The reasoning behind why Anivia's 2 ability combo is so much more out of hand than other mid's

Hibeki··1 votes·725 views

I could name a plethora of mid laners than in two abilities can chunk an insane amount of health. Just off the top of my head Nidalee Viktor Veigar . And that's fine.

The problem with the anivia combo is there's literally no counterplay.

People developed the R after E to signify even less counterplay in reaction time, and it to be more accurate because you literally just drop it on top of them. The problem is there is absolutely no counterplay to E.

You can't dodge the extra damage, because the catalyst isn't there yet. She can put it a single frame before the ability hits, doesn't matter, there's nothing to dodge.

The cooldown on it is so low that you cant punish it, you're already at half health, going in means by the time you want to back off it's up again.

It's a point and click decent range fast travel speed spell. The catalyst is an instant cast aoe placement that brings the entire combo down to absolutely no counterplay.

You can't even spellshield it. She just places the R so that it gets an extra tick, and the first tick procs the spell shield.

There is literally zero counterplay to this combo other than "Don't be in range" which is NOT COUNTERPLAY. You can make a champion that INSTANTLY KILLS PEOPLE on melee auto with .1 attack speed, staying out of range still isn't balanced counterplay. That's literally everyone in the game.

Even the champions I listed there is counterplay. Veigar has two delayed AOE's, a skillshot, and his ult. Well you can't avoid his ult, you just have to spellshield or tank it. But you can properly avoid W and E and sidestep the skillshot.

Viktor has the Vector casting, so it's gonna be difficult to dodge, but you can. Q's full damage requires it to be hit and auto attack, but it is point and click, and his R is instant place AOE, but it also doesn't have an 8 second cooldown.

Nidalee (As much as I fucking hate her) has to hit a slow moving narrow skillshot, then risk her life by jumping into melee range with her mobility to get the kill.

Anivia, you just do....nothing. There's literally nothing you can do to avoid her combo besides not being in range. She has to mess it up herself.

8 Comments

Retard Slayer2 votes

Yet she still has such a low playrate even though Bronzies are complaining about her. Most of the people complaining about her haven't even played her to know that she's a mid laner that gets absolutely shit on in lane if you know how to play against her. She has no reliable wave clear before level 6 while most mages can pretty much push her in at level 3 while she gets poked down. Hell, even melee laners can push her in. Even at level 6 without blue, she will oom herself if she constantly attempts to push back the lane while also trying to harass her lane opponent. You guys literally have no idea how ridiculous her mana costs are to claim that she's some god laner. If you aren't retarded before level 6, you can push her in and there's absolutely nothing she can do about it. Land a Q that is one of the slowest skillshots in the game? Lol okay. Also, she has absolutely 0 escapes. This means you have to actually position yourself properly. She definitely has weaknesses you can exploit as long as you actually take time to think about her relative position vs'es yours.

LitAF2 votes

Counterplay is that she is extremely immobile and squishy. Also item 3157 and item 3156 helps

Retard Slayer2 votes

People are also forgetting that E is her only reliable source of damage before having to cast off her ult and wait to reposition it to get a chance to kill a carry. Literally all you need to do is position properly against her or if you're also a mage use Zhonyas to cancel her damage then shit on her. Also any light CC will pretty much deactivate her ult and make her useless for the next few seconds. She has SOOO many blatant weaknesses that people can exploit, but rather than doing that, just have the hoard of Bronzie/Silver autists come to the forums and complain about it.

Hibeki1 votes

bump

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

the idea that there is no counterplay is accurate

however your post is badly written and you kindof overreach with your comparisons lol

Hibeki1 votes

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the idea that there is no counterplay is accurate

however your post is badly written and you kindof overreach with your comparisons lol

The post isn't written badly, it's an explanation of why it's the way it is. No inside bias from me, and the comparisons show that the champions who have abilities that kill you with just two of them have proper counterplay for their styles.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

:3 but did you consider your audience...

Dominick Destine1 votes

Magic resist. Positioning. Enemy cooldown awareness. Mobility. Silence.

Oh yeah, there is NO counter-play to Anivia /s Though I have to admit that while writing this, I decided to check her win rate/pick rate and they're both disproportionately high so who knows, I am willing to acknowledge that her numbers might need some tweaking.

https://champion.gg/champion/Anivia/Middle Win rate 54.4% Pick rate 5.6%

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