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Tanks are so worthless in this game it's disgusting.

Trash MammaI··8 votes·1,240 views

There is literally no reason to pick a Tank/build tank these days.

Hp doesn't matter - BORK Armor doesn't matter - LW/BC/Yomu MR doesn't matter - Void staff/Liandrys

Trying to stick to someone is nearly impossible. Nearly every champion these days has some form of a gap closer/untargetable/invulnerable/shield etc. into their kit making it nearly impossible to stay on something.

Not to mention marksman. You finally somehow manage to get onto one of those pieces of crap and by then you're at half hp and being kited because 500+ combined with a gap closer isn't a bad thing at all..eh?

Sure, you can argue "muh cc" you're better off bursting things in this meta than you are trying to cc them. "B-but I went Amumu and I cc'd a caitlyn and my assassin deleted her"

If your assassin is "deleting" someone they're able to "delete" Them without the cc

TL;DR Tanks need buffs or anti-tank items need nerfs

26 Comments

Hullabaloo9075 votes

Tanks are extremely strong, but they actually required teamwork to be fully effective. Your job as a tank is to disrupt the enemy team. Doing this offensively allows your assassins and ap carries get there nukes off safely, while doing so defensively can prevent assassins from getting there burst off or prevent enemy tanks from disrupting your team. You might not be strong on your own, but if the players are all equal skill, the team with a tank that can initiate and peel will win.

Kowe The Ewok3 votes

Rammus says "No"

Dryditch2 votes

Rammus OK

Dryditch3 votes

Totally agreed. I've been looking at rebalancing efforts for some tanks, starting with one of the supports I tend to play the most.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/UouckLYa-yet-another-taric-thread

What do you think about those kinds of changes? The idea is to make a tank more utility based, rather than damage sponging.

Trash MammaI4 votes

I wouldn't say utility is something they need more of nor is it something they lack. Taric is really great of a champ. Play him top if you want to get the full power of him. One thing people don't realize is you can "support" other people other than your marksman. In this case taric top is a support for the jungler. He's a delight to gank for and insanely hard to be ganked due to his massive armor. Late game he's just as good as he would be bot lane if not better due to more gold income.

On topic of tanks in general, rebalncing is far from what they need. Take a look at Sejuani or Nautilus. They do what they're suppose to do perfectly. They do little damage(or at least i've known them to) their sustain isn't that great, but what do they have? They have great tank stats. They have amazing CC. They have perfect peel/disengage/engage skills put into their kit.

But what makes that all irrelevant? The fact they can build full tank items and still be melted because of the anti-tank items power. IF a sejuani has randuins/frozen heart/sunfire/banshee/merc/warmogs. She shouldn't be losing clumps of hp each attack because the enemy Tristana build a ruined king and lw to nullify everything.

That's the issue with tanks right now

Dryditch1 votes

Thanks for the reply. Definitely makes sense to me, and I'll give Taric Top a shot next time someone steals my main, Malphite.

I tend to support the entire team when I play him--Aura items and SERIOUS armor.

As far as getting melted, I don't really see it as that much a problem. When they bring out the LW, you've already gotten enough health AND armor that one or the other won't matter as much. Plus, the few seconds you provide of being focused should give your team the time to absolutely ruin their ADC and APC.

Earl Eulrich2 votes

But what makes that all irrelevant? The fact they can build full tank items and still be melted because of the anti-tank items power.

And that´s mostly a scaling issue...tanks only have two multiplicators (HP and Armor/MR) to survive while Carries get 4 (Arp, AD, AS, Crit) to deal dmg. On top of this Tank-itemization is just not es expensive and therefor not as slot-efficient - which can be great if you snowball and will grant you an immense midgame once your somehow ahead - but you´ll fall flat on your nose trying to tank anything beyond the midgame if you don´t have a lead as a tank - making it much more effective to just invest into dmg after 2-3 defensive items and try blowing up a carry instead of "tanking" him. What we would need is another mutliplier for tank-stats (maybe even sth like %reduction, as professional play clearly shows the only viable tanks are the ones with %reduction (aka mao and ali, mundo has <20%winrate in worlds, that´s far from viable)) aswell as some more "high-end" tankstuff for 3,5k gold+. Also, Crit-RNG has to be erased from this game...it´s ridiculous how much dmg you will have to face if an IE rushing carry comes at you with some luck.

redniwediS3 votes

I'll admit that there is little to no reason to play a non-support tank in solo play, but in a team situation they are very useful. With everyone on the same page a tank can do more work toward winning a team fight than either of the carries can, but without that level of communication I wouldn't recommend anything tankier than a bruiser.

TheFallenShaw1 votes

Lets play a little game your little insects vrs my well Fed tank Nasus.... Useless I think not.

"One simply does not kill a fed Nasus"

Fed by Snu Snu4 votes

Lets play a little game your little insects vrs my well Fed tank Nasus.... Useless I think not.

"One simply does not kill a fed Nasus"

That's a convenient pick of a hyper-scaling tank you got there.

How about an actual tank?

TheFallenShaw3 votes

Lets play a little game your little insects vrs my well Fed tank Nasus.... Useless I think not.

"One simply does not kill a fed Nasus"

That's a convenient pick of a hyper-scaling tank you got there.

How about an actual tank?

Ok so which 1 tank out of all of them are you refering to exactly bc I was under the impression we were talking about tanks being useless not just one of them but as you wish would you preferBraum Chogath Skarner Shyvana DrMundo or even Garen

Because you see, with the proper build/masteries they all are great picks. No the OP problem is he's not playing or building a tank the right way as a Tank.

A Tank is not an adc,burst,or even a figher he is a tank.

