The fighter/bruiser/diver meta is coming and so i go.

JohnnyNeverSins·May 18, 2018·23 votes·5,526 views

I cant play against 3.5k hp assassins with cc,incredible push,decent sustain and an ability that makes them invulnerable to damage,literally they are assassinating people and the only reason they are not calling them that is because they dont have an escape once they go in..i thought starting a team fight as an above mentioned class was like,you go in,stun someone and not actually delete them but you had your team to follow up,and not its like you go in,you delete someone and then its a 4v5..

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Critmaster GarenMay 18, 201814 votes

bye.

MordepoolMay 18, 20185 votes

Bye bye

Penta AceMay 18, 20183 votes

Buy*

MordepoolMay 18, 20181 votes

TFW your downvote bots show up

DuskDaUmbreonMay 18, 201814 votes

Honestly, this is the worst meta possible. I would honestly rather Lethality meta all over again. Ardent meta was better.

Fuck, I'd rather the 5 minute teamfights of tank metas.

But, right now? The generalist class is doing better than the specialists in every possible factor. In every game I've played, it's not my skill, or who ganks bot more. It's not better jg wins. It's "Who has the most fighters/bruisers/divers?". I have little influence on the game as anyone I play.

And that fucking spear is just going to make it worse. It seems like a good idea on the surface, but it's just going to be abused insanely hard. Every ADC who isn't Jhin, MF, or Cait will be hitting for 0 damage against anyone with it.

I was thinking of grinding out some ranked matches, but I'm not even going to try in this meta. It's just the absolute worst one.

Critmaster GarenMay 18, 20186 votes

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Honestly, this is the worst meta possible. I would honestly rather Lethality meta all over again. Ardent meta was better.

Fuck, I'd rather the 5 minute teamfights of tank metas.

But, right now? The generalist class is doing better than the specialists in every possible factor. In every game I've played, it's not my skill, or who ganks bot more. It's not better jg wins. It's "Who has the most fighters/bruisers/divers?". I have little influence on the game as anyone I play.

And that fucking spear is just going to make it worse. It seems like a good idea on the surface, but it's just going to be abused insanely hard. Every ADC who isn't Jhin, MF, or Cait will be hitting for 0 damage against anyone with it.

its more of an assassin item than a bruiser item, since its passive scales with bonus ad. you get more value out of it, when youre 400 ad zed or talon, than when buying the item on a fighter who needs a couple health items to keep himself going.

and i think people are overestimating the new atmas. its only useful as like third or fourth item after you already stacked enough health to make its passive valuable. so far on the pbe i literally had to stall out games to be able to test it.

DuskDaUmbreonMay 18, 20185 votes

Oh, assassins might be abusing it, but they still will be weak to burst. I can still lock in Annie (for example) against a Zed and still stun-burst him (Although Tibbers would be far weaker, since he does DPS).

Fighters are already practically immune to burst with their innate defenses. This will make them immune to DPS. You're going to need to play One for All and chain Morgana Qs and Rs on them to actually kill them once they get this item. And given that they're all already super strong right now because of Conquerer, basically nobody will be able to kill them.

And lmao I don't give a shit about Atma's. It'll be useful, and will probably be one of the few juggernaut items fighters won't abuse at some point. (At least, I assume it's meant to be a juggernaut item, given that they're the only class I can think of that wants AD and stacks health). I'm perfectly fine with the item. The only abuse cases will be if it's just too strong, or in 2+ hour games.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 19, 20183 votes

Conq is dogshit. Even what, two months (?), later you guys still try to keep this myth alive. I wonder where are all these insane super strong conq bruiser? Oh yeah they get destroyed by ornn and cho gath, nothing to see guys.

DuskDaUmbreonMay 19, 20181 votes

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Conq is dogshit.

Lmao what.

I wonder where are all these insane super strong conq bruiser? Oh yeah they get destroyed by ornn and cho gath, nothing to see guys.

Cho is still objectively busted. A super tanky champion with good CC should not have a point and click nuke.

Ornn is shitty right now, so you probably shouldn't be losing to him. And, even if he was good? Well, guess what? You have enough DPS to kill him. Especially with Conquerer.

VoraciousXMay 18, 20181 votes

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its more of an assassin item than a bruiser item, since its passive scales with bonus ad. you get more value out of it, when youre 400 ad zed or talon, than when buying the item on a fighter who needs a couple health items to keep himself going.

and i think people are overestimating the new atmas. its only useful as like third or fourth item after you already stacked enough health to make its passive valuable. so far on the pbe i literally had to stall out games to be able to test it.

Sucks that it doesn't have an AP version. I'd like to be able to block damage as well.

Critmaster GarenMay 18, 20181 votes

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Sucks that it doesn't have an AP version. I'd like to be able to block damage as well.

items for ap fighters are even harder to make than for ad fighters.

you dont want mages becoming too tanky. the problem is, you can at least separate ad fighters and squishier ranged carries by stats like base ad, auto attack damage (crit/attack speed) and spell damage (flat ad/health).

if you make an ap item for ap scaling fighters, then mages will automatically have access to it aswell.

