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Every single time I get a reminder of how stupid Galio is in high elo

D357R0Y3R··39 votes·14,864 views

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https://i.gyazo.com/a864d12b18c077d254870a44104acf87.png every fucking time Galio is "viable" I get a reminder of how he's going to just destroy d1 games because there galio players have a brain and can play him properly

Why is that every single time Riot works on Galio, the outcome is a disaster? I don't understand this champion anymore, explain to me what I'm supposed to do against a champion that deals so much damage , has cc, but also aftershock and damage reduction.

So I'm the one who's playing badly right? Yet Galio in plat+ has 53.5% win rate and 9% pick rate

but nobody is going to complain the boards love galio poor champ ruined by pro play, rework was amazing but pro play destroyed it. what a fucking joke of design to have a champion who's supposed to counter AP damage, but mechanically counters all melees, also deal as much damage as a mage and has waveclear, 10/10 rework.

But keep working on him Keep soaking the attention of all champions onto him, and maybe you will fix him right?

Better complain about Akali, champion that kills you in 5 sec when galio kills you in 1 sec, has cc, tankiness, AND EVERYTHING at once

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55 Comments

boricCentaur121 votes

Galio should just go back to being a tank like after they made him into a ap champion first and a tank second he has caused so many problems like he did not caused a lot of problems as a tank.

ModAcademy Kayn5 votes

But....wasn't he an AP champion first first?

King Braum9 votes

kinda? he was specifically an anti mage where his most optimal build was very tank reliant. he could be build as an AP mage but it was a less viable strategy.

Anu3isII2 votes

What? His optimal build had always been a mix of AP and Defensive Stats, he never was built purely in one way. Saying that his optimal build was very tank reliant is an overstatement.

And that is what I believe Riot has tried since his rework, to make him the AP bruiser that is decent in both Damage and Durability. Not a wizard that flaps his wings and murders a guy with one touch, nor an undying titan that smashes people to death for years.

You may consider his Tank version less problematic, but I think it was way worse than Tank Ekko. If Galio counterbuilt his opponent, he couldn't lose the match-up and because of his insane Base Damage in the Early Game, he could pressure any lane with his Ultimate, while stalling his. This guy was a top pick in Mid Lane because no one had his level of pressure and safety.

Jabberwöcky1 votes

Wasnt his old build like> (not in order) Abyssal Scepter. item 3027 item 3111 item 3157 item 3151 item 3102

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Galio should just go back to being a tank like after they made him into a ap champion first and a tank second he has caused so many problems like he did not caused a lot of problems as a tank.

On the contrary, he was always an ap champion. The only way you could take him tank is if you took advantage of the old thornmail’s 30% damage return.

He was always an anti mage mage, so an AP champion, one scales, albeit badly, with magic resist. Which literally meant he went abyssal scepter into regular ap items, oh, and maybe a zhonya’s for the cherry on top. I guess every mage nowadays is a tank.

boricCentaur11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EV6OMUJr,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-12-23T14:12:51.068+0000)

On the contrary, he was always an ap champion. The only way you could take him tank is if you took advantage of the old thornmail’s 30% damage return.

He was always an anti mage mage, so an AP champion, one scales, albeit badly, with magic resist. Which literally meant he went abyssal scepter into regular ap items, oh, and maybe a zhonya’s for the cherry on top. I guess every mage nowadays is a tank.

No he hasn't building ap on galio became meta in 7.21 before that he could maybe build rod and if you are talking about old galio no one cares the old one was poorly designed and never played for a reason so saying he should be ap since the old was is irrelevant since the one we have now is not that galio. Also here is the average galio build in the na lcs in season 7 http://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/25/season-S7/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/patch-ALL/role-ALL/league-ALL/

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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No he hasn't building ap on galio became meta in 7.21 before that he could maybe build rod and if you are talking about old galio no one cares the old one was poorly designed and never played for a reason so saying he should be ap since the old was is irrelevant since the one we have now is not that galio. Also here is the average galio build in the na lcs in season 7 http://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/25/season-S7/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/patch-ALL/role-ALL/league-ALL/

We were talking about old galio and how the rework supposedly didn’t preserve his identity as a “tank,” and if you read very carefully, you would realize I said that galio before his rework was never played as a tank. Even after his rework he was at best an AP bruiser.

boricCentaur11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EV6OMUJr,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-24T14:45:43.337+0000)

We were talking about old galio and how the rework supposedly didn’t preserve his identity as a “tank,” and if you read very carefully, you would realize I said that galio before his rework was never played as a tank. Even after his rework he was at best an AP bruiser.

