I don't want to quit League.

Ok sure but why··53 votes·15,430 views

It took me three hours to type all of this (with a snack break in between), but honestly, I preferred doing this than playing 6 matches and meeting 24 new people that I'd instantly hate.

I see posts all the time that just go something absurd, like, "Lol #leagueofscuttlecrab lol leaving league now bye;" no context beyond that, and no foundation beneath. That's just not it for me, though. I just feel too strongly about it. I don't want to quit this game, but I just feel more and more empty inside with each 30 minutes of my life I willingly waste in the hopes for some more sweet, sweet LP. I can feel my hands lightly trembling to the rhythm of my stressed, palpitating heart during and after each game, regardless or winning or losing. Neither outcome makes me feel good, or warm, or pleasant anymore. The serenity of a wholesome, family-friendly philosophy has been diminished to just a toxic mess where the only people that have fun are the trolls that die lots and say "Lol sorry wasn't looking; I was rolling a blunt." Ugh. Where can I start? Well, I guess I can sum it up into four main focal points of discussion, which can then be divided into sub-points. I guess. I'll start from what bugs me the least, and finish with what makes me want to unplug my laptop and hang myself from the ceiling with the cord.

#1. Bugs, Pathing, and Design choices.

A: Bugs. Man, you just can't seem to escape these little bastards, these days. Some are worse than others. My three least favourite ones are that you're not allowed to cancel empowered auto attacks (Darius's Crippling Strike, Jhin's Fourth Shot, etc.) (If this isn't a bug, then it slips into 1: C, instead), the fact that whenever you attack a large monster (especially scuttle crab), it'll just instantly regen to full health, making your first few attack pointless and wasting your time, and this one bane to my cs'ing, where minions will randomly give agro to the minion I auto'd. I'll be waiting to last-hit a minion, but no minions are attacking it. It has 81 health, and I have 78 AD. So I say, "fuck it," and I decide to auto it twice. But as soon as I auto it once, one single minion will turn around to kill it on me. Like, hello? Can you stop that????

B: Pathing. There are two different annoyances, here. One is where you're simply trying to last-hit as an ADC, but oh, no. You click on the low-health minion, and your champ decides to take three seconds walking around your own minion wave just to be in range of it. Since minions can push you around like a little bitch as if they gave you $5 beforehand. The other is with terrain. All the times there's something on the other side of a thin wall, and instead of putting a ward on that side, or attacking something over that side, your champ decides to just start walking away? Yeah, that doesn't get exponentially annoying with each game that passes by.

C: Design choices. This is the most annoying. Why does the exact pin-point of the cursor have to be on the top-left corner of the icon? When I'm trying to kite, all I see is a big, green blur swinging back and forth on my screen, and when I put that big, green blur over-top of an enemy, I expect my champ to actually attack it. But nah, the pin-point of it is on the top-left, because that's where the tip of the glove's index finger is, and that's where the point of the red sword is as well. So if I point directly at someone, there's a chance my champion will instead walk towards the point on the map slightly above and to the left of my target. Wow. Just wow. I don't fucking care about the aesthetic. I want accuracy! Give us an option to customize our cursor to anything we want!

#2. Bewilderingly Bizarre Balancing, Bronze B-liner Bullies, and Blatant Bcounterpicks.

A: Counterpicks. I tryhard in every game I play. I pretty much know the mechanics/playstyles of every single champ in the game (because I'm just that passionate about this game (and I'm a fucking nerd)), and I know how I would need to play around them in order to win. Or should I say, "whom" I would need to play, in order to play around them in order to win. Because that's what League has become. There's nothing legendary about this game; it's just League of Counterpicks.

If I'm first-pick, I'm so much more likely to personally lose than not. Surely, this applies to many of you, too. Because in those games, I'm forced to be put into positions where I'm absolutely helpless. Did I choose Darius top? Well, looks like they chose Quinn, or Kennen. Lucky me. Glad I'm forced to be completely passive and docile in lane because I'm absolutely destitute and hopeless against even trying to get in Q range of them. Did I pick Evelynn Jungle? Well, looks like they picked Morgana. How long does my predictable Charm potential last? 2.5 seconds? Good thing they now have a free spell shield that lasts for 5. Oh, good thing every single person on their team bought a Zhonya's, Banshee's Veil and three Control Wards, too. I sure haven't been rendered completely useless for the remainder of this game. I sure don't feel absolutely devastated for being wedged into a position where I'm unable to help in any way, shape, or form. Did I pick an ADC other than Xayah one single time? Well, looks like they picked Zed, again. Good thing I have a Brand support that'll do everything to keep me alive. Oh wait, he was autofilled. Oh, he's stealing my cs, too. Oh, he also does nothing to keep me alive. Oh, he was just waiting for me to die so he could steal my kills, too. Great.

B: B-liners. There are as many people that directly counter another as there are specific champions that don't even need to think in order to do well. I like to call them B-liners. Because all they need to do is walk in a straight line until the enemy is no longer able to kite or run away. You know, pieces or shit like Warwick, or Garen, or Udyr. They don't need to think like you do. Nooo, all they need to do is buy enough armour in the hopes they can chase you down and swiftly 1-shot you. As they build full armour. Were you kiting that Warwick as an ADC? Well, good thing your autofilled Lux support can't land her Q to save her 19 LP. Now, he can just press E, keep sprinting up to you, and boom. You're basically dead, now. Oh wait, you flashed before his fear could hit you? You've almost killed him, now? Oh, he just pressed R. Good thing you no longer have flash, because you're now back within hugging distance, unable to move, and he just gained nearly all of his health back. Yay. Now, he's super fast, you're super low, and none of your abilities are able to save your sorry ADC ass. Sure, they can be countered by a team that knows how to peel. I'd sure as hell love to be in an ELO where that exists.

C: Balancing conundrums. You know how sometimes, you have to work extra hard to outplay enemies? Some champions don't have to work hard at all. They're like B-liners, but they don't even need to B-line in order to be obnoxious.