SasogwaMay 18, 20182 votes

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Honestly, this is the worst meta possible. I would honestly rather Lethality meta all over again. Ardent meta was better.

Fuck, I'd rather the 5 minute teamfights of tank metas.

But, right now? The generalist class is doing better than the specialists in every possible factor. In every game I've played, it's not my skill, or who ganks bot more. It's not better jg wins. It's "Who has the most fighters/bruisers/divers?". I have little influence on the game as anyone I play.

And that fucking spear is just going to make it worse. It seems like a good idea on the surface, but it's just going to be abused insanely hard. Every ADC who isn't Jhin, MF, or Cait will be hitting for 0 damage against anyone with it.

I was thinking of grinding out some ranked matches, but I'm not even going to try in this meta. It's just the absolute worst one.

Knowing that adc's have crit damage so highly powerful autoattacks, they will be the least affected. Hell, some of them can even take the item for a fair amount of extra survivability.

DuskDaUmbreonMay 18, 20182 votes

Except crit's going to suck ass after the changes. It's going to be more expensive than the DPS builds that have better on-hit.

And crit ADCs have some of the lowest AD of all auto attackers who aren't AP auto attackers. You never top 250 AD.

Also, you'd have to have 3 people within 500 range to actually get the full benefit. Any ADC is dead at that point. Plus it's still absolute shit against burst, because you're reducing less than 300 damage from a full burst combo, when they're already overkilling you by 800 with it. So no ADC is actually going to use it, except maybe Jhin, who does pass a fuckton of AD.

need a namexDMay 18, 20189 votes

bye

WiegrafOfValorMay 18, 20188 votes

What the fck you guys talking about? Fighter's meta is the best meta we can have and the closest to balance this game can ever be.

Fighters have really easy to read and exploit weakness, everyone can beat a fed Jax, Xin, Irelia or even a freaking Riven. But going against a fed ADC or Rengar is a nightmare, there's nothing you can exploit once those guys pop off.

remakoroMay 18, 20186 votes

This is sarcasm? Is it not? Cuz you listed several people capable of legit 1 vs 5...

LVL99 Helper TKMay 18, 20182 votes

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This is sarcasm? Is it not? Cuz you listed several people capable of legit 1 vs 5...

This is sarcasm? Is it not?

DuskDaUmbreonMay 19, 20181 votes

Lmao what.

No. Nobody can beat any of those champions when they're fed, unless they're even more fed than them.

A fed ADC is still going to die in less than a second to most champions. The only exceptions are situational ones like a fed Twitch with his ult up. And then you can still just kill him from a bush. Fed Rengar is still going to lose to a tank.

Any fighter is fed? They melt tanks and burst squishies, while being able to tank most burst (unless they're Riven or Yasuo, who basically always go full glass cannon).

Fighter meta is literally the worst to deal with as anyone but a fighter.

FCJAAAAGOOOOMay 18, 20187 votes

Remember, back in season 2, the bruiser meta ws super real, but not because they nuked people? They were a fair legitimate frontline and everyone was ok with it? Remember that? Well imagine that but now they all have PTA/Electrocute/Conqueror.

341123545652May 18, 20185 votes

Yup I cannot believe how much Riot is sucking up to hashinshin and his cancerous following. They have literally become slaves and done every single thing he says. WAHHH WE NEED BRUISER KEYSTONE Riot- Done WAHHHHH MID MAGES TOO STRONG BRUISERS CANT MATCH WAVECLAER Riot- Done WAHHH JUNGLERS DECIDE TOP LANE Riot- Jungle nerfs done WAHHHHH ADCs DECIDE TOP LANE Riot- ADC nerfs done WAHHH BRUISERS HAVE NO ITEMS Riot- Ok check out atmas return and spear of shoji WAHHH BRUISERS NEED TO BE UNKILLABLE GODS , DO INSANE DMG, AND STILL BE THE LOWEST SKILL REQ CLASS IN THE GAME

Its actually scary how Riot has become a puppet to this mongoloid and his followers just screaming nonsense.

To sum up what hashinshin and his following is I present the following scenario that happened when I entered his stream. He picks olaf, gets matched vs a jayce. Screams bitchs and cry screams bitchs and crys about going for ranged top laner jayce. Jayce pokes him and harasses him heavily first 5 levels. Hashinshin gets forced out of lane , goes back to base buys a phage, Tps back. Solo kills the jayce at lvl 6 , solo kills the jayce 2 times more in lane despite being super behind in CS. Did he outplay the jayce? No he just ran at him and pressed right click. Thats bruisers guys, and bruiser players. Their brains are hard wired for running at people and pressing right click, so when that doesnt work for a few levels they cry. Big surprise a champion with a 2% pickrate and 48% winrate MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY BE OP HUH?

BoulderoxMay 18, 201811 votes

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WAHHH WE NEED BRUISER KEYSTONE

there was no reason to play a bruiser, when a tank did the same thing better

WAHHHHH MID MAGES TOO STRONG BRUISERS CANT MATCH WAVECLAER

top ranged top laners are oppressive as all hell and have been for a while now. Throw on spammy spells and you have a recipe for disaster.

