Why is Vayne doing so well?

GlockHammer··2 votes·600 views

Shouldn't she be hurting in the current meta? Does this mean Vayne actually is both an early game champion as well as a hyperscaling monster? How do I close the game before she ramps up, that is, the 15 minute mark? To me it seems GG everytime she get's her IE. What do I build to avoid getting buttfucked by Vayne? No ammount of HP or Armor seems to be able to make me last more than 6 autos.

FeelsBad to play nonmeta tank man. I need deadmans just to catch up or have a chance of getting away, I need solar cape to be able to trade and I need Spirit Visage just to not get oneshot by mages. That's alot of gold just to be able to function.

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Nyhver3 votes

she isn't wtf

GlockHammer1 votes

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she isn't wtf

Uhm, champion.gg says she's doing more than well. Especially for a high skillcap champ.

colesy1 votes

vayne isnt a high skill cap champ

it doesnt take a genius to right click backwards and attack move

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

On what basis do you claim that Vayne doing well?

SP Dodgecity2 votes

Vayne's always strong, with dashes, movement boosts, true damage, invis, and a kncok back/stun.

Vayne's squishy and semi hard to play but she's also extremely strong in the right hands.

AlwaysByMySide3 votes

[{quoted}](name=SP Dodgecity,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EbrTs1E0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-03-16T20:56:24.226+0000)

Vayne's always strong, with dashes, movement boosts, true damage, invis, and a kncok back/stun.

Vayne's squishy and semi hard to play but she's also extremely strong in the right hands.

Vayne also has a poor laning phase and picking her is just asking to be abused and dominated early game by a Graves, Lucian, or Quinn.

She scales about as well as Twitch (but in a different way), only Twitch's power spike comes earlier.

SP Dodgecity1 votes

In no way have I ever seen a twitch be more of a threat then vayne haha.

Plus having a passive true damage ability makes it easier for vayne to build more damage oriented and less counter oriented. Her passive naturally shreds tanks and high HP champions, mix that with a Bork, or some Armor pen and you're screwed.

Its true though, she is very weak late game.. .but if you don't finish the match in the first 15 min, your chances of winning a fight go further and further down the drain.

For example, I had not only 8 kills and 30 CS advantage on a vayne, but I had been dominating our laning phase. Then vayne pops out of no where and we both burst each other.... she nearly killed me, with less items, less damage, less AS, less everything. She naturally does more damage than most champs

To me thats strong

AlwaysByMySide3 votes

[{quoted}](name=SP Dodgecity,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EbrTs1E0,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-16T21:43:41.918+0000)

In no way have I ever seen a twitch be more of a threat then vayne haha.

Plus having a passive true damage ability makes it easier for vayne to build more damage oriented and less counter oriented. Her passive naturally shreds tanks and high HP champions, mix that with a Bork, or some Armor pen and you're screwed.

Its true though, she is very weak late game.. .but if you don't finish the match in the first 15 min, your chances of winning a fight go further and further down the drain.

For example, I had not only 8 kills and 30 CS advantage on a vayne, but I had been dominating our laning phase. Then vayne pops out of no where and we both burst each other.... she nearly killed me, with less items, less damage, less AS, less everything. She naturally does more damage than most champs

To me thats strong

Twitch is a bigger threat in team fights. Vayne can melt one person at a time, Twitch melts entire teams. Twitch is probably the single strongest late game team fight ADC.

The same is true of any late game champion. If you stomp on a Yi early game, no matter how well you did, if you don't close out the game he is going to outscale basically every other jungler (at least in terms of damage).

There's more to the game than dueling. Caitlyn isn't a duelist. Vayne? Probably the best duelist among ADCs. Caitlyn is much more valuable in sieges though, due to her long range, Q, and her traps. She's also safer.

So what I'm saying is don't try to duel Vayne unless you are a duelist or an assassin. Some ADCs can potentially do it, like Quinn, but most can't 1v1 Vayne.

GlockHammer1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EbrTs1E0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-16T20:49:49.671+0000)

On what basis do you claim that Vayne doing well?

Well, "lategame champ" having nearly 52% winrate in an early game meta?

Also, game feels impossible to close post 25minutes once she's ramped up, no matter how hard you stomp her and her team. That godlike timer just feels shorter than it used to be. Also, I like to play fighers and tanks, but to me it seems no matter how fed I get I can never duel her and thus never try, this is old news however so that's not my complaint. My complaint is that her team can just turtle until she finishes IE and then it's more or less GG.

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

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Well, "lategame champ" having nearly 52% winrate in an early game meta?

Also, game feels impossible to close post 25minutes once she's ramped up, no matter how hard you stomp her and her team. That godlike timer just feels shorter than it used to be. Also, I like to play fighers and tanks, but to me it seems no matter how fed I get I can never duel her and thus never try, this is old news however so that's not my complaint. My complaint is that her team can just turtle until she finishes IE and then it's more or less GG.

http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne

She has a barely 50% win rate right now, despite the fact that Vayne players on average are second only to Draven players in terms of experience. Also, her win rate only gets to 50% after 30-35 minutes.

GlockHammer1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EbrTs1E0,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2016-03-16T21:34:59.777+0000)

http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne

She has a barely 50% win rate right now, despite the fact that Vayne players on average are second only to Draven players in terms of experience. Also, her win rate only gets to 50% after 30-35 minutes.

I read 50% after 27minutes.

Honestly, I wish they could make her least feast or famine, I cheer everytime I get a decent Vayne, they can carry like no one else, but I seem so unlucky in this.

GlockHammer1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EbrTs1E0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-16T20:49:49.671+0000)

On what basis do you claim that Vayne doing well?

52% for winrate for a "lategame champ" in early game meta? Kind of feels the same every game she's in, once her Phantomdancer/IE is complete she just wrecks everything. I know she's supposed to be strong, but she really seems to spike very hard on just two items (not counting boots). The funny part is that it's not even the true damage that bothers me, it's her massive AD steroids and massive AS/per lvl. She already builds alot of attack speed, seems kind of redundant to get so much for free as well. Wouldn't mind seeing that AS/per lvl get slightly tuned down.

GlockHammer1 votes

Well, Twitch is extremely vulnerable during laning phase and pretty easy to shut down early, Vayne isn't thanks to her condemn, spammable Q etc. What I hate about her even more is that she is always shit on my team and always faceroll when facing her. I wish Riot would stop matching me with these Gosu wannabes.

Drehirth1 votes

meh it might just be the champions you play are countered by her or something... As somebody who plays adc mostly I usually jump for joy when I see a vayne because it's almost always an easy win

GlockHammer1 votes

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meh it might just be the champions you play are countered by her or something... As somebody who plays adc mostly I usually jump for joy when I see a vayne because it's almost always an easy win

Lucky you man.

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