Heimerdinger's Ultimate should not share Cooldowns with his basic abilities

Kowe The Ewok·Oct 29, 2014·4 votes·932 views

Reference: Rengar (Ferocity). When Rengar's Ferocity is full he can use the upgrade of his ability, even if the basic ability is on Cooldown. Now: Heimerdinger. He CAN'T use his ULTIMATE (upgrade of his ability) if the basic ability is on cooldown.

Result: You basically must not poke before teamfights as Heimerdinger - because you run into danger of not being able to use your ultimate.

PLEASE, make Heimerdinger's ultimate have independant cooldown...

7 Comments

1st HanarSpectreOct 29, 20144 votes

So you want Heimer to have a 1156 (+ 273% AP) + 324 (+ 93% AP) burst with double missiles? That's just insane.

Kowe The EwokOct 29, 20141 votes

So you want Heimer to have a 1156 (+ 273% AP) + 324 (+ 93% AP) burst with double missiles? That's just insane.

Too bad that these values are horribly wrong since targets who get hit more than once get reduced damage. maximums caling is 1.83 http://de.leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Heimerdinger

Max damage Heimer ult+W: 500 / 690 / 865 (+183% AP) (Has to be pin point accurate since rockets will splitt again. Max damage Syndra ult (No skillshot, simple point and click): 630 / 975 / 1260 (+ 140% AP) Has additional 0.69+0.7+0.4 on her other abilities which DON'T share cooldowns but have MUCH lower CD than heimer's abilities.

So, now we have his correct values and some actual context ;)

1st HanarSpectreOct 30, 20141 votes

So you want Heimer to have a 1156 (+ 273% AP) + 324 (+ 93% AP) burst with double missiles? That's just insane.

Too bad that these values are horribly wrong since targets who get hit more than once get reduced damage. maximums caling is 1.83 http://de.leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Heimerdinger

Max damage Heimer ult+W: 500 / 690 / 865 (+183% AP) (Has to be pin point accurate since rockets will splitt again. Max damage Syndra ult (No skillshot, simple point and click): 630 / 975 / 1260 (+ 140% AP) Has additional 0.69+0.7+0.4 on her other abilities which DON'T share cooldowns but have MUCH lower CD than heimer's abilities.

So, now we have his correct values and some actual context ;)

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Heimerdinger

The english league wiki list it as what I posted. Syndra is also not a good comparison since she needs a nerf, and she also needs time to put her balls on the ground.

PredatoratorOct 29, 20142 votes

Because heimerdinger it's so hard to use..

OrbvOct 29, 20142 votes

I'd be fine if only his grenades reset because his ulted grenades DO NOT damage champions multiple times. They damage minions multiple times, but it has been bugged since a month after his rework. It used to hurt them twice if it bounced on them again. Now there is a chance for the enemy to take damage with the first hit and stunned with the second...but no damage. Why is this?

WheatloafOct 29, 20141 votes

Letting him double-up on his W or E would just be too ridiculous.

doubleguacOct 29, 20141 votes

His Q doesn't share cooldowns. His E and W share cooldowns because stacking them would be crazy. With E stack, he could chain stun someone for nearly 3 seconds. And with W stack, he could pretty much guaranteed 100-0 anyone he manages to land his E on in lane.

Heimer isn't designed to be a CC machine, and he's not designed to be a burst champion. His empowered E and W are meant to have an opportunity cost because they allow him to step outside his core strengths. His R-Q doesn't share a CD because low range zone control is what Heimer is designed to do--it is his core strength.