WAHHH JUNGLERS DECIDE TOP LANE

It isn't wrong

WAHHHHH ADCs DECIDE TOP LANE

Cases where you as the top lane stomp the opponent and do well, to have 0 impact because bot lane has too much impact as a role

WAHHH BRUISERS HAVE NO ITEMS

They have plenty, but thanks to outliers item 3022 ... thanks Gnar , item 3124 is essentially a marksman item now... item 3153 is it used by any fighters/bruisers atm??? item 3025 is only used on a handful of champs and Ezreal >_> Options are fairly limited for some champs honestly. item 3068 poof

WAHHH BRUISERS NEED TO BE UNKILLABLE GODS , DO INSANE DMG, AND STILL BE THE LOWEST SKILL REQ CLASS IN THE GAME

Although some might want that, a lot just want to be able to play a champ that is hybrid tanky and damage and can kill people without any defenses, and survive a bit longer than the average damage dealer...

SO MUCH TO ASK Faints

Inari Fox OrrionMay 19, 20181 votes

I think the biggest problem with Conquerer is "kill people without any defenses" now means "leap onto the tank and mash them to death" Jax because Conquerer wasn't properly tested on on-hit/AS champions before release. That's why everyone's complaining - Conquerer itself is okay (I guess, but I thought they wanted less True Damage?) but it's effectiveness against tanks isn't.

BoulderoxMay 19, 20181 votes

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I think the biggest problem with Conquerer is "kill people without any defenses" now means "leap onto the tank and mash them to death" because Conquerer wasn't properly tested on on-hit/AS champions before release. That's why everyone's complaining - Conquerer itself is okay (I guess, but I thought they wanted less True Damage?) but it's effectiveness against tanks isn't.

i always thought the problem was that conq was MADE so bruisers could fight tanks, and now there aren't many tanks being played, so there isn't a real reason for it anymore... even though it is still a staple on many champs. 20% damage > true damage means nothing when an adc/mid doesn't have any defenses to begin with... It deminishes when your damage goes through mostly on squishier targets.

AirKingNeoMay 19, 20184 votes

WAHHHHH MID MAGES TOO STRONG BRUISERS CANT MATCH WAVECLAER

First off, when did mid mages have anything to do with top lane?

WAHHH WE NEED BRUISER KEYSTONE

Because leaving 20% of the roaster useless is unacceptable. Also, the keystone sucks and the only viable user it Yasuo. Irelia exists, but she's viable because she's broken and not her ability to use Conqueror.

WAHHH BRUISERS HAVE NO ITEMS

Bruisers have the least items and they keep getting stolen.

Screams bitchs and cry screams bitchs and crys about going for ranged top laner jayce. Jayce pokes him and harasses him heavily first 5 levels.

but if Riot is "hashinshin's bitch" then where are my Jayce nerfs? Gnar nerfs? Kennen nerfs? Vlad nerfs? Grasp nerfs?

WAHHH BRUISERS NEED TO BE UNKILLABLE GODS , DO INSANE DMG, AND STILL BE THE LOWEST SKILL REQ CLASS IN THE GAME

Except bruisers are probably the most killable class. They have no escapes and they have to be in melee range. They aren't tanky as tanks by a long shot. Lowest skill class is tanks. Literally, walk up to people and press abilities. No dodging skill required. Outscales bruisers naturally and also are stronger in lane.

In conclusion, they aren't doing what Hashinshin says. If anything, you've given evidence that says Hashinshin is correct.

LordGeovanniMay 18, 20183 votes

You shouldnt play assassins in that meta because that is what you are supposed to be bad against but inexpilcably assassins alway do fairly well against them (maybe because they have less conditions more favorable spells and lower cooldowns)

DW DianaMay 18, 20181 votes

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I cant play against 3.5k hp assassins with cc,incredible push,decent sustain and an ability that makes them invulnerable to damage,literally they are assassinating people and the only reason they are not calling them that is because they dont have an escape once they go in..i thought starting a team fight as an above mentioned class was like,you go in,stun someone and not actually delete them but you had your team to follow up,and not its like you go in,you delete someone and then its a 4v5..

Only if you're AD. AP are still not getting anything.

remakoroMay 18, 20181 votes

they dont have an escape once they go in

They do. Kill everyone around and you are away from any enemies. Does not work every time but still quite reliable.

RainfallMay 18, 20181 votes

darius irelia and mundo are the bruiser meta? then zed and leblanc mean we are in an assasin meta? and ezreal means we are in an adc meta?

DuskDaUmbreonMay 19, 20181 votes

Darius Irelia Mundo Yi Yasuo Camille Jax. All are super strong right now. All fighters are good right now.

Out of assassins: Zed LB Rengar Kha'zix. Four of them. 3 because of overbuffing, and 1 because Riot reverted to cancer form LB instead of dogshit form LB.

Out of ADCs: The only ADCs that are "OP" are just because they're good against other ADCs. Oh, and Ezreal found something new to abuse.

AirKingNeoMay 18, 20181 votes

What assassins have 3.5k HP? Incredible push? After 1200 gold Tiamat it's not as great as mages or shiv+hurricane.