can we please revert the changes to morgana's passive

SwiftKitten88·Mar 10, 2018·10 votes·2,572 views

can we take back to 7.23?

the 7.24 passive change was a fucking abomination both before and after its "hotfix".

the only morgana that didn't get heavily nerfed from this change was "jungle" morgana. right.. because that's totally a thing riot...

lets remove her ability to heal in lane, but as compensation.. lets make her stronger vs jungle camps.. becuase that's what she fucking needed.

please for the love of... idk... revert this shit

i really don't even care about the other changes.. but PLEASE give her her old passive back...

23 Comments

RiotRiotRepertoirMar 10, 201814 votes

It's unlikely. If the stance is that it's bad that we diminished her ability to heal up by puddling every wave, that's kinda the point.

SwiftKitten88Mar 10, 20182 votes

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It's unlikely. If the stance is that it's bad that we diminished her ability to heal up by puddling every wave, that's kinda the point.

I guess is the point where i admit defeat.

because that is EXACTLY what the changes did. so if that was the purpose. then i have to say the change was indeed executed perfectly in relation to your intended effect.

anyways.. thanks for that. At least i feel less bad about the change now. even if i don't feel the nerf was necessary myself, i know that the balance team perfectly executed their desired change. And that is something that that makes be feel at least a little better.

EDIT: ok momentarily forgot they had to hotfix it... so maybe not PERFECTLY executed

ModJikkerMar 10, 20184 votes

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It's unlikely. If the stance is that it's bad that we diminished her ability to heal up by puddling every wave, that's kinda the point.

It's just a bit jerky to morg support players. She was my main support in climbing and still is my favourite. I would sustain in lane a little bit by pooling a wave, especially when we needed to shove. Now that it's only on cannon minions and champs, both of which provide little especially since champs flee your pool pretty quick, you don't last nearly as long in lane which makes it even harder against heal supports or the popular tanky supports of right now. Given Morgana is basically considered a support champ now with even recommended items saying support, she's not a Jung or common Mid, it stings to see such nerfs to her main role because she was a bit strong in an off meta area.

EROTIC RAID BOSSMar 10, 20181 votes

they can always buff morg mid and support in healthier ways, so that she cant just sustain through everything but is more powerful in a direct fight, if she needs buffs

Linna ExcelMar 10, 20182 votes

I always though she was supposed to be mainly mid to oppose kayle.

ModJikkerMar 10, 20182 votes

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I always though she was supposed to be mainly mid to oppose kayle.

She was, but she's now become a support more often than not. If you go to her recommended items, it should list support items (at least it does for me). She might be one that has two recommended, I haven't checked recently.

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they can always buff morg mid and support in healthier ways, so that she cant just sustain through everything but is more powerful in a direct fight, if she needs buffs

As a support you never just "sustained through everything" as you never had enough damage to heal the way a mid Morg would. That's why it hit support Morg harder because she wasn't just mass healing, but healing a tiny bit off of everything to keep herself going in lane. Now she heals a tiny bit off of some things, the majority of which are enemy champs that will just walk away from your pool.

VekknaMar 11, 20181 votes

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It's unlikely. If the stance is that it's bad that we diminished her ability to heal up by puddling every wave, that's kinda the point.

Meanwhile... Ahri Akali Garen Chogath Vladimir

And every AD with a vamp scepter.

HäxelMar 13, 20181 votes

Ahri has ana ctual cd and the spellcosts so using passive comes as often as a good morg can poke the enemy. Garen heals not in lane but outside of it while not in combat. Vlads whole theme is the sustain. But it is not an aoe clear at the same time. And he has not cc tools like morgana. Akali is getting her rework. And cho heal is a joke unless you count eternity passive of roa/abyssal. But morgana could go roa as well. Also runes like ravenous hunter, taste of blood or revitalize increase all sustain (morgana passive should be strenghten threw revitalize).

nm1010Mar 10, 20187 votes

Morgana mid is currently the strongest it has been in years. The new runes + mage itemization changes are absolutely insane on her. I can't talk about support Morg though.

SwiftKitten88Mar 10, 20183 votes

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Morgana mid is currently the strongest it has been in years. The new runes + mage itemization changes are absolutely insane on her. I can't talk about support Morg though.

like i said morg has always been broken mid. the reason she isnt played mid is because she isnt FUN mid... not because she isn't GOOD.

she is stupidly safe.. the issue is she is completely uninteractive, which makes her boring and play and even WORSE to face.. (its been a while since i have mid but I've been on both sides of the matchup.)

all he dones me is W the wave and walk back under tower.. and u can't DIVE a morgana... (unless u can tank about 4+ tower shots)

she remains one of the few champs in the game that is still stupid as hell to dive vs.

but as support you get to spend your whole time tring to poke them.. and u get TWO targets to choose from. and thanks to riot fucking deleting sightstone. the instant u finish item 3098 and item 1001 you get to rush a item 3157 which is one of the reason why i frequently complete the damn item before i even GET to use the item 2420 active now that it is TEN FREAKING MINUTES!!!

nm1010Mar 10, 20182 votes

like i said morg has always been broken mid.

You didn't though

** the only morgana that didn't get heavily nerfed from this change was "jungle" morgana.**

Anyway protobelt Morgana (what I played to mid diamond) was actually aggressive as hell before it got nerfed. Currently I like luden's to shove/poke and roam. After 2-3 items Q W can one shot squishies without a defensive spell. Her safety has been pretty heavily nerfed from the passive changes, but her team fight was equally buffed because of the w reset mechanic.

