Essence Reaver Interactions.

Zerenza·Jun 1, 2018·28 votes·15,221 views

Her W during her ultimate actually has a 1 second cooldown instead of 2 second cooldown. Her W is the ability that makes her tentacle slam during her ultimate.

Jesus christ, every auto attack you perform during your Fast Combo will make the cooldowns of her Q,W and E go down, though this might not be helpful, it's just a headsup.

His W counts as 2 or 3 auto attacks(Empowered) Solorenektononly did this on stream, it's pretty broken.

Not the strongest pick right now but, his Q will be on a 1 second cooldown. Again, do with this what you will.

I don't think i have to explain this but basically all of your abilities during your ultimate will be on a much lower cooldown than normal, especially if you have 40% CDR.

Like, Essence reaver is now a pretty damned good Bruiser item apparently.

61 Comments

TakaDamaJun 1, 201830 votes

You know you messed up itemization when a mana item is broken on a manaless champion. Renekton

Also, good to know with Illaoi

ZerenzaJun 1, 20181 votes

Update, essence reaver illaoi is pretty nice! But it's not good against Tryndamere, like it's sooooo good after lane phase but during lane phase it sucked. I died so much but to be fair it was tryndamere so i was gonna die anyway, he crit me like 5 times at level 2.

woodvsmurphJun 1, 20181 votes

That's why you get it 3rd item. Get your laning phase items and some durability first.

woodvsmurphJun 1, 20181 votes

Old essence reaver was essential on crit-rekton due to the 30% cdr you'd get. So it's synergy is nothing new; merely the reason for the synergy

TakaDamaJun 1, 20181 votes

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Old essence reaver was essential on crit-rekton due to the 30% cdr you'd get. So it's synergy is nothing new; merely the reason for the synergy

Speaking of old Essence Reaver on manaless champions, did anyone ever try it with Yasuo and the Transcendence rune? Seems like an easy way to get bit more AD along with crit and cdr.

Fondling GemsJun 1, 20181 votes

The issue was that you gave up Inf edge, because there was no way to fit both in without either over or undercapping on CDR, and it delayed your 100% cdr build significantly.

I do want to see him with ER now though considering Inf Edge isn't helping him much vs squishies and his Q should lower it's own CD on top of being able to cancel his next aa animation with Q. Windwalls everywhere too.

ZackTheWaffleManJun 2, 20181 votes

You mean 100% crit?

Fondling GemsJun 2, 20181 votes

yeah whoops

Pierce The VealJun 2, 20181 votes

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Speaking of old Essence Reaver on manaless champions, did anyone ever try it with Yasuo and the Transcendence rune? Seems like an easy way to get bit more AD along with crit and cdr.

Wasn’t good on Yasuo, but I always bought it on tryndamere. Topped up the 100% crit with an IE phantom dancer and frankly got rid of the need for tiamat.

woodvsmurphJun 2, 20181 votes

Proud to say I have never stooped so low as to play yasuo - even in pve. I have done that on other champs though.

Also, essence reaver still gives 20% cdr... AND it lowers cd of basic abilities after you ult. So I could STILL see a yasuo using something like this in a cdr heavy build to combo with transcendence. Or just take it with cleaver, 2 crit items, and lifesteal item and run the 5% extra cdr from runes to give him 45% plus the extra 20% after casting ult or whatever. I imagine he could almost double his rate of using q... from every 2 sec to every 1 sec.

Linna ExcelJun 1, 20181 votes

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You know you messed up itemization when a mana item is broken on a manaless champion.

I really wonder why riot tweaked it at all. I mean I know they wanted to move away from crit, but this item is just weird now.

420 gramsJun 2, 20183 votes

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You know you messed up itemization when a mana item is broken on a manaless champion.

Also, good to know with Illaoi

I mean solorenektononly also builds the wizard lizard (full ap renekton) and makes it look broken, so...

Ariel the CruelJun 2, 20181 votes

I'm seeing some ARAM success with item 4010 on non-AP champs. A spell shield you can somewhat control (and 30 second cooldown to boot) is insane.

JarvanIV Is probably the best use case I've found so far. Braum loves it too though.

SmashinBobJun 1, 20184 votes

Yeah, item designed for adcs actually benefits everyone but them, I can think of only kaisa, ez and varus right now that would actually benefit from it.

