Smoke Screen (W) cooldown lowered from 26/24/22/20/18 to 24/22/20/18/16 slow increased from 15/20/25/30/35% to 70% at all ranks
Hello? Riot? Are you there?
I get Graves isn't doing super great right now but of all of the things you could do, WHY do you choose to add a 70% slow to one of the most infuriating debuffs in the game?
Spideraxe92 votesJust dropping the fact that Riot also changed its slow duration from 1.5 to .5 seconds, so keep that in mind
General Esdeath 1 votesWhich is even worse, it should be used to force a re position since they can't see you.
Electro52212 votesI would disagree. Most aggressive junglers have some sort of slow that's decently strong, but doesn't last too long. This is all so they can at least catch up to their target, but allow their target to get away.
Riot is just embracing his playstyle now.
General Esdeath 2 votesThey are, but I'd rather he have something to make him a viable top
An Undead brat9 votesNo thanks.
General Esdeath 2 votesWhy not? I like champs being able to do 2 roles.
An Undead brat8 votesNothing against champs playing two roles.
ALOT against Graves top when strong - as every ranged toplaner. With mobility. And inbuilt tankiness. And retarded sustain with Doran's blade and how lifesteal on him works.
General Esdeath 2 votesThen that sounds like a problem with ranged champs as a whole. Maybe we should change ALL of them instead of just one.
An Undead brat13 votesHow? To melee?
PATCH NOTES: Gnar fell on his head and forgot how to throw a boomerang, so now he only uses it to smash stuff.
Quinn's crossbow stopped working so she now stabbs you with her bolts.
Smoking is only a gate to other drugs, so naturally Graves started using meth. Now he's not able to lift his gun anymore so he just punches you. He no longer has abilities because we censor all smoke ingame now.
General Esdeath 2 votesngl that gave me a chuckle, but I was referring to certain items being abused by ranged champs and melee champs getting no bonus from them.
Anu3isII1 votes-10 AD to all AD ranged champions can be a start... kinda drastic, but they deal too much damage too early.
Dying Instinct3 votesGraves is one of the very few jungler's that doesnt have strong CC. The only other I can think of is Kha'Zix, and his W is from my experience much easier to hit in ganks. The W changes will probably make early ganks slightly easier for Graves and embrace his burst playstyle. You can't just slow them super hard and kill them, you need to get your slow off and then burst them quickly before the slow wears off.
I Avian4 votesOnly other you can think of is Kha?
"Wuju hit your head on? You forget about me?"
CC = good pick?
"I have CC but I'm still a troll pick"
Anu3isII1 votesBy strong CC I think he means hard CC, which are Stuns, Snares, Knock-ups etc, which Nunu lacks.
And, imo, Yi is very weak right now, to the point where I doubt he is viable at all...
Dying Instinct1 votesYi is another good example. As for Nunu, I consider him above Kha, Yi and Graves in CC because
Yi is interesting, since he lacks any form of CC. Then again, he is pretty damn garbage anywhere above Silver.
Dying Instinct1 votesDoesn't it seem convinient to leave out the fact that while they did double the slow strength the duration is now one third of what it was?
Spideraxe3 votesThe change was a bit harder to scrape for us so we honestly didn't know till Riot AzuBK mentioned it on Reddit
FakeGravity1 votesanother case where ppl dont quote the whole changes i think this makes it so graves can stick to you for one more shot after using smokescreen but is much easier to run away from him right after?
Smitty Manjensen37 votesThe duration was lowered from 1.5 to 0.5 so that will affect it also.
Azteryz6 votesthis makes it a good overall change imo
Smitty Manjensen4 votesthis makes it a good overall change imo
I definitely agree, people tend to immediately scream when they see a change, it's better to wait until they say it's not WiP anymore on Surrenderat20.
THE RlVER KlNG20 votesWtf that makes his ganks even more stupid
Bârd22 votesYeah it's a pretty strong slow...
for half a second.
OP conveniently forgot that bit.
SangreDeNoche1 votesYeah it's a pretty strong slow...
for half a second.
OP conveniently forgot that bit.
Cooldown also reduced, you both forgot about that :P
Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votesBy 2 seconds. Really that's a buff but an irrelevant one to the overall effect of the spell. Evelynn's charm is on a lower CD at level 1 and it's a better ganking tool.
Terozu1 votesThey also buffed that , but that was more of a bugfix. :b
ModAcademy Kayn6 votesWould you rather give him more damage? And it's duration is cut by 2/3rds anyways.
AmenPerson6 votesSmoke Screen (W)
Cooldown lowered from 26/24/22/20/18 to 24/22/20/18/16 Slow increased from 15/20/25/30/35% to 70% at all ranks Slow duration lowered from 1.5 seconds to .5 seconds
Cronofuge5 votesI got a great idea for how to bring graves back, make him an adc again.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesI always played reworked Graves in the bot lane and I think that these changes make it a bit easier again.
