This is why support is unplayable;

Dominick Destine·Jul 12, 2016·8 votes·1,248 views

I WANT to play support. I don't want for games to be impossible to win if I don't carry. I don't want to get stuck supporting people that are boosted. I don't want support to be a death sentence. I want to play support .... I don't want to lose, therefore support is unplayable.

And it is especially annoying because support is more fun than ever, it's just not viable... by the way this would not be the case if dynamic queue didn't exist.

Edit: What I want is for Solo Queue to be implemented and for the support role to be made slightly more meaningful... or at the very least, remove all boosted players from ranked.

64 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerJul 12, 20166 votes

And you are expecting yourself as Janna, a support not meant to do damage in the slightest, to do a lot of damage why exactly?

And I fail to see how you sucking on support would change just because someone couldn't queue with more people anymore.

Dominick DestineJul 12, 20162 votes

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And you are expecting yourself as Janna, a support not meant to do damage in the slightest, to do a lot of damage why exactly?

I never made such a statement.

Best strawman argument 2016.

I fail to see how you sucking on support

/deep breath Moderators, do you see this? if I destroy this person that is directly attacking me, you will delete my comment. You would also never let me get away with saying what he said.

I will be as diplomatic as moderators demand that I must be; I am currently a platinum level player, I have been diamond in multiple seasons, my stats are **thoroughly **superior to yours across the board and have been for at least this season and the previous one.

I do not "suck on support" and your statement that I do is unfounded to say the least; I in fact do very well. Here are my average stats at platinum level http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=dominickdestine

I'll admit I'm a terrible ADC, but a superb support and jungler.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 12, 20167 votes

Then why the hell are you showing screenshots of the damage charts as one of your sparse arguments in this post?

A picture is worth a thousand words, so yes, you did make such a statement.

Dominick DestineJul 12, 20162 votes

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Then why the hell are you showing screenshots of the damage charts as one of your sparse arguments in this post?

This was to demonstrate the difference in the level of skill between my teammates and the enemy team.

If you think only score matters, you'd be mistaken... damage taken and damage dealt are also major factors when it comes to determining whether someone did poorly or not. I really dislike that I can't respond to your attacks against me, moderation here is very unfair.

yes, you did make such a statement.

No I did not.

Doubling down on your strawman argument speaks poorly of you.

BeatzBoyFTWJul 12, 20164 votes

This was to demonstrate the difference in the level of skill between my teammates and the enemy team.

If you think only score matters, you'd be mistaken... damage taken and damage dealt are also major factors when it comes to determining whether someone did poorly or not. I really dislike that I can't respond to your attacks against me, moderation here is very unfair.

Still trying to understand what the heck you're saying here. So you're saying if Janna's damage was higher than your teammates, it means Support is balanced or OP? What...?

And I meant solely on the Damage Dealt only.

EnvironmentalistJul 12, 20164 votes

This ^ Aside from being offended by a non-offensive statement, this guy said it.

EnvironmentalistJul 12, 20165 votes

What did I just read? How is an entire role not viable? I main support. I love support. I win as support. A week ago I was on an 11 game win streak ONLY playing support. Not to be a dick, but maybe YOU'RE not good enough to win as support. Don't blame an entire role because you can't pull it together for your team.

Dominick DestineJul 12, 20161 votes

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Not to be a dick, but maybe YOU'RE not good enough to win as support. Don't blame an entire role because you can't pull it together for your team.

Moderators, can you please be fair? just this once? these people are in violation of the summoner code. Attacking me personally is not something that is acceptable according to the universal rules.

Ok that being said, again; I am currently a Platinum level player with very good support statistics and I have been Diamond multiple seasons prior to this one. I will not refer to your stats but let me just say, you insulting my skill is a very bad argument to make.

EnvironmentalistJul 12, 20164 votes

I'm insulting your skill based on your original post, so I'd say it was a just assumption. What about the 4 support wins previous to your Janna game? Those went well. I mean, your Janna game was good too. 42 wards in 35 minutes is magnificent. KDA is fine. What exactly are you complaining about?

Dominick DestineJul 12, 20161 votes

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I'm insulting your skill

Stopped reading right there.

Sigh. I have had posts deleted for MUCH less than what you've said.

