her passive back up, it's an issue of what makes it go down and why in particular minions need to bring it down.
Asking for her passive not to go down at a certain level is like saying "Oh just wait, once I get to level 11, I won't have to think as much when it comes to my engagements."
How so? This isn't about engagements. It's about minions. The most important factor this affects is her ability to roam and push, not anything involving engagements or teamfights. It gives me more options and a bit more leniency for that purpose. It's not going to help fights in any significant way.
I don't think Riot will condone mindless gameplay.
What do you think is mindless about it?
If you want anything to happen for Miss Fortune, it should probably not affect her passive.
Why not? The passive has unnecessary functional problems which could be fixed without majorly buffing her. As I see it. changes that make something less frustrating to play but don't really impact enemy interactions or power level are good changes.
Woodakoodashooda1 votesIt's unnecessary. Her passive isn't meant for chasing down enemies. A champion would still be able to hit her before running and she'd lose her passive bonus. Her passive enables her to roam the map and split push lanes. It enables her to B a little more frequently than other ADC's without losing too much farm or XP. It enables her to assist the Jungler in slaying the dragon early and returning to her lane before anyone notices she's gone. It allows her the opportunity to gank mid-lane before laning ends after she's done her job at poking both the enemy carry and support into going b.
6DimensionalJ1 votesI still feel like we should buff her passive even more. Something like her passive restarting when she uses her W (like Draaaaaaven's) or if she walks through her E. It'd give a lot more mobility with this.
Immortal Strife1 votesI would love to see MF buffed or changed to make her more competetive, but I just don't think it's going to happen anytime soon-probabily not until her VU, whenever that is.
lDontLiftIcarry1 votescheong'sam miss fortune :]
Kyuu07071 votesIt would help with escapability
cocacolalips1 votesMiss Fortune still destroys Kalista in a duel, you have no argument.
Wathehellsupdog1 votesHmmm... Maybe something like MF gains movespeed every second up to a max but loses a stack every time she takes damage from an enemy champion. Or apply 
/ 
passive to her movespeed. MF starts with 5 stacks of strut. She gains 2 stacks from kill and 1 from assist. Max 20 stacks and each stack gives 4 movespeed (her passive right now gives her 70 movespeed total this would buff it up to 80 / she would start with plus 20). At max stacks she gets 20% movespeed bonus. She loses 1/3 of her stacks (rounded to nearest whole number) every time she is killed.