That means at most 1 offence item and the rest defence.

redniwediS2 votes

Garen and Shyvana are bruisers, not tanks. They are very tanky, yes, but they don't have the CC to be considered a tank. In place of said CC they have damage.

TheFallenShaw1 votes

Garen and Shyvana are bruisers, not tanks. They are very tanky, yes, but they don't have the CC to be considered a tank. In place of said CC they have damage.

Since when did people have to have CC to be considered tanks? I must of missed that lesson, I thought to be a tank a champion simply had to... take tons of damage and live.

Btw ole bud, fine you can say they arn't tanks..... they are just listed as tanks by the game creators need proof here : http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/

click the tank option and look. Next time Know what your saying before you open your mouth.

Tsunday1 votes

Garen and Shyv are bruisers if you build them as bruisers otherwise they are tanks. Tanks can still build a damage item. A bruiser is going to build 2-4 damage based items but if you get a Hydra on Shyv and then build her full tank she's still a tank even if she does damage.

I'm sorry but the problem isn't these champions aren't tanks the problem is everybody wants to be the one in the spotlight, everybody wants to be the one getting all the kills and so people play tanks and then build as bruisers or even carries and nobody wants to play them as a tank. When Shyv has 3 offensive items and gets blown up it's not because tanks are underpowered and it's not because Shyv sucks as a tank, it's because somebody built her as a bruiser instead of as a tank.

Trash MammaI2 votes

Zyra Just snared you Zilean Just slowed you down Ziggs Just knocked you back and set an AoE slow out. Braum Just slowed you and possibly stunned you. LeeSin Just kicked you back I can go on for dayz. How exactly do you plan to do anything with nasus when you can't even reach your target and your hp is being chunked away cause lol LW/Bork/IE getrektscrub.

redniwediS1 votes

Uh no. Nasus wouldn't be trying to get through everyone just to pick off a squishy target, he would be split pushing. I highly doubt the champs you mentioned can keep a smart Nasus away from minions/towers, which are his true targets.

TheFallenShaw2 votes

Zyra Just snared you Zilean Just slowed you down Ziggs Just knocked you back and set an AoE slow out. Braum Just slowed you and possibly stunned you. LeeSin Just kicked you back I can go on for dayz. How exactly do you plan to do anything with nasus when you can't even reach your target and your hp is being chunked away cause lol LW/Bork/IE getrektscrub.

summoner 4 item 3143 item 3153 item 3111 thats just items and summoner spells not counting W and btw You really think a Nasus can't juke. And please pray for that exact team comp to use against 1 champ while the other 4 on my team are dealing TONS OF DAMAGE.

Yes you can go on for days on how to stop 1 champion but there are 4 others u have to worry about too. So deal with 1 fed nasus at top or the 4 comeing in bot lane which you gonna stop?

Tsunday1 votes

A tank's job isn't to have CC, a tank's job is to soak damage as well as waste long cooldown abilities If Lee Sin ulted you then he can't ult your carries into his team. If Zyra snares you she can't snare your carry, if Braum Q's you he can't stop your APC's escape. The easiest way to win a teamfight is by waving yourself in front of them and saying 'hey look at me' and allowing your team to focus on the important enemy targets while you take 2 ults and half of the APCs mana to the face. If you die as a tank in a teamfight its okay because that means that unless your teammates are stupid (and are focusing the enemy tank) or unless you're stupid (and tried to 1v5 the enemy team) your death should mean that your team won the teamfight.

redniwediS1 votes

Garen and Shyvana are bruisers, not tanks. They are very tanky, yes, but they don't have the CC to be considered a tank. In place of said CC they have damage.

Since when did people have to have CC to be considered tanks? I must of missed that lesson, I thought to be a tank a champion simply had to... take tons of damage and live.

Btw ole bud, fine you can say they arn't tanks..... they are just listed as tanks by the game creators need proof here : http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/

click the tank option and look. Next time Know what your saying before you open your mouth.

Cite what you like, I'm just informing you of how they have been classified by the community for years. The six roles Riot has come up with are vague, and so they use secondary roles to try and cover the gaps.

Tanks are medium to high CC damage soaks and are typically good initiators and weak duelists. They are typically either Mage or Support as a secondary.

Fighters are great duelists with high DPS, are melee, but don't have the mobility to be considered an Assassin. They typically have Assassin as their secondary.

Bruisers are tanky with DPS capabilities, typically due to high base damage with low damage ratios. They typically are either Tank/Fighters or Fighter/Tanks.

This has been general knowledge since at least Season 1, knowledge you should be able to look up quite easily. You should try taking your own advice.

EDIT: Also for some reason i cannot reply directly to you, hopefully you see this.

Rainbowgasm1 votes

what other type of champion can proxy farm a lane pre lvl 6?

Kuroi861 votes

Tanks were never meant to be invulnerable, nor were they meant to be the main carry of the game. Tanks carry through two very simple objectives. A, force focus onto them. If you're a tank and you can force the enemy team to focus on you while your ADC/APC/Assassin gets a triple kill and your team pushes on to take a tower, then you have done your job and should be proud. B, disruption. If the enemy team wants to fight, you bring the fight to them and force them to either focus you or to scatter, giving your team the opportunity to pick people off. You can do this in one of two ways, either through heavy CC or through dangerous AOE.

statefarm691 votes

league has become literally just play an assassin and you win leblanc fizz and katarina are the most unbalanced chapmions in the games for the fact that they cann kill you almost immediate with one item this game used to have purposes for eachlane now every pvp is assassin top assasin suppot assassin mid the is becoming a crap shoot of no skill whatsoever and tanks are useless because they dont do damage whats the point if the mid kill everyone but the tank he cant kill them so basically this game has turned into wow

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