EnvironmentalistJul 12, 20165 votes

I feel like you're someone who should watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo #offendedbyeverything

CrazFight Jul 12, 20164 votes

If your going to complain so much then stop playing support X_X

OleandervineJul 12, 20162 votes

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If your going to complain so much then stop playing support X_X

This is not the way to approach this. You NEED support mains. If you don't have support mains, your queue times are astronomical.

CrazFight Jul 12, 20164 votes

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This is not the way to approach this. You NEED support mains. If you don't have support mains, your queue times are astronomical.

I don't really care for queue times.

Dominick DestineJul 12, 20162 votes

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If your going to complain so much then stop playing support X_X

Oh don't worry, I don't intend to play support again, at least not for a very long time.

The role is unplayable.

UmioJul 12, 20162 votes

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Oh don't worry, I don't intend to play support again, at least not for a very long time.

The role is unplayable.

I hear you on this. I was climging B5 up to B1 and was almost to silver promos - I think most games Ive been stuck with VAYNES as my adc - and they dont know how to kite [ why are they even playing vayne ] My last vayne in ranked was lv 2 and hadnt even played ranked with vayne before. Needless to say ANOTHER loss. I think Im just going to start playing ADC and playing as if I dont even have a support bot lane with me. The game is actually easier to play if you take the mentality that you are in a 1v5 game - because nobody has your back in this game . . .

And when someone does have your back [like when I support for an adc] they dont even know game basics but are still playing in the ranked queue . .

MeriipuJul 12, 20162 votes

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I hear you on this. I was climging B5 up to B1 and was almost to silver promos - I think most games Ive been stuck with VAYNES as my adc - and they dont know how to kite [ why are they even playing vayne ] My last vayne in ranked was lv 2 and hadnt even played ranked with vayne before. Needless to say ANOTHER loss.

welll you can essentially play almost whatever you want in bronze and it will most of the time be fine

GirardJul 12, 20164 votes

And it is especially annoying because support is more fun than ever, it's just not viable... by the way this would not be the case if dynamic queue didn't exist.

Support is viable, if you hate it as much as it sounds like you do, go play something else. You don't play the role to DPS or assasinate, you are playing to _support _ other players. They get the damage, the kill potential, and fame, you get jack squat. (kidding, you get the recognition and satisfaction of winning from a good team.)

If you want to play support, because maybe I have you figured wrong by thinking you hate it, go join up with a ranked team and get in voice chat because that is where support shines and not in a ranked with randoms or premades you aren't a part of.

Support is fun. Support is viable. I'm not really sure how this became another post about Dynamic Queue but that had nothing to do with it, you would have had a bad experience regardless of how or what you played if you play this kind of class in team based games with randies.

Arcane AzmadiJul 12, 20162 votes

You know, I was expecting to hate this post, but no I actually completely agree with OP.

I'm a support main too, and being a support main sucks. You're basically forfeiting your ability to make meaningful contributions to your team on your own. Support is an enhancement role- that's why it's called SUPPORT. If your team is bad, you as the support are helpless. Putting a good support on a bad team is like pouring a really nice mushroom sauce over a charred-black steak that was made from half-rotten meat- the sauce may be nice, but you're still gonna end up with a bad case of the shits.

Support is an essential role that needs to be filled, but it's a thankless job where you're gambling your victory defeat not on your own skills, but on those of your teammates. Sure, this is something inherent to EVERY game of LoL, but the fundamental difference is that a support cannot carry, at least not by playing as a support. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a god-damned liar. If your team is bad, you can do all the perfect warding, peeling, initiating etc you want, they're still going to fuck up and waste your efforts and because you don't do large amounts of solo DAMAGE you can't carry. Supports do not make solo plays- they set up plays for their team, and if their team is shit they're helpless.

The closest you can get to a "carry support" is picking something like Karma or Brand, realising that your ADC is a brainless trash noob who you're wasting your efforts on, and just start taking all the CS for yourself so you can build enough damage to carry in their place. This is technically bad support play (and will probably drive your noob ADC to afk), so it should be an act of last resort.

Seriously, I love playing support. It's my best role and it fits my personal style perfectly. But when you get stuck supporting someone so bad they literally shouldn't even be allowed to play, you know true agony. The only reason I keep playing support anyway is because the sheer number of "supports" who pick Lux or Malphite then build straight AP or tank without even pretending they're actually a motherfucking support and not a 0-CS mid/top-laner makes me physically sick. You know what they say, if you want something done right...