And i would add all of these also as possible essence users, I mean just thinking about it gives me chills: MasterYi Khazix Kayn Fiora XinZhao Nasus JarvanIV Talon Jayce

ZerenzaJun 1, 20182 votes

It was meant to nerf them though, the only reason i wouldn't put Fiora on here is because her Q and E are already on really low cooldowns when maxed, and her W still wouldn't be reduced enough to warrant essence reaver. Kayn is the same way, talon as well and Kha'zix maybe but he burst you so fast it wouldn't really matter. Like you need to be able to survive a fight to use essence reaver in it's current state, Master yi probably could but probably not as good as the bruiser's/juggernauts you listed, same with Jayce.

SmashinBobJun 1, 20182 votes

Well if the assasins needs to do extended fights it would be usefull vs certain comps. And I think master yi will be even more broken now with essence.

ZerenzaJun 1, 20182 votes

The only reason i don't think master Yi could, mainly in High ELO is because he's too squishy, like, the ER effect is certainly amazing on him, in theory. But in practice i don't think it'll be useful unless he's already insanely fed and they can't burst him down anyway.

Assassin cooldowns tend to be extremely high so they can't 1v5 an enemy team, AD assassins especially have high cooldowns, except Rengar but i despize rengar design wise so.

SmashinBobJun 1, 20182 votes

I think high elo is where it would work, most of the yi strength comes from dodging with Q and using it as often is better. But then again who knows until somebody tries.

AwhegarkJun 1, 20184 votes

can confirm. Tried this in low elo and is garbage. Standard rageblade build is better.

AwesomeGuyDjJun 2, 20181 votes

From what i've read it works better as 3rd item after jg item rage blade.

SaibboJun 1, 20181 votes

It was meant to nerf them though

I feel like nerf a item is different from 'now is useless to basically any ADC'.

ZerenzaJun 1, 20181 votes

Well, basically, i like the ADC changes because even though they can still snowball, the only ADC's that pop-off at one item are ones that can build Essence Reaver, Guinsoo's or Black Clever(Or Lethality, i don't judge.) basically a Crit ADC won't one shot me with one item anymore, or even two, it takes at least 3 items so i have plenty of time to shut them down and keep them down for awhile. (Still don't like Guinsoo's ADC's though) so most of the ADC roster is nerfed because of these changes, but they can adapt, ADC's have a tendency to be able to build anything and become OP.

SaibboJun 1, 20182 votes

so most of the ADC roster is nerfed because of these changes

imo now most of the ADC are just useless as yasuo when feds

ADC's have a tendency to be able to build anything and become OP.

not at all, most of the ADC need specific items to be "OP" as ER for Xayah, tear for Ezreal, Infinity edge for sivir, etc.. All late game crit ADC are now non existing because they get easily shut down even by a support early(no sustain).

the only ADC's that pop-off at one item are ones that can build Essence Reaver, Guinsoo's or Black Clever

maybe crit ADC were dominant but there was still other op champions even before this patch that could one shoot you and still can like Kaisa and Ezreal that didn't get touched, they just reduced the ADCs champ pool nothing else.

ZerenzaJun 1, 20183 votes

Not at all? Wait, were you here for these items being abused by ADC's?

Black Clever, Maw of Malmortius, Deaths Dance, Frozen Mallet, Steraks Gage, Youmu's Ghostblade, Duskblade, Edge of Night, Trinity Force, Sunfire Cape, like do i even need to go on? They have a STRONG tendency to take ANY item with ANY Synergy for them AT ALL and abuse the fuck out of it then get it nerfed for it's intended user's.

Essence Reaver is actually pretty good on Xayah and Sivir, Sivir mostly, Ezreal is a caster so he can build Essence reaver as well but Hyper Carry FULL CRIT Adc's like Jinx, Vayne and Tristana won't be able to 2 shot you with 2 items anymore and actually have to get to late game like their supposed to. I'm still one edge about On-Hit ADC's like Kai'Sa but that'll get nerfed eventually.