I. Illaoi? It doesn't matter who or where you are. She's a ranged juggernaut. A tanky AD mage. Just think about that. Think about it. Use your brain. If you go out of your way to simply try to last-hit a cannon minion, be prepared to either not hit the cannon minion, or lose 110 health in the process. Or both. If you hide behind your minions, she can just wail on your while also killing your minions, killing two birds with one stone. If you don't hide behind minions, she throws out one of the most top-tier cancer abilities in the game, ascended to cancerous heights only seen next to Nasus's Wither and Zoe's Bubble of Sadness. If she hits you with it, you've basically lost lane. It's free damage, and if you're even more unlucky, it forces you to put even more cognitive thought into even surviving your lane for the next ten seconds, which in turn makes her require even less to continue freely dominating it. And then, her ult. There's occasionally a tip in the loading screen: "Sometimes, the mere threat of an ability is more useful than the use of it." Oh boy, I think I found the champ that literally wrote this tip. No one wants to gank her, because they know it's pointless. They know there's no hope to even try doing so. Illaoi doesn't need her ult in order to 1v1, which means she'll always have it when you try to gank her. Which means, you won't. Juggernauts are supposed to have trouble closing the gap between people, but Illaoi has absolutely no need to do so. She has a personal bubble that no one is allowed to enter, and she has ranged abilities that extend that personal bubble, allowing her to continue harassing safely until the end of time. All Riot would need to do to her is make her Tentacles scale off of bonus AD instead of total AD. That's all you need to do to make her less of a nightmare. Literally. I could think of many more things she needs (like making her cocaine-influenced ult-tentacles only go berserk on targets within the range of her ulted radius, or reworking her e to make her conjure a vessel that becomes filled with the spirit of the next target she auto attacks, so you can actually fucking WALK AWAY FROM HER when she tries), but that's the most essential one. Because if she's going to 100-0 someone, she damn-well better not have 3000 health and 400 armour whilst doing so.

II. Draven? What's there to be said? He walks up to you at level 1, and you lose 100 health. And then he does it again. And again. It's un-trade-able, as he out-damages you, and it's un-kite-able, as he has the higher tier of range only consistently surpassed by three other marksmen. And we all know that if someone even tries to kite him, they'll have to stop in place in order to land their own basic attack, which gives him the easy time of catching up and immediately winning the trade again. And again. And again. Whenever I play against a Draven, the literal only thing I can do in the early game is wait for him to tower-dive me. Because that's literally what every Draven in Silver does: they tower-dive, because they know for a damn fact that he's going to do more damage than me and the tower combined. This could easily be balanced! Either drastically reduce the base damage whilst buffing the AD scaling, or reduce the total damage whilst letting it crit instead! As of now, he gets free early damage just for doing nothing. It's a chore to play against, and it sucks the fun out of trying to do so.

III. Karma? What are you supposed to even do, here? You walk to lane, and this sadistic crack-whore just "LOCK LEE A LOOM!!!!!" or whatever the fuck she says and makes you instantly lose 150 health. You can't dodge her ult-q, because it has the blast radius of Kurt Cobain's fucking forehead, and you can't dodge the ensuing Comet that always comes after, thanks to that lovely 50% slow, unless you specifically play a champion designed to poof away from bad trades. The only reason Ezreal is always going to be a strong pick is because he can just press one ability to always unfuck himself without the help of an incompetent support. Anyways, back to Karma. Other mages can deal shit-tons of damage, too, but she has the absolute NERVE to dish out hard cc and ally movement steroids/shields on top of it. She's just overloaded, and it's a giant pain in the ass when she both negates your damage and deals a shit-ton of her own.

IV. Nearly every mage in existence??? Some of the mages in the game have interesting mechanics that I can enjoy and appreciate (Such as Brand and Ryze, and Azir, if he counts). They can utilize their abilities in different patterns to omit different results for the sake of different scenarios. That's great. You know what isn't great? A Syndra spamming Q in the backline before walking up, pressing E to stun everyone in a mindlessly large radius for a significant amount of time without the need to even aim, and pressing R to deal an actual truck-load of damage to top it off. It's the niche every mage has, and it's the niche no mage deserves. Lux, Syndra, Veigar, Zoe, Annie, Zyra, etc. All they do is sit around, spamming their hard-cc skillshot. Once they finally hit a champion with it, they proceed to press their other 3 abilities and instantly delete you. "Guess you should have dodged that one skillshot for the 19th time that fight xD" Yeah, fuck off. While Karma is the worst, she's horrible for her own special reason; they're all just annoying and monotonous to play against, though.

There are always going to be others with problems like this, but these problems can always be adressed! What a shame no one really cares enough.

#3. The Silver ELO, The Matchmaking Atrocity, and Autofill.

A: Matchmaking. This one isn't too complex to grasp. It's been beaten to death by many, many other people. When you're playing, you get placed against people you truly don't deserve to be placed against, and you get placed with people whom you'll probably never want to see again, afterwards. Riot says they implement secret algorythms to ensure that games will always have a 50-50 chance of being won/lost. That means if you're a good player, Riot is gonna put a good player on their team, and Riot's gonna put a shit player on yours. And they're gonna do that game, after game, after game. Eventually, Riot will have forced you to lose so many times, the MMR will consider you the bad player! So then they'll match you with (at least) competent players, and put the shit players on their team, instead! That's why people have been noticing themselves going on massive win-streaks, followed by massive losing-streaks. Including myself. And I hate every second of it.

B: The Silver ELO. I personally beat this one to death with my own pen. This current post I'm making is solely designed to vent every single thing that makes me cry, so I'm just going to link my previous posts. They all got severely upvoted, so that brings a shard of warmth to my heart, knowing I'm not truly alone in this sad, sad world. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Kozz0rE0-silver-is-so-stressful https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/OHZ8hQRW-just-had-a-sad-moment-in-my-last-game https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/dGrmqRQA-remember-that-2018-ranked-message-we-all-got

Enjoy. I know I didn't.

C: Autofill. Ohhhhhhh, boy. Remember when we had the OPTION to get the guaranteed role we desired? Where we could choose to not play with certain teammates? Where we could host an actual norms game and choose the people that were on our team? Yeah, I miss Team Builder, too. I surely didn't mind waiting ten minutes for it to happen. You know why? Because I could just watch YouTube in that time! And watching a YouTube video between games is probably a healthy way to cool down after each game, anyways. Because when I instead only have to wait five minutes for a game just to be put into a match filled with inting morons that WILLINGLY pick Udyr against a Quinn and proceed to go 0/13/2 because she counters him, I'd prefer watching THREE YouTube videos instead, because I just have a completely miserable time in the 30 minutes of my life that have been wasted! Stolen away by the incompetence and trolling of people that either have no idea what they're doing or know exactly what they're doing.

#4. Ranked, Riot's sheer blindness towards trolls in ranked, and their sincere punishment towards the people that can't handle them.

A: Ranked. Sigh... I used to just play Norms. I was unranked for years, and I was much happier back then. Because when people trolled, and fed, and caused me to lose, I would just think, "So what? I went 54/4 as full crit Garen, and I had a blast!" I only started Ranked because I made a post on here a long time ago, saying, "Hey, I hate Illaoi. She OP," before a bunch of dilapidated, vapid, vacuous silver players responded with, "Yes, well, in the higher ELO's, people know how to play around her ultimate. You probably wouldn't know that, though, you uninformed, UNRANKED troglodyte. I bet you don't even watch Rick and Morty, you absolutely uncultured swine!" before readjusting their monocles and clinking their glasses together, emitting random "Fnrrrr" noises as a sign of bodacious condescension. So I decided to give Ranked a try! And I've been hooked ever since. If I truly believed I can only exert the energy and skill-expression of a Silver player, I would just settle for going back to norms and no longer trying as hard. But I don't! I made it to Gold last year out of sheer luck alone, and I as well as many other ex-gold players (sent to silver solely from the unfair new-years placements and not be their own incompetence) are struggling in every game we play to climb back up, but I've already stated all the reasons why that's just so damn hard to do without luck by your side. And whenever I get unlucky, I just wanna fucking die.