Dominick DestineJul 12, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcane Azmadi,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Edt2fqle,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-07-12T06:30:52.086+0000)

Seriously, I love playing support. It's my best role and it fits my personal style perfectly. But when you get stuck supporting someone so bad they literally shouldn't even be allowed to play, you know true agony. The only reason I keep playing support anyway is because the sheer number of "supports" who pick Lux or Malphite then build straight AP or tank without even pretending they're actually a motherfucking support and not a 0-CS mid/top-laner makes me physically sick. You know what they say, if you want something done right...

I understand exactly where you are coming from.

That's also why I started playing support... I keep seeing people play support so incredibly wrong that I am forced to basically say "If I don't do it, it won't be done properly", even people playing 'correctly' (Picked support, bought sightstone) but just didn't ever ward or were trying to get kills, this is insanely common and eventually I started to enjoy it but this season seems to be the worst for playing support if you want to win. So yeah we're on the same page.

OryiahJul 14, 20162 votes

I just won like 11 games straight in ranked playing mainly support.

Also, don't play Janna if you want to carry.

Dominick DestineJul 14, 20161 votes

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don't play Janna if you want to carry.

I'm surprised how common it is for low ranked players to completely fail to understand my point; My point is, I do NOT want to carry, but more to the point, I do not want to HAVE to carry if I want to win. I want to play Janna and win without being forced to somehow carry my team.

OryiahJul 14, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Edt2fqle,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2016-07-14T18:31:34.831+0000)

I'm surprised how common it is for low ranked players to completely fail to understand my point; My point is, I do NOT want to carry, but more to the point, I do not want to HAVE to carry if I want to win. I want to play Janna and win without being forced to somehow carry my team.

There is absolutely no reason to bring up the fact that I am or anyone else here has a low rank to prove your point. It just tells me you have your head up your own ass.

Regardless if you want or do not want to have to carry, don't pick Janna and then whine to all of us that support isn't a "viable" choice to win games. Play a different role or queue with friends who can carry you.

Dominick DestineJul 14, 20161 votes

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There is absolutely no reason to bring up the fact that I am or anyone else here has a low rank

When you make bronze level statements like "Don't play janna if you want to carry" then you will be treated as what your rank indicates. A Diamond player wouldn't say such a thing because we understand that support is necessary and if support is not viable, then there is a serious problem.

It's not complicated.

Mysticman89Jul 14, 20161 votes

I carry all the time as Janna, it's just not carrying via doing damage, it's carrying by denying the enemy team kills and making my carries do a buttload of damage.

OryiahJul 14, 20161 votes

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I carry all the time as Janna, it's just not carrying via doing damage, it's carrying by denying the enemy team kills and making my carries do a buttload of damage.

That's awesome! Maybe you can teach OP to do the same so he will stop whining.

QweraRandolphzJul 12, 20161 votes

Thats because you picked Janna which is reactionary, to make plays and carry you need to be the aggressor - play something like leona with ignite and you'll roll through some low elo botlanes

Poll: http://www.pvpdatabase.com/?p=1090

Dominick DestineJul 12, 20161 votes

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Thats because you picked Janna which is reactionary, to make plays and carry you need to be the aggressor - play something like leona with ignite and you'll roll through some low elo botlanes

That's nice that you offer suggestions but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing when it comes to support.

QweraRandolphzJul 12, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Edt2fqle,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-07-12T03:50:25.431+0000)

That's nice that you offer suggestions but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing when it comes to support.

trust me im an adc main - if u master the right supports (blitz, thresh, leo, braum) u can hardcarry any adc and lead ur team to victory

Dominick DestineJul 12, 20162 votes

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trust me im an adc main - if u master the right supports (blitz, thresh, leo, braum) u can hardcarry any adc and lead ur team to victory

I'm getting very tired of bronze players (so far 3 in this thread alone) trying to tell me, a Diamond player, how to play support.

MrWasjigJul 14, 20162 votes

I think you misspelled "Platinum". [slayer-jinx-wink]

Dominick DestineJul 14, 20161 votes

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I think you misspelled "Platinum".

Nope, Diamond.

Not that it matters given that you are bronze thus galvanizing my point.

AMYS GRAVEJul 14, 20161 votes

You can't galvanize diamond, you can galvanize platinum.

Dominick DestineJul 14, 20161 votes

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You can't galvanize diamond, you can galvanize platinum.