SwiftKitten88Mar 10, 20182 votes

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You didn't though

WELL I THOUGHT IT OK???

[sg-lulu]

NEWBS CANT EVEN READ MY MIND..[zombie-brand-facepalm]

lol anyways yeah i guess that didn't make it into the post on this particular thread, my bad

Anyway protobelt Morgana (what I played to mid diamond) was actually aggressive as hell before it got nerfed. Currently I like luden's to shove/poke and roam. After 2-3 items Q W can one shot squishies without a defensive spell. Her safety has been pretty heavily nerfed from the passive changes, but her team fight was equally buffed because of the w reset mechanic.

i care less about her mid than i do support. again becuase its not fun to play and its actually pretty damn toxic to face if i do say so myself (because how boring it makes it for the opponent, let alone any melee opponents who would take damage trying to cs) I'm not saying she is weak by any means.. I'm saying i hate the change it it was stupid. it hurt her.. ESPECIALLY in the support role where u take much more poke damage and have less ap to heal with, it didn't GUT hurt. i never said it did...

MorganFreemanBotMar 10, 20183 votes

Morgana mid was probably the least interact mid in the entire game, bar none. The combination of strong wave clear, boss sustain, magic damage absorb + status ailment immunity, and oodles of hard CC.. Meant she was an immovable object.

SwiftKitten88Mar 10, 20181 votes

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Morgana mid was probably the least interact mid in the entire game, bar none. The combination of strong wave clear, boss sustain, magic damage absorb + status ailment immunity, and oodles of hard CC.. Meant she was an immovable object.

again... which is why she is more fun support.. because after a few days of doing that you get bored out of your mind.

W wave walk under tower.. enemy gets close? Q and W him gets even closer? press R... tries to dive? E and Q and/or ulti and take free kill (rinse and repeat for 20+ min)

sure its strong as fuck... but its not fun to do over and over.. where as support its fun..

MorganFreemanBotMar 10, 20182 votes

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again... which is why she is more fun support.. because after a few days of doing that you get bored out of your mind.

W wave walk under tower.. enemy gets close? Q and W him gets even closer? press R... tries to dive? E and Q and/or ulti and take free kill (rinse and repeat for 20+ min)

sure its strong as fuck... but its not fun to do over and over.. where as support its fun..

Your request is unreasonable. You can't make an already extremely strong mid EVEN STRONGER, and in a far less healthy way, just to throw support players a bone.

Honestly, Morg needs a solid rework. She's pretty horribly oppressive with her Q and E, but also extraordinarily boring.

SwiftKitten88Mar 10, 20181 votes

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Your request is unreasonable. You can't make an already extremely strong mid EVEN STRONGER, and in a far less healthy way, just to throw support players a bone.

Honestly, Morg needs a solid rework. She's pretty horribly oppressive with her Q and E, but also extraordinarily boring.

ummm she was like that for 8 years.. not exactly sure why u think this would "break her"

Attticus FinchMar 10, 20182 votes

Because with her passive being what it is right now, she has a 53% WR mid lane.

MorganFreemanBotMar 10, 20181 votes

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ummm she was like that for 8 years.. not exactly sure why u think this would "break her"

Morgana has been pick / ban level of mid strength at numerous times in the game, but pretty much always fallen out of favor due to meta shifts rather than nerfs. Generally when AD assassins become extraordinarily strong, insane levels of mobility are mandatory, or there are no viable routes to make a mage semi beefy.

Currently she has two out of three in her favor, plus she fits perfectly into the "shove & roam" meta.

BestJhinUniverseMar 10, 20181 votes

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Morgana mid was probably the least interact mid in the entire game, bar none. The combination of strong wave clear, boss sustain, magic damage absorb + status ailment immunity, and oodles of hard CC.. Meant she was an immovable object.

Oodles of hard cc. A snare in which you can fight back in and a long delayed slow into stun. Please don't say that part ever again.

FurriesAreHotMar 10, 20182 votes

She didn’t need the sustain. It only made her even stronger. Her Spellshield allowed to her to nullify magic damage entirely in lane, effectively at least. Her Q is oppsive and often allows to her take no damage at all while dishing out a lot. She doesn’t need lane sustain on top of that.

BestJhinUniverseMar 10, 20181 votes

As unfortunate as the change is while other champs are more oppressive or uninteractive most people still say she is fine if not pretty dang good mid currently.

Her attempted forced jungling not so much and support even less.

SwiftKitten88Mar 10, 20182 votes

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As unfortunate as the change is while other champs are more oppressive or uninteractive most people still say she is fine if not pretty dang good mid currently.

Her attempted forced jungling not so much and support even less.

i play her support as her mid has always been too uninteractive, i mean sure its strong it always has been its actaully WEAKER now too.

but its REALLY annoying as support to ONLY be able to heal off the cannon minions. the additon of a free item 2419 at REALLY 6 min helped make up for that, but with it delayed until 10 min now... and losing the early hp from sightstone she is quite a bit weaker.. still perfectly viable don't get me wrong.

but this change was stupid.. benefited no one. (except maybe NB3 who has a habit of taking really strange shit into the jungle...) It was completely unnecessary and had to be HOTFIXED the same patch it was introduced.. if that wasn't enough indication that the change was stupid idk what else would be