B: Trolls. Riot treats trolls the same way Democrats treat domestic terrorists. "Hehe, he's probably just having a bad game." No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ5LXCMwZP0 Do you remember these two assholes? It took Riot over 250 fucking games to realize these two people were legitimately trolling and not "just having a bad game." And Riot only found out because many YouTubers and Redditers made very popular posts about them! They did Riot's job for them! https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/H5EfNgIr-im-the-best-mid-fiora-player-here-is-my-opgg-and-just-follow-my-build-and-you-will-get-rank-1 And look at this guy! He's literally bragging about how he feeds as Fiora Mid, and Riot still hasn't given enough of a shit to notice. UGH!!!!! Riot, just get your head out of your ass and realize some people are actually trying to be bad on purpose!

C. Riot punishing those who can't handle trolls on a daily basis. ... .... This is why I'm done, mostly. Last year, I made it to Honour 4. I got my Medieval Twitch. I got Grey Warwick. I installed the PBE. I was happy. I was happy! Ranked didn't matter as much, and I didn't care as much! Things were good! League of Legends was still a game back then, designed to be played for fun! Now, I'm honour 0 on here. I'm still Honour 3 on the PBE, but on here, I just can't control myself, anymore. Every single game I play, I do my best to keep cool. Every single game, I treat every teammate of mine as a friend! An ally! I'll start off calmly when they make mistakes, like, "Don't worry; all the more gold for you to support me with," or, "Trynd, may you please stop tower-diving? You're not level 6, and you currently consistently die because of this." But mistake after mistake, game after game, troll after troll, and loss after loss, I just can't control myself, anymore. "Brand, what in the world are you doing?" "I'm killing all your minions so we can push to the enemy tower! :3 Also you bought a Cull, lol you can't talk shit now" "So we can get ganked more easily? You're stealing my cs and putting us at a larger risk of getting ganked because I bought an item that requires me to stay safe and farm?" "Yes :3" "Are you a fucking moron???" "Lol enjoy ur ban" BOOM!!!! Instant chat restriction. I get it; I am toxic, now. It might be the constant trolls in every game I play. It might just be the brain-dead autofilled Brand support I got that put me hopelessly behind beyond repair! It might be my own damn autism. I don't fucking know at this point. Do you think I'm toxic outside of this game? "After reading all the times you said 'fuck' in this post, yes." Yeah, oops. I guess that's what happens when you vent.

So, in the end, I don't know what I should do. I want to keep playing Ranked. I want to climb, and I want to get my honour levels back. I want to know that I'm not bad at the game I love so much! But everyone else seems to want me to feel bad about it. I want to stop playing Ranked and just settle for the PBE. I get free stuff, I don't get mad at teammates, and most importantly, I'm considered "honourable" on there! I want to do both, and I want to do neither at the same time.

I guess I'm just lost and can no longer find my way.

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BALDG1VEN BOOMER15 votes

TL;DR for the lazy

Intro: OP has a burning passion for the game and today he will be summarizing his issues with the game based on four points of summary.

A. Hates bug, more specifically the ones that make you can’t cancel empowered attacks such as Jhin 4th shot, Darius cripple. Not sure if it’s actually a bug but it’s annoying.

B. Pathing, self explanatory we’ve all been creep blocked.

C. Doesn’t like current cursor design, doesn’t feel accurate.

A. League feels too counter pick dependant if you’re not playing S tier champions every patch you are pretty much going to get cucked every single game because your champion has no use on this patch. Also Brand stealing his CS.

B. “B-Liners” champions like Garen, Udyr, Warwick who just run at you and kill you and do nothing except that. Gameplay doesn’t feel satisfying when you just get ran at and mowed down.

C. B-Liners v2. These champions don’t need to work hard to kill you.

Examples given;

Illaoi, she does too much damage in lane, ganking her is pointless and she doesn’t even need her ultimate to win 1v1s, she doesn’t have trouble gap closing like traditional juggernauts.

Suggests tentacles scale off bonus AD

Draven, chunks you too hard at early levels, it’s not kitable, and has high range and wins every trade in lane also tower dives easily. Suggest to reduce base damage and buff AD scaling.

Karma, calls her a crack whore. Her poke is too oppressive and her R+Q radius is too big. Her kit is immune to bad trades

D. Lux, Syndra, Veigar, Zoe, Annie, Zyra more B-Liners in his list of champions that do nothing, also “"Guess you should have dodged that one skillshot for the 19th time that fight xD" Yeah, fuck off. While Karma is the worst, she's horrible for her own special reason; they're all just annoying and monotonous to play against, though.”

A. Matchmaking is horrible and forces you to go on large losing streaks.

B. Silver elo is just so bad.

C. Auto fill is bad for games health and people who have no grasp of the said role end up feeding.

A. Something about Rick and Morty in all honesty I have no idea what he was saying here but it was something to do with ranked.

B. “Riot treats trolls the same way Democrats treat domestic terrorists. "Hehe, he's probably just having a bad game.” Trolls also go unpunished for long time like 0-250 Kench.

C. He’s currently honour 0 and gets chat restricted for flaming his team but thinks he doesn’t deserve it.

Ok sure but why3 votes

yes ty

And the Rick and Morty thing was me saying, "The people who immediately search usernames on OP.GG to check their rank are just as loathsome as people who say others need 300 IQ to comprehend/appreciate Rick and Morty." Because let's face it; neither are very pleasant to have at parties.

And by Riot's fucked standards, I guess I would deserve Honour 0. But you gotta admit; Riot is acting like Zarna Joshi in this instance, but instead of, "He said Hugh Mungus? I feel sexually abused!! I'm going to try to ruin his life, now!" Riot says, "Someone called his teammate an idiot for going 0/17/2 in his game? Well, let's ban him from playing Clash! Yeah, fuck white people! Down with The Man, dawg!!!"

Velgam1 votes

Can some1 make a TL;DR of this as well?

Ifneth11 votes

Wow, man. I’m disappointed. I saw you post here all the time and thought you were nice. I guess one never can tell.

You sound like someone who’s frustrated by the smallest things and carries that frustration with you to everything you find—at least in-game. That’s not healthy. It’s why you once were calm but now blow up and got chat restricted.

The reason that your games seem to be decided by chance is that you’re where you belong. Your skill is not so far above that of your opponents that you can just get fed and stomp anymore. I can say this is true from experience, since I recently got trolled or smurfed-on ten matches in a row and wound up three divisions below where I belonged. Once my bad luck ran out, I noticed just how much slower and sloppier my opponents were and have been stomping my way back ever since. Ask yourself what would happen if the same happened to you.

