Veigar rework feels like Cassiopeia 2.0 all over again

Kowe The Ewok··7 votes·719 views

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/02/red-post-collection-upcoming.html

Warning: Rage incomming. Huge concerns that Riot still hasn't learned ANYTHING from what we experienced with Cassiopeia...

Just wow. Are you serious Riot? You are nerfing all of his abilities?

  • Lower damage on his ultimate? I mean seriously, not that the rise of ADC casters already took away most of its power....
  • Longer cooldown on his Q?
  • HIS CC GETS A FREAKING 0.75s DELAY?

The last part alone ist overkill enough. He's a horrificly squishy champion with low movementspeed and ZERO mobiliyt tools. Now you take away that one thing that keeps him out of the unusable-section of the champion roster.

"But they compensate with lower mana cost..." CONGRATZ, after nerfing all mana intems into the ground you realize that lower mana costs are necessary?

Do you think pushing has mana consumption to the same level he pre-item-nerf puts him in a better spot? Do you think it helps him against the assassin heavy meta?

No, he would actually stay the same.

BUT instead you decided to nerf him as well. -2 +2 =1 right? "1 isn't balanced so we gotta add -1." That's your logic. You take mana items away, you add lower mana costs. And suddenly you start reasoning "now that he has lower mana consumption..." BULL$#§7

Seriously. You might as well remove him if this is your way to go. You haven't learned ANYTHING from horribly wrong the Cassiopeia rework went.

Your whole concept is wrong AGAIN, for your horrible design you will have to make up with numbers. To make it work numbers will have to be overtuned. As a result he will be nerfed agains.

We've seen it with Olaf, Skarner, Soraka and PBE changes indicate a similiar future for Cassiopeia.

Just please! Don't do that to Veigar.

8 Comments

killd0zer2 votes

Are you serious Riot? You are nerfing all of his abilities?

How did you even come to that conclusion from that?

E got wrecked pretty hard, but every reasonable person saw that coming.

Most of the other changes are either net neutral or buffs.

Kowe The Ewok3 votes

So REMOVING 0.2 ratio from his ultimate is a buff?

INCREASING min cooldown from Q increasing from 4 to 5 is a buff?

killd0zer2 votes

Ult got a huge cost decrease and slight CD reduction.

Q got huge range increase and double hits.

W spam got buff.

I said NET neutral or buff.

Kowe The Ewok3 votes

Costs decrease? Great, now we are finally where we were before the Athene's and Morello nerfs... Wait... We still are not...

Range increase is a thing, but it's a skillshot now, meaning Zed can now completely avoid your damage - great!

"W-spam" that term actually made me chuckle. The only time you'll ever land a W against a semi decent opponent is when he's stunned. And you stun just slaughtered by the nerfbat, meaning so got any chance to land his W.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Cassiopeia works pretty good, so I guess that means Veigar 2.0 will be a nice change of pace?

Kowe The Ewok4 votes

Do you remember how her rework went? I took them 5 month to fix it.

None of her core issues is solved. None of the concerns of Cassiopeia players is taken note of.

All they did was overbuffing her numbers on E after horribly tscrewing up her gameplay changes.

And nerfs are already incomming...

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

What core issues? Your poor opinion of her doesn't make her broken.

killd0zer2 votes

The Cass complainers are, and always have been, a vocal minority.

If a post has like 300 upvotes, consider how inconsequentially small that really is.

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