Can we buff/change black cleaver please? Or nerf trinity a bit?

XJ99999999999999·1/22/2020, 3:21:48 AM·5 votes·2,909 views

It is insane to me that even a champion like Sett is seeing higher winrates going trinity force, which is 700 gold more, over an item that is designed for him that is Black Cleaver.

Black Cleaver was made to be what every AD melee/bruiser would want. To shred armor, deal more damage with physical damage skills, and move faster.

However, trinity just deals more damage, even with one sheen proc, as no one builds armor and Black cleaver has lots so much gold value over the years. It went from 30% armor shred to 24% armor shred and saw no adjustment to the gold price. Why was this done? Was it just because lucien was abusing it? That's all I remember when they nerfed this item.

Why not make black cleaver melee only, and give it something more, maybe a new effect and a bit more gold, but just something to make it better.

It is shocking that champions that don't even have mana or can barely proc it that often, such as Sett/Garen, are benefitting from this item more than a black cleaver would. To me, this is a huge balance issue and shows the lack of item diversity and that perhaps trinity force is overtuned.

25 Comments

Xavanic1/22/2020, 3:52:56 AM3 votes

its because armor/mr are basically garbage rn

ŚtrongMental1/22/2020, 4:39:29 AM2 votes

Please make a video about this! would watch 100%

Eedat1/22/2020, 5:33:28 AM2 votes

I vote buff BC. How many time did they nerf it because of Lucian instead of just nerfing Lucian

Freeza with an I1/22/2020, 5:23:54 AM1 votes

The issue is IMO, BC is a good item but it can never be actually a fully great choice because it allows ranged champs to use it.

If it was Melee only, it would eliminate the lethality MF building it and instantly getting bruiser stats with no real downside.

IMelchorI1/22/2020, 9:33:40 AM1 votes

they could give cleaver a bonus effect for melee champions only when it stacks full but still allow ranged to buy it so urgot doesnt cry.

Jaspers1/22/2020, 10:13:09 AM1 votes

I think this is an issue with the champs not TF or BC which haven't changed for a while.

Garen builds it too as his main item, he's manaless Garen spending 1100 gold on mana he doesn't need because the passive and how he works with is it too good then crit PD and yet it's still the main build over BC and Steraks.

Nerfing TF will just hurt champs like Yorick or GP who nearly reply on it because it's flavour of the month for some manaless Juggernauts.

So buffing BC should be the way to go, a little more AD maybe, nothing that hurts already non-existant tanks.

D3m37r11/23/2020, 1:48:30 AM1 votes

Everyone is squishy now so there's no point in building item 3071 anymore.