SaibboJun 1, 20182 votes

There are a lot of item that get abused by other roles not only ADCs and not by all of them but just couple of them that could synergy. Also I don't see how some of them were abused? like how maw,dd,trinity can be "abused"? there different play style for adcs they can't just build all the same 2-3 items for everygame? You may be right with black cleaver, steraks and frozen mallet, I'm not too sure about lethality some marksman are assassins, sunfire cape? i don't remember that one :<

Hyper Carry FULL CRIT Adc's like Jinx, Vayne and Tristana won't be able to 2 shot you with 2 items

I mean you're not wrong their burst dmg with the zeal items were insane, but this nerf is well behind that, not only they greatly reduced the dmg but also increase a lot the gold required for that and the build path, that's double the nerf imo Before it was to easy to build for a lot of dmg, now is the exact opposite, hard to build and for decent dmg. Plus ER without crit actually completely imo destroyed xayah and sivir this patch.

Umery1Jun 1, 20181 votes

Not trying to start a fight or anything, but pretty sure that was the point of the change, so that hyper scaling champs would actually have to wait till late game

SaibboJun 1, 20181 votes

Yee i know... Just think they kinda over did it without balancing the non-crit champ too [zombie-nunu-bummed]

ZerenzaJun 2, 20181 votes

Agreed, I still want them to keep balancing our on-air overlords to put them in a better spot. But I was pretty sick of crit adcs in general,

LarkreckJun 2, 20185 votes

Yes that was the intention of the change and it was very shortsighted. Games are way too fast for anyone to have to wait for three items to be strong. Any ADC without a one item powerspike is too weak to be played, all the change did was push crit users almost completely out of the meta while Ezreal and Rageblade abusers exist.

SquishieJun 2, 20181 votes

Who tf buys black clever on adc ?

ZerenzaJun 2, 20181 votes

Used to be a first buy on every ADC because it gave tankiness and damage, that was when it had more AD though, it was needed to its current state because of ADC abuse.

SquishieJun 2, 20181 votes

I only remember mf and lucian getting it and it wasn't first buy :?

EspanicoJun 4, 20181 votes

Are you from riot games? Essence river’s passive “essence flare” doesn’t work on jayce! Is this a bug? They don’t answer me

SaibboJun 1, 20181 votes

It may go well for like Kaisa,Varus,KogMaw,Lucian but like there're probably better items for all of them instead of ER, except Ez that is way better with the double tears, the other 3 kaisa,varus,kog basically build AP or crit to be relevant anyway. So i can't see any ADC using it expect for maybe lucian.

AwhegarkJun 1, 20181 votes

nah lucian does not really want this either.

SaibboJun 1, 20181 votes

Yeah that's what I was thinking too, this isn't an ADC item anymore imo

Auz the RipperJun 1, 20181 votes

I mean he completely wants the item and the proc, he just doesn't want to ult to get the proc. I could see it being a really good situational item

LarkreckJun 2, 20181 votes

Only Kogmaw does for W uptime. Varus and Kaisa both build AP and Lucian apparently does better without it.

Lord MalpercioJun 1, 20181 votes

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Yeah, item designed for adcs actually benefits everyone but them, I can think of only kaisa, ez and varus right now that would actually benefit from it.

And i would add all of these also as possible essence users, I mean just thinking about it gives me chills:

Lucian is actually pretty solid for it.

SmashinBobJun 2, 20182 votes

No, lucian doesnt benefit for the proc, 90% of the time the ult will be used to secure the kill or to clear the wave, not really to start the fight.

OtterlyLostJun 2, 20181 votes

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Lucian is actually pretty solid for it.

Lucian isn't solid with it. He wastes a lot of his time with it while he's ulting.

My Waifu VanillaJun 2, 20181 votes

Read the item. Please. Read it. The 10 second buff starts on your first auto attack after ulting.

OtterlyLostJun 2, 20181 votes

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Read the item. Please. Read it. The 10 second buff starts on your first auto attack after ulting.

Even still, who is alive after an MF finishes ulting? What Lucian uses his ult at the start of the fight? None; they use it while kiting back or as a finishing move. They don't use it in the middle of a fight and then keep fighting aftwards.

MimrJun 2, 20184 votes

ER is just broken as fuck and should be reverted in a hotfix. Way too many idiotic interactions with way too many champions.

VemiraJun 1, 20182 votes

It's best on master yi, period.

KFCeytronJun 1, 20182 votes

Rengar

SquishieJun 2, 20181 votes

Hello item 3095

Mighty MorteinJun 2, 20181 votes

Have you seen Yi with Essence Reaver? Feels like the fucker barely leaves alpha. It's ridiculous. Doublestrikes and Guinsoos make Essence reaver Yi just that much stronger.

Ariel the CruelJun 2, 20181 votes

I should test this on Karma .