..... fair enough, I don't know if that's correct but google search indicates that metallurgists (somewhat) agree with your statement.

MrWasjigJul 14, 20161 votes

Gold* Again you made a spelling error, might want to check those beforehand. Makes you more credible. As does making sure that a claim is true before making it, because your screenshots say you're Platinum. So does Lolking as it turns out, oh and op.gg as well.

Dominick DestineJul 14, 20161 votes

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Gold* Again you made a spelling error, might want to check those beforehand. Makes you more credible. As does making sure that a claim is true before making it, because your screenshots say you're Platinum. So does Lolking as it turns out, oh and op.gg as well.

Diamond Border from S5. Will be Diamond in S6.

Bronze Chaos is very far away from Diamond Pride.

MrWasjigJul 14, 20161 votes

I am in Gold first and foremost, I suggest fact checking. Secondly, you're not in Diamond. So at the moment that Diamond Pride is more like Diamond Delusion. Or Diamond Wishful Thinking. Or Diamond I'm Kidding Myself. But hey we'll see. If this thread is anything to go by I might not be so wrong with such speculation ;3 It's good to be optimistic afterall.

Dominick DestineJul 14, 20161 votes

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I am in Gold

Anything below Diamond is the same.

MrWasjigJul 14, 20161 votes

Then welcome to the club.

RagingRocketJul 12, 20161 votes

I would suggest to play carry supports like brand,sona and zyra so you can carry games with your aoe damage at teamfights rather than playing utility supports that require good communication with the adc and if you want to play utility supports more you can go premade with a friend or someone you can trust and have good communication.I hope this comment will help you and not offend you like all the other comments.Also i am not 100% main at any role so you can correct me if you want.

Arcane AzmadiJul 13, 20162 votes

It's a nice idea, but playing a "carry support" like Brand or Zyra and expecting to actually carry is pretty useless on a support's budget. Hell, those 2 are played as supports because of their CC, (Sear and Grasping Roots/Stranglethorns) not their damage, because after the first few levels a support Brand is, damage-wise, no better than a really far behind midlane Brand. Like a midlane Brand that's gone 0/6 behind. Add in the fact that you HAVE to divert part of your already-limited income to a Sightstone (unless you're just bad- and no, this is not a point of discussion, if you're support and don't buy Sightstone you're bad, end of story) and you're just a third-rate midlaner. Also, Sona is by no means a "carry support". At her best she's been a lane bully who drops off into an ult-bot in the late game. We'll wait and see if the recent changes will make any difference to her, but I seriously doubt it since Riot are nerfing her bases and buffing her ratios out of some delusion that supports buy hundreds of AP anywhere outside of the lowest pits of Bronze.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you CANNOT carry from the support position if your team is bad! Not unless you completely abandon being a support at all and just start farming up instead! "Carrying" requires you to get fed and be AHEAD, while being support automatically puts you BEHIND by definition! If you, the support, are the most fed player on your team, your team is fucking doomed anyway. If you're NOT the most fed player on your team, how the hell are you going to "carry" where your more-fed teammates can't? This is simple logic, people!

dark100dark100Jul 14, 20161 votes

I play solo supp, and there is truth in his words.

I don't want for games to be impossible to win if I don't carry. - frequently happens. the matchmaking system needs a lower MMR team than your MMR, and adds unskilled players to get the average I don't want to get stuck supporting people that are boosted. - when the adc is useless, a supp game is awful. Many players don't even know how to clear minion waves, get last hit, etc. Regardless of boost. I don't want to lose - supp are easy pray for the matchmaking system to make 45% win ratio. You just added to a bad team, and you get the loss what the matchmaking wants. To keep everybody happy or something like that.

Dominick DestineJul 14, 20161 votes

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I don't want to get stuck supporting people that are boosted. - when the adc is useless, a supp game is awful.

That's the biggest problem.

OryiahJul 14, 20161 votes

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That's the biggest problem.

I have to carry bad adcs all the time. It is possible. But I guess my experiences are irrelevant because I'm a "low ranked." I can't wait until I'm a big girl and I can get on the forums and complain to strangers and be taken seriously xD

VivaLaKittenJul 14, 20161 votes

you can't blame the support role for your teammates not carrying you in games sometimes you'll get good teamwork, other times you won't

also, solo queue has nothing to do with this

Dominick DestineJul 14, 20161 votes