Now for the obligatory op.gg review. I’m not here to flame you—just to help.

  1. Find a main role and champion. The first thing I noticed is that you seem to play top, jungle, and bot with a large pool of champions. This is holding you back because you need to learn the larger picture without always having to struggle with remembering your champion’s matchups and mechanics.

  2. Tilt. It stands out to me that you have many games with few kills, many deaths, and about as many assists as deaths, and very low kill participation. In those games, I suspect you start rage-splitting or afk-farming as soon as things go wrong because you figure the game is over and already don’t want to deal with it anymore. Occasionally, you run in to die but assist a kill, tricking yourself into thinking you’re tryharding but just held back. Control your tilt and give your teammates a chance to come back.

  3. Itemization. You accidentally waste much of your gold by buying the wrong items or not buying the right ones. Titanic Hydra but no Blade of The Ruined King on Master Yi. Guinsoo’s Rageblade but no Sterak’s Gage on Darius. These mistakes greatly hinder your carrying when ahead and your comeback when behind.

So, here are my tips. One, take a break from League and maybe talk to someone about how to handle frustration better. It will make your whole life easier. Two, decide if you want to come back and, if you do, then commit to controlling your tilt rather than letting it control you, or else the game will never be fun. Three, sit down and ask yourself what kind of champion you want to play. Their lore, looks, and play should all matter. Look through the champion list and find one you love.

Here it gets detailed. Read their lore. Let it sink into you. Don’t be afraid if you wind up a little in-character after a while. That’s a good thing. Learn all their itemization and matchups. Ask yourself what you’ll be trying to do during the loading screen every game. Learn every combo and common trick until you can do them without thinking. Watch the mini-map and ask yourself what’s possible if you win or lose your lane or your next fight. Then, use and combine the itemization, matchup knowledge, combos, and tricks you learned to outplay your opponents and take those objectives.

Feed or Famine1 votes

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  1. Find a main role and champion. The first thing I noticed is that you seem to play top, jungle, and bot with a large pool of champions. This is holding you back because you need to learn the larger picture without always having to struggle with remembering your champion’s matchups and mechanics.

  2. Tilt. It stands out to me that you have many games with few kills, many deaths, and about as many assists as deaths, and very low kill participation. In those games, I suspect you start rage-splitting or afk-farming as soon as things go wrong because you figure the game is over and already don’t want to deal with it anymore. Occasionally, you run in to die but assist a kill, tricking yourself into thinking you’re tryharding but just held back. Control your tilt and give your teammates a chance to come back.

  3. Itemization. You accidentally waste much of your gold by buying the wrong items or not buying the right ones. Titanic Hydra but no Blade of The Ruined King on Master Yi. Guinsoo’s Rageblade but no Sterak’s Gage on Darius. These mistakes greatly hinder your carrying when ahead and your comeback when behind.

This. As someone who started from Bronze in season like 2-3 (don't remember exactly when) and is now hardstuck low plat, these are the best pieces of advice that I could give you, OP. Spreading yourself too thin over champions/roles will really hold you back. Having 3-5 solid champs at a single role and using that pool to climb will help a lot. And then you can get used to being countered and not have it matter as much.

If you are first pick top/mid, ask a lower pick jungler or support if they will trade you champs. IMO, those are the two least counterable roles, or at least the roles where it is easiest to play into a counter pick.

Using sites like Champion.gg for builds/rune pages will help if you need it, but my suggestion would be to have a core of 2-3 items with the rest left to adapt to their team comp.

Also, you have to see the bigger picture. A lot of times, even if you lose lane, you can still help your team by keeping track of your lane opponent, staying close to even in CS, and keeping up vision around your lane. Maybe adapt your build to be tankier. But the worst thing you can do is start raging, because it really will make you useless. If you are getting out microed, try to out macro them (save your TP and gank bot, sneak drag while the other jungle is top side, ect.)

These are things that helped me climb, although I still have a lot of room for improvement. Find the role that works best for you and grind it out until you have a stable champ pool that you are comfortable with.

Ifneth1 votes

Aw, thanks, man! :)

I can only hope to be as good as you are one day. I’m just Silver III at the moment, so hearing this from a plat player means a lot.

Ok sure but why3 votes

You know, you can play 1000 nice, healthy games, and all Riot needs to punish people is for just 3 of them to be bad. They can brand people as toxic based on 0.3% of their experience. I ain't a bad guy! I'm not. I sure don't enjoy getting mad at people, either. Seeing them go out of their way to steal my lp and make me cry. It sucks.

And after years of dealing with trolls, I did learn to be frustrated. But I can contain that when I know it's just a small slip-up that anyone can fall victim to! But you gotta admit some people are physically incapable of making your game an enjoyable experience. Just last game--- Ohhhhh, story time.

We all started the game nice and formal; we're all so nice, we might as well be scratching each others' nuts at that point.

Our Varus dies for first blood, before the 3-minute mark. I'm like, "Oh, it's okay. It's fine! I'll gank bot soon so you can catch up." So a while later, I'm on my way bot. I pass by the dragon pit, where the enemy Jhin, Fiddle and Warwick taking the dragon at level 3 each. They're all low, so I decide to ping my Varus for assistance and go in. I kill the Warwick with ease, but he and Fiddle both ignited me, making me unable to continue fighting. I see Varus is just autoing one single cannon minion in that whole time. I'm like, "Hello? Varus???" because he decided to not attack the 100-health jhin, 150-health fiddle, or 700-health dragon, even whilst I was still alive. To top it off, he failed to last-hit the cannon minion! How would ANYONE not want to literally scream at that? All game long, he was just so inept, and feeding, and eventually, my lovely 4/1/2 score turned into 4/2/2, and then 4/3/2, etc. For the two reasons of 1. Varus continued to feed Jhin in lane, and 2. Varus refused to help in teamfights, because all he wanted to do was lane.

This is basically EVERY game I play. I'm literally cursed. Every time I queue with a friend, they always ask why we got a horrid team. You wanna test that? You wanna add me and see the complete ineptitude of some people first-hand every single game for the rest of your life? Be my guest. Confirmation doesn't make me wanna die less.

As for the finding of the main, that's not what makes me bad. Like, I don't first-time people in Ranked. All those lovely, diverse people you see have at least some M4-7 on them. Personally, I LOVE Kayn. He's great. Good story, good mechanics, everything. I've made extremely dank ass carry plays with him, because I'm just mechanically solid. I know who to press abilities on, when to E, when to ult, which Kayn to use for specific scenarios, etc. But I got a damn 39% winrate on him. I take a look at that, and I'm genuinely shocked, too. But in every single Kayn game I play, I can point at the specific person on my team and say, "This absolute basket-case is who put us at a major disadvantage." I wanna play Kayn more, but it feels like I'm just cursed when I play him.

But my choice in roles is fucked. I play whatever lane fed the hardest. I'll be ADC, and my top feeds hard. So I play top next game, and my Mid feeds hard. So I play mid next game. etc.