His Q (which you max first) costs less mana in higher ranks and the attached 70% slow on rank 1 W will make it easier to engage on the enemy team.
Will probably not be meta anyway, but I appreciate the changes.
Cronofuge3 votesI always played reworked Graves in the bot lane and I think that these changes make it a bit easier again.
His Q (which you max first) costs less mana in higher ranks and the attached 70% slow on rank 1 W will make it easier to engage on the enemy team.
Will probably not be meta anyway, but I appreciate the changes.
Respectable, I never had success with reworked graves in bot except when he was blatantly overpowered. I just loved old adc graves, the mafia skin had such a smooth AA animation. With solid abilities and a 70% AS buff dash that had it's CD lowered by auto attacking he actually had a really good right click build that was overshadowed by pen builds in later seasons. Riot reworked him because Lucian occupied a similar playstyle but I don't enjoy playing Lucian but I really liked Graves. Lucian is a slick outplay type champ but graves was a beefy bursty adc with a nice right-click fallback game.
I just want my champion back rito [sg-soraka]
HarrowR3 votesSomeone understands me,Graves was my absolute favorite champ in league ever,so unfair they changed him just cause a LATTER adc had similar playstyle,why not change lucian,why even make lucian if you thought its too similar of a playstyle
Eedat4 votesThis is way better than giving him more damage
vgamedude3 votesHonestly Graves seems pretty atrocious right now I highly doubt this will make him broken.
statelesskiller3 votes70% hard slow at level 3. this is almost as powerful as a gangplank 5 point barrel which is a 80% slow. you tell me if it wont be REALLY GOOD
vgamedude18 votesHes at 43rd out of 47 as far as JG winrate goes. I highly doubt a slow is going to make him Jarvan tier.
It's hilarious how these forums are filled with people downvoting my original remark when it's literally just objective fact. How is 43rd out of 47th not "pretty atrocious". I'm sure the forum would be able to explain that.
statelesskiller5 votesit doesnt need to be jarvan tier. it just neds to be "hey i can give my botlane double kills every minute because the enemy cant run away" tier.
vgamedude5 votesdude the smoke bomb is super tiny. It's not going to be nearly as bad as you think.
JackMcSnipeyz5 votesIf you cant run away from a small 0.5 seconds slow zone, then you need to get better bro, and you have much bigger junglers to fear, you know, ones with actual CC.
I Avian2 votesIt's the solo lanes that should be more concerned I think with the change. If two people are standing that close together that Graves can get them both with one improved smoke bomb, they need to possibly start using their heads.
ZeroAgainst5 votesHes at 43rd out of 47 as far as JG winrate goes. I highly doubt a slow is going to make him Jarvan tier.
It's hilarious how these forums are filled with people downvoting my original remark when it's literally just objective fact. How is 43rd out of 47th not "pretty atrocious". I'm sure the forum would be able to explain that.
this fourm thought olaf with a 30% winrate was balanced lmao
Hammermancer13 votes70% hard slow at level 3. this is almost as powerful as a gangplank 5 point barrel which is a 80% slow. you tell me if it wont be REALLY GOOD
Yeeah because the 80% slow is the main thing about the barrel
not the damage
not the pen
not the everything about
MooooooooreDakka3 votesI believe he was comparing the buffed slow to a slow people can recognize rather than saying that they are basically the same ability
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Smoke Screen (W) cooldown lowered from 26/24/22/20/18 to 24/22/20/18/16 slow increased from 15/20/25/30/35% to 70% at all ranks
Hello? Riot? Are you there?
I get Graves isn't doing super great right now but of all of the things you could do, WHY do you choose to add a 70% slow to one of the most infuriating debuffs in the game?
It's better than just giving him more damage
hotarse3 votesDude, that skill is one of the weakest and least satisfying to use in the game. Giving it a harder slow will give it more impact, but I think it needs a little more to it too. Imagine getting hit with a smoke grenade. Should have a mini-stun component to it like Riven's.
mikemcparty4 votesA stun and a 70% slow? Are you high?
Danjeng1 votesI still think that's just a tad bit underwhelming. I think adding a bit of % hp DoT and armor shred too could help it out.
mikemcparty1 votesAdding an attack speed steroid to graves for every person, including teammates in the smokescreen.
Kingdom Corn2 votesThe problem with graves is that he needs attack speed to clear the jungle and everything in precesion tree is shit for him. So I agree that adding a slow on his w is stupid but not because its super op but because its the wrong way to actually fix him.
CatSith2 votesYou forgot to mention the slow duration was reduced from 1.5 to .5 seconds.