As for items, they're not essentially the "wrong" items. I like playing Yi as a tank, because it turns him into a diver that has trouble dying. Hydra, Mallet, etc. And Rageblade on Darius? If you haven't experienced that, you're missing out. You have to auto attack to get 5 stacks. Attacking 4 times gets you fast speed, and the fifth gives you a lot of AD, which the Rageblade further amplifies! You can get 600 on him with that in the late game, oh boy. Sterak's isn't gonna be as viable on the Triforce abusers, since it's gonne give bonus AD instead of base AD. And from my experience in game, it's incredible.

It's not like I'm an actual buffoon that doesn't do these things you said; it's that I'm very, very unlucky, and get paired up with people that don't even grasp the concept of such a thing. It's pure sadness.

Ifneth2 votes

Somehow, I get the feeling that you got reported in more than three games out of a thousand before getting punished unless you said something horrible.

Claiming that, then launching into a story about a random game, and saying that you only get bad teammates makes me think you blame others. Picking whichever role fed the most last game makes it seem you’re more focused on past frustrations than present improvement—that your anger really does control you. How angry, resentful, and bitter your writing sounds, not to mention how you seem to think that you need to justify yourself, makes me worry about you, personally. I honestly don’t know if we could even have an honest conversation without my having to walk on eggshells.

As for the items, they’re meta for a reason. Yi needs the sustain from Blade of The Ruined King because he’s a squishy melee champ. I have literally seen a Yi with Bloodrazor and Rageblade die to minions, alone, from 1/3 health. Darius needs Sterak’s Gage to keep building damage for his snowball and have some protection against burst and being low. Titanic Hydra is for health-stacking splitpushers like Shen and Kled. Rageblade is for on-hit carries. Trust the meta sites—they have the best builds.

Now, if I’m satisfied that you can keep your cool in replying to this, then I’ll reply and we can keep chatting. Otherwise, I’m gone.

Serika Zero2 votes

I laughed out loud irl, thank you for that.

as kuddos for you doing that here, please take a look: http://champion.gg/champion/Kayn/Jungle?

on the right side you got: win rate by games played. And you can see people that played Kayn at 200+ games in plat+ elo got about a 38% win rate with him ;) While the average rate of win for this champion is 48%

http://champion.gg/champion/Darius/Top? here's darius. Here you can see people that played in plat+ elo for 200+ games have like 55% win rate with him. While the average rate of win for this champion is 49%

Usually people start at lower win ratio % and get better. As they main a champion and play more, they get better at that champions. Ofc, exceptions like Kayn exists hahahaha

which explains also your experience on him

As for master Yi. From what I know, he is a clean up champion. You do not engage, you come in after the first has already started and people are spread out and sort of low, and now you use your very high speed from ultimate and low Q CDs to clean up the battle field. Which means, you must wait for someone else in your team to engage, and you don't need to be to tanky or deal aoe damage (hydra is for aoe damage and auto attack resets, which Yi doesn't need because he AAs very very very fast, and you don't need aoe damage maybe a tiamat in jugnle and that's it, not more, you want a lot of single target damage).

Next, while Yi is more on the squishy side. Darius is more tanky. Building rageblade on him makes him more squishy. Usually you want him to be sort of fast (boots, deadman plate), be able to deal with armor (black cleaver, also gives you movement speed when you hit stuff), and then tanky stats to be able to stay in the fight and hit people with your abilities, not got 3 shotted by the adc........


regarding champions. This are the main things you will learn when playing something for a long time: power spikes and which items make you strong. Some are really easy, such as: Akali power spikes hard on lv 6 and on item 3146

Others are more tricky, like, I got no fucking clue when Malphite gets his power spike (then again, I never understood tanks, so there's that) besides lv6.

You will also learn to CS better, and by this I mean, when you get in range for going for that CS that would otherwise get you creep blocked (Because you will get comfortable with the range of your hero). Or when to not auto attack the same minion twice and have patience, like, the 80hp minion while you got 79ad isn't going anywhere ;)

You will also learn to do better trades and combos in lane (unless you play something simple, like, lets say, annie). And when to zone enemies and what not.

All of these have to do with power spikes and damage capability (knowing how much damage your champion does). And as you play more with the same hero, the more your brain will unconsciously remember it and slowly narrow the range of what you think your champion does to what it really does ;)


good luck haha ps, as someone that used to main eve post rework for like 2-3 months before quitting. Morgana doesn't counter Eve :)

P4 Silent4 votes

https://imgur.com/xiosBuo

1W 10L B4

https://imgur.com/afbJS79

1W 9L B1

https://imgur.com/H5zdU3s https://imgur.com/t9VbB6s

Starting the same rank game on the same day!(Duo player)

The same kind of losing streak 5 games.

Get a 1 victory and then losing streak.

WHY!

One player stays in B1?

One player stays on B4?

(Can not find the results of other seasons)

Jamaree1 votes

[{quoted}](name=P4 Silent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EXerFEbI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-19T09:19:17.158+0000)

https://imgur.com/xiosBuo

1W 10L B4

https://imgur.com/afbJS79

1W 9L B1

https://imgur.com/H5zdU3s https://imgur.com/t9VbB6s

Starting the same rank game on the same day!

The same kind of losing streak 5 games.

Get a 1 victory and then losing streak.

WHY!

One player stays in B1?

One player stays on B4?

(Can not find the results of other seasons)

What were their ranks last season?

Ok sure but why1 votes

{quoted}

What were their ranks last season?

[{quoted}](name=P4 Silent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EXerFEbI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-19T09:19:17.158+0000)

(Can not find the results of other seasons)

Jamaree1 votes

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Well, we have to assume the person who ended in B1 was of higher rank in prior seasons then.

Ok sure but why1 votes

very on topic with the op tbh

Jamaree4 votes

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very on topic with the op tbh

Well, to be more on topic.

B: Pathing. There are two different annoyances, here. One is where you're simply trying to last-hit as an ADC, but oh, no. You click on the low-health minion, and your champ decides to take three seconds walking around your own minion wave just to be in range of it. Since minions can push you around like a little bitch as if they gave you $5 beforehand. The other is with terrain. All the times there's something on the other side of a thin wall, and instead of putting a ward on that side, or attacking something over that side, your champ decides to just start walking away? Yeah, that doesn't get exponentially annoying with each game that passes by.

C: Design choices. This is the most annoying. Why does the exact pin-point of the cursor have to be on the top-left corner of the icon? When I'm trying to kite, all I see is a big, green blur swinging back and forth on my screen, and when I put that big, green blur over-top of an enemy, I expect my champ to actually attack it. But nah, the pin-point of it is on the top-left, because that's where the tip of the glove's index finger is, and that's where the point of the red sword is as well. So if I point directly at someone, there's a chance my champion will instead walk towards the point on the map slightly above and to the left of my target. Wow. Just wow. I don't fucking care about the aesthetic. I want accuracy! Give us an option to customize our cursor to anything we want!

Good ideas, and on the bug note, that is just a given, bugs should always be fixed.

#2. Bewilderingly Bizarre Balancing, Bronze B-liner Bullies, and Blatant Bcounterpicks.

A: Counterpicks. I tryhard in every game I play. I pretty much know the mechanics/playstyles of every single champ in the game (because I'm just that passionate about this game (and I'm a fucking nerd)), and I know how I would need to play around them in order to win. Or should I say, "whom" I would need to play, in order to play around them in order to win. Because that's what League has become. There's nothing legendary about this game; it's just League of Counterpicks.

It has been like that since inception though, counterpicking has always been a thing, that said, get good enough and counterpicking won't matter until Diamond.

If I'm first-pick, I'm so much more likely to personally lose than not. Surely, this applies to many of you, too. Because in those games, I'm forced to be put into positions where I'm absolutely helpless. Did I choose Darius top? Well, looks like they chose Quinn, or Kennen. Lucky me. Glad I'm forced to be completely passive and docile in lane because I'm absolutely destitute and hopeless against even trying to get in Q range of them. Did I pick Evelynn Jungle? Well, looks like they picked Morgana. How long does my predictable Charm potential last? 2.5 seconds? Good thing they now have a free spell shield that lasts for 5. Oh, good thing every single person on their team bought a Zhonya's, Banshee's Veil and three Control Wards, too. I sure haven't been rendered completely useless for the remainder of this game. I sure don't feel absolutely devastated for being wedged into a position where I'm unable to help in any way, shape, or form. Did I pick an ADC other than Xayah one single time? Well, looks like they picked Zed, again. Good thing I have a Brand support that'll do everything to keep me alive. Oh wait, he was autofilled. Oh, he's stealing my cs, too. Oh, he also does nothing to keep me alive. Oh, he was just waiting for me to die so he could steal my kills, too. Great.

Things like this are never not going to be a thing and I couldn't even begin to think how it wouldn't be a thing.

B: B-liners. There are as many people that directly counter another as there are specific champions that don't even need to think in order to do well. I like to call them B-liners. Because all they need to do is walk in a straight line until the enemy is no longer able to kite or run away. You know, pieces or shit like Warwick, or Garen, or Udyr. They don't need to think like you do. Nooo, all they need to do is buy enough armour in the hopes they can chase you down and swiftly 1-shot you. As they build full armour. Were you kiting that Warwick as an ADC? Well, good thing your autofilled Lux support can't land her Q to save her 19 LP. Now, he can just press E, keep sprinting up to you, and boom. You're basically dead, now. Oh wait, you flashed before his fear could hit you? You've almost killed him, now? Oh, he just pressed R. Good thing you no longer have flash, because you're now back within hugging distance, unable to move, and he just gained nearly all of his health back. Yay. Now, he's super fast, you're super low, and none of your abilities are able to save your sorry ADC ass. Sure, they can be countered by a team that knows how to peel. I'd sure as hell love to be in an ELO where that exists.

Warwick, I will give you, but Udyr and Garen, yeah no, their weaknesses are blatant and very clear to see, yeah they are basic, and because of their basicness, they are very easy to beat because the entire community knows how to beat them, and just because the elo you are at doesn't know how to do that, doesn't mean they should be punished for it, the people at your elo should get better, the game shouldn't get worst for them.

I. Illaoi? > II. Draven? > III. Karma?

You know, when you break every champion down like this, they all sound OP. Why is it always, "This champion is too difficult to fight thus needs nerfs of some kind." Why is it never "What should I do to improve against champions like this?" Why is this community's first reaction to everything they hate nerf rather then self improvement? Why does no one ever look at the flaws of of the champions to see why they might have such a power budget in some regards? You know what I did when I found champions OP, I played them, and got my ass handed to me and realized oh wait, I might just be shit at this game and this champion clearly has weaknesses I didn't account for.

#3. The Silver ELO, The Matchmaking Atrocity, and Autofill.

A: Matchmaking. This one isn't too complex to grasp. It's been beaten to death by many, many other people. When you're playing, you get placed against people you truly don't deserve to be placed against, and you get placed with people whom you'll probably never want to see again, afterwards. Riot says they implement secret algorythms to ensure that games will always have a 50-50 chance of being won/lost. That means if you're a good player, Riot is gonna put a good player on their team, and Riot's gonna put a shit player on yours. And they're gonna do that game, after game, after game. Eventually, Riot will have forced you to lose so many times, the MMR will consider you the bad player! So then they'll match you with (at least) competent players, and put the shit players on their team, instead! That's why people have been noticing themselves going on massive win-streaks, followed by massive losing-streaks. Including myself. And I hate every second of it.

B: The Silver ELO. I personally beat this one to death with my own pen. This current post I'm making is solely designed to vent every single thing that makes me cry, so I'm just going to link my previous posts. They all got severely upvoted, so that brings a shard of warmth to my heart, knowing I'm not truly alone in this sad, sad world.

Enjoy. I know I didn't.

You want to know why there is never going to be a system that makes everyone happy at all times no matter what is done, whether Riot make it random, streak based, etc? Because no matter the system period, you would go on streaks. Luck does play a factor into this game, it really does, sometimes you get DCs, sometimes your opponent does, sometimes you get Faker reincarnated, other times you get xxFioramaster18xx.

"Well, then it should be with players of my own skill level then only." And how is any kind of system supposed to perfectly pin point that? Humans aren't consistent in anything, every player in this game, from me to you have had games where we are carrying so hard it isn't funny, where we are 1 vs 5ing, where we single handedly put the team on our backs and win, and other times, we are the actual trash can that makes out team lose. When you are the one doing well and someone else feeds, you feel it is unfair and that you are being dragged down and Riot gave you shitty teammates right, when you are the one being the trashcan, how do you think your allies feel, noticing a pattern now?

Marshbouy2 votes

You put it better than I could have.

that thing about counterpicking...that's just dumb lol. To remove counterpicks would be to remove a large portion of league's strategy.

P4 Silent1 votes

This is mine.

You can see my score on the S5 S6 S7

https://imgur.com/4vIsktZ

This is theirs.

do not see any results at this location.

https://imgur.com/X4ZfYTh

https://imgur.com/8KwLwbs

Jamaree1 votes

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This is mine.

You can see my score on the S5 S6 S7

https://imgur.com/4vIsktZ

This is theirs.

do not see any results at this location.

https://imgur.com/X4ZfYTh

https://imgur.com/8KwLwbs

I believe for newer players then, the absolutely lowest you can go might be Bronze 1.

P4 Silent1 votes

[sg-lux-2]

Jamaree1 votes

[{quoted}](name=P4 Silent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EXerFEbI,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-19T11:31:18.646+0000)

[sg-lux-2]

Idk, just how the system works, where do you think they should start?

Ok sure but why1 votes

And going 5/5 in my first placements sent me just one tier above the 1/9. Yeah, that's sure consistent, Riot. [sg-janna]

Spoofghoul4 votes

Just something that bugged me after reading th part about illaoi

She can smash for over 1k damage with her tentacle and just 1 shot minion waves Sion however has is Q damage reduced to 33% VS MINIONS FOR THAT EXACT FUCKING REASON except it only deals half as much damage

Riot is full of double standards and favoritism which really bugs the hell out of me

Snowman Arc2 votes

Well, Sion has so much more going on for him. He has 3 forms of CC, a super engage, built-in tankiness, a lot more waveclearing AoE which is also more reliable. And he also has a passive that's extremely useful early game. Die to a gank? It's ok, you still get to farm the entire wave and not miss out, and if lucky, you might even get a kill as well.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

I wouldnt really call it double standards since they are difference champions with different roles. You are literally comparing oranges to apples.

Power Cosmic3 votes

Punishing good players in matchmaking to make 50/50 games is horrible. And artificially decreasing the chance of a loss for a bad player is anti-competitive.

Neptunia xoxo3 votes

Well for me when I play on a smurf or a new smurf and if it has Silver/Gold elo/mmr the problem I see is new players are instantly being put into this MMR and it makes games feel one sided. And to be clear i'm talking about someone who just freshly hit level 30 and decides to queue for ranked and that persons first game they get put into high Silver and low/mid Gold mmr and 90% of the time these new players get destroyed and provide nothing for the team they are on since they have little game knowledge which is why I don't understand why they don't start new players off with Bronze 2 MMR or something so they don't have to ruin a game for 4 others and this way they can get players around their level of play and if that player is obviously not a new player or is better then the average new player then they will climb easily regardless of what MMR they start with. They also need to fix Duoqing raising the lowest players MMR by a huge amount and what i'm talking about is when a Silver 5 player queues with a Gold 1 player then the Silver 5 players MMR sky rockets to Gold/Plat MMR and this causes problems since normally that player does not at all deserve to be in Gold/Plat and it's just like a new player going into a Gold game it's not going to end well for him and hes going to upset 4 other players.

Ok sure but why2 votes

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Jamaree2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ok sure but why,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EXerFEbI,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-19T08:30:16.696+0000)

C: Autofill. Ohhhhhhh, boy. Remember when we had the OPTION to get the guaranteed role we desired? Where we could choose to not play with certain teammates? Where we could host an actual norms game and choose the people that were on our team? Yeah, I miss Team Builder, too. I surely didn't mind waiting ten minutes for it to happen. You know why? Because I could just watch YouTube in that time! And watching a YouTube video between games is probably a healthy way to cool down after each game, anyways. Because when I instead only have to wait five minutes for a game just to be put into a match filled with inting morons that WILLINGLY pick Udyr against a Quinn and proceed to go 0/13/2 because she counters him, I'd prefer watching THREE YouTube videos instead, because I just have a completely miserable time in the 30 minutes of my life that have been wasted! Stolen away by the incompetence and trolling of people that either have no idea what they're doing or know exactly what they're doing.

Personally, I didn't mind either, but this community's short remembrance of anything either doesn't remember or willingly chooses to ignore the multiple threads made complaining about how long the queue times were. I remember way back in the day, I called things like this, how people begged for a system that you got your exact roll, and I said over and over "Guys, queue times will bloat like crazy because the discrepancy of roles throughout all elos." Constantly, I was called an idiot and a moron and dowvoted, then, said system got added and I was right, people immediately whined by the boatload about the long queue times. It wasn't that long ago we had that system but people just choose to forget the QQ that did happen and will happen again without autofill.

B: Trolls. Riot treats trolls the same way Democrats treat domestic terrorists. "Hehe, he's probably just having a bad game." No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ5LXCMwZP0 Do you remember these two assholes? It took Riot over 250 fucking games to realize these two people were legitimately trolling and not "just having a bad game." And Riot only found out because many YouTubers and Redditers made very popular posts about them! They did Riot's job for them! https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/H5EfNgIr-im-the-best-mid-fiora-player-here-is-my-opgg-and-just-follow-my-build-and-you-will-get-rank-1 And look at this guy! He's literally bragging about how he feeds as Fiora Mid, and Riot still hasn't given enough of a shit to notice. UGH!!!!! Riot, just get your head out of your ass and realize some people are actually trying to be bad on purpose!

In cases like this, yeah, Riot needs to step it up and get off their asses and ban them, immediately, it is actually sad it takes this long at times, problem is, the term troll is used so liberally now adays that there are players who will call someone going 0/5 trolling. Bad games do happen, that is just a fact, if people actually used the report function properly, it would help alleviate a lot of problems, sadly, people get too pissed and think anyone not doing well is purposely sabotaging them.

C. Riot punishing those who can't handle trolls on a daily basis. ... .... This is why I'm done, mostly. Last year, I made it to Honour 4. I got my Medieval Twitch. I got Grey Warwick. I installed the PBE. I was happy. I was happy! Ranked didn't matter as much, and I didn't care as much! Things were good! League of Legends was still a game back then, designed to be played for fun! Now, I'm honour 0 on here. I'm still Honour 3 on the PBE, but on here, I just can't control myself, anymore. Every single game I play, I do my best to keep cool. Every single game, I treat every teammate of mine as a friend! An ally! I'll start off calmly when they make mistakes, like, "Don't worry; all the more gold for you to support me with," or, "Trynd, may you please stop tower-diving? You're not level 6, and you currently consistently die because of this." But mistake after mistake, game after game, troll after troll, and loss after loss, I just can't control myself, anymore. "Brand, what the fuck are you doing?" "I'm killing all your minions so we can push to the enemy tower! :3 Also you bought a Cull, lol you can't talk shit now" "So we can get ganked more easily? You're stealing my cs and putting us at a larger risk of getting ganked because I bought an item that requires me to stay safe and farm?" "Yes :3" "Are you a fucking moron???" "Lol enjoy ur ban" BOOM!!!! Instant chat restriction. I get it; I am toxic, now. It might be the constant trolls in every game I play. It might just be the brain-dead autofilled Brand support I got that put me hopelessly behind beyond repair! It might be my own damn autism. I don't fucking know at this point. Do you think I'm toxic outside of this game? "After reading all the times you said 'fuck' in this post, yes." Yeah, oops. I guess that's what happens when you vent.

Stop talking to players like this, you know they aren't going to help, you know they aren't going to listen, why raise your blood pressure, mute, move on, just play.


So, in the end, I don't know what I should do. I want to keep playing Ranked. I want to climb, and I want to get my honour levels back. I want to know that I'm not bad at the game I love so much! But everyone else seems to want me to feel bad about it. I want to stop playing Ranked and just settle for the PBE. I get free stuff, I don't get mad at teammates, and most importantly, I'm considered "honourable" on there! I want to do both, and I want to do neither at the same time.

Then do that, stop forcing yourself to play if you aren't having fun, there is no one stopping you, but you.

Teridax682 votes

This obviously doesn't answer the whole post, but I feel part of the problem with bee-liner champions is that currently there are very few safe havens on the map where a champion can escape to. Games like Smite and HotS have either sufficiently strong defenses, or outright fortifications that prevent chase-heavy champions from going too deep without getting severely punished, for example, which is why they get to have champions that are utterly relentless, yet still have meaningful counterplay. Dota doesn't have a recall mechanic, which means that champions who dive deep and don't have a Town Portal Scroll become easy pickings. League, by contrast, only has weak towers, which cease to pose any real threat past the first few minutes, and means champions like Udyr, Warwick, and so on can single-handedly dive their targets, kill them under tower if they have the stats, then recall before anyone else can collapse on them. I do personally quite enjoy champions like Warwick, and I do think their playstyle has some value, but currently it's difficult to make such a playstyle work in an environment where there is essentially nothing to stop a champion from chasing forever.

Zeppelins circus2 votes

The karma part had me laughing in fits lmao Comedy gold material

Ok sure but why2 votes

i use laughter to hide my pain

Sassmast3r1 votes

As a Karma main I sincerely apologize for the way Riot has balanced her. Not even was the first rework the biggest problem, but the gradual removal of all other facets of her kit that had any level of skill expression. Now, the base damage of her Q is too high (so she will always work support, and depending on meta, mid), her W does no damage whatsoever and the heal is spread out between two relatively distant ticks (so why would anyone max this ability first?), and her E lost the most interesting part (damage) when Mantra'd (so why would people mantra that more than once or twice in a game?).

I play Karma because I like her tether; getting people down on the ground stuck for my teammates to wipe out feels great. But the mantra'd Q base damage is insanely high and doesn't even reward good gameplay (especially for how easily CDR is obtained in the game now), and her E is far too small of a shield to the point where people spam it only because of the movement speed, not because they actually want to shield themselves or their allies from damage. This is among numerous other issues in her kit (passive being uninteractive and forcing me to be obnoxiously tryhard with my AAs, Mantra being far too easy to recharge, which makes actually thinking about using it pointless, etc.).

I'm sorry :c

Ok sure but why2 votes

Yeeah, honestly, she seems like someone who could have been much more interesting if Riot put any effort into making her less of an R-Q spam bot; like, I like the idea of her Tether, too! I personally think Riot should put most of Karma's damage into the actual detonation of the ability, to give players an incentive to actually successfully tether an opponent before going doing damage, instead of the Bushwhacker strategy we see these days which involve 1. Buy Control Ward and place it in bush, 2. Walk into said bush, and 3. Shoot out your free 435 (+90% AP) nuke, because no one heard Karma scream about how she's about to ult.

I feel the same way about LeBlanc, too; make them more reliant on actually using her tether, instead of just making her into some "Haha, I bought my Luden's. W R W, you're dead! Haha!"

But it's okay; it ain't your fault in the slightest [sg-janna]

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

B: B-liners./ Balancing conundrums.

So you basically hate playing against almost everything? Cool. I think this game is not for you then.

SennaFirstPick1 votes

Life Pro Tip:

read the whole post whilst listening to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu4uVh-rUrg

Shazzbot691 votes

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Life Pro Tip:

read the whole post whilst listening to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu4uVh-rUrg

The song seems to be telling me that league community is absolute shit seeing as I am a bad player in dota 2 and I don't feel the need to become toxic because other people pick on me because I suck at the game.

Shazzbot691 votes

I never understood the issue with counter picking.

AkhriPasta1 votes

Draven's q gives him bonus damage as well as a disadvantage, axes fall on a place which draven determines, but the indicator is visible to you, you can easily land skillshots/cc on him since you know he will go there to catch the axe, you can fk him up like that.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

OP......i dunno how to put this nicely but.........you kinda contradict yourself.

You state that you like mages like brand/azir/ryze who have some variety in their ability casting..........while at the same time bashing counterpicks.

How does this make no sense?

Its because different mechanics can counter eachother, there is no single one to stomp all others and thankfully so, that would be truly linear, their very uniqueness makes them extremely powerful in some matchups and able to absolutely dominate them with little that can be done in response.

Lets take Azir for instance, he utterly craps on shorter ranged enemies and melee without unstoppable gapclosers, he can just poke and burst endlessly while post 6 sandwalling their faces making it impossible to get ontop of him, he is one of the most oppressive mages when anywhere near strong.

Akali, Diana and most immobile mages are all his favorite victims.

Ryze? You mean the one that has been reworked over 5 times because his kit is entirely toxic to play against on a higher level?

Melee? How about you get poked constantly by E-E-Q spam, or you know, directly locked down post 1-2 items and then killed by his machinegun spam while you never get anywhere near him due to his root and movespeed combo.

Any ranged with equal or just slightly longer range? How about you get killed in 2-3 rotations every time you fail to keep him at max range while having little to no chance of disengaging.

Brand? you mean the guy who at some point just spams W while giving 0 fks? Who in a teamfight clicks E-W-R-Q and just watches the enemy team burn to cinders with almost no effort if they have the audacity to group up?

All of these guys have matchups they just straight up shit on, while they are also some of the most hated champs for how ridiculously powerful they are when not nerfed to oblivion, at least Syndra has some charge up time for a powerful ultimate but these guys only need items any they stomp anything in sight.

(Disclaimer, i do not think Syndra is problem free either.....)

As such OP, you cant demand uniqueness and a constant 50-50% odds of winning, sometimes a champ is entirely dedicated to a mechanic that another shuts down with ease for some reason.

Uniqueness and equality cannot co-exist in a game like league......except the equality of everyone having something that fks them over pretty badly.

YoNightmare71 votes

Your name goes so well with the title

RedPannda1 votes

Just one trick Tryndamere OP, he's the only champ left in the game that can 1v9 win you games when your team is eating their own feces and laughing at their farts. It's what I did and I've never been happier. I don't have to give a crap about my team anymore, they can int all day for all I care. Tryn is 100% personal skill unless their whole team camps you all game you can get ahead of almost anyone and then you become such a threat that they cannot ignore you and you split and steal all of the jungle games and then vanish and appear in another lane and keep doing that. Never engage unless you have a clear advantage, ward up and just keep farming your brains out and taking objectives and getting fatter.

If you don't fuck up its almost impossible to lose if your team isn't hard inting. But the game is a complete shitshow and the overall skill of the silver/bronze playerbase has decreased over time, or maybe no one gives a shit anymore. Because its pointless to even try to team play in bronze/silver, I don't even mess with baron anymore, its pointless to get because every single fucking time I get it my team will just wander off to farm in 4 directions.

Ok sure but why1 votes

I literally just get a Trynd that lost lane to a troll Soraka top and see this come right up [sg-janna]

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