No one was talking about old galio in the original post it was about how the rework was good then riot kept changing him causing problems and you REPLIED TO ME TALKING ABOUT THE REWORK GALIO also again rework galio was not fucking played as a ap bruiser until 7.21 and I put the meta build before 7.21 in my post and it was full tank galio before 7.21 he had bad ap scaling but riot buffed them to be good in 7.21.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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No one was talking about old galio in the original post it was about how the rework was good then riot kept changing him causing problems and you REPLIED TO ME TALKING ABOUT THE REWORK GALIO also again rework galio was not fucking played as a ap bruiser until 7.21 and I put the meta build before 7.21 in my post and it was full tank galio before 7.21 he had bad ap scaling but riot buffed them to be good in 7.21.

Oh my bad, I was just too stupid to realize yu actually thought that the reworked galio was ever close to being a tank, so I assumed you were talking about the original form of galio, largely in part due to your lacking capability to formulate a sentence.

So I realize that what you’re trying to tell me is for a few patches, Riot fucked up, and made his AP scaling too trashy, introduced tank items that were too strong on him, and made his tank stats too strong and so he was played as a tank for all of 5 patches? You’re not talking about consistent long term play, no, You’re talking about a period of time where riot fucked up their intended design and weren’t able to fix it for several patches because it was esports time. And, furthermore, the reason why he was so good as a tank was because 1) conqueror didn’t exist 2) IE didn’t give true damage 3) lots of assassins 4) his damage reduction was broken 5) he could share his busted ass damage reduction with his adc/teammate during his ult.

Old galio was always an AP bruiser. Riot, when reworking galio, mentioned they wanted to make him an ap bruiser. Riot, then fucked up. Then that design stuck around for a few patches before they decided to fix him. And now, since more true damage is in the game, that old galio has become an impossibility. I’m sorry this is so hard for you to comprehend.

boricCentaur11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EV6OMUJr,comment-id=000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-24T17:40:24.936+0000)

Oh my bad, I was just too stupid to realize yu actually thought that the reworked galio was ever close to being a tank, so I assumed you were talking about the original form of galio, largely in part due to your lacking capability to formulate a sentence.

So I realize that what you’re trying to tell me is for a few patches, Riot fucked up, and made his AP scaling too trashy, introduced tank items that were too strong on him, and made his tank stats too strong and so he was played as a tank for all of 5 patches? You’re not talking about consistent long term play, no, You’re talking about a period of time where riot fucked up their intended design and weren’t able to fix it for several patches because it was esports time. And, furthermore, the reason why he was so good as a tank was because 1) conqueror didn’t exist 2) IE didn’t give true damage 3) lots of assassins 4) his damage reduction was broken 5) he could share his busted ass damage reduction with his adc/teammate during his ult.

Old galio was always an AP bruiser. Riot, when reworking galio, mentioned they wanted to make him an ap bruiser. Riot, then fucked up. Then that design stuck around for a few patches before they decided to fix him. And now, since more true damage is in the game, that old galio has become an impossibility. I’m sorry this is so hard for you to comprehend.

Are you just stupid or ignorant the galio rework come out in 7.6 that is 15 patchs he was played as a tank and never in that time was he playing anything close to a ap bruiser unless building only rod counts the reason tank galio died was because they nerf his base damage and give him more ap scaling. Also the galio rework was designed to be a tank that is not my opinion it is a fact galio was given lines and a story that sets him up to hate magic and again he was played as a tank for the majority of season 7 if they wanted him to be a ap champion at the start riot would of done it sooner. Also the majority of people do not want galio to be a bruiser when he was a tank he had a constant play rate and it was higher then now but after riot made him ap people stop playing him.

Axzarious14 votes

If you ask me, they should have taken a page from his older self and given Galio lower AP ratios, but have him also given his damage spells scaling off of MR.

Ragnaveil2 votes

His job use to be anti-mage, but nowadays with this rework he's either anti-everything or anti-nothing. I agree they should take a few pages from old Galio to use in this rework to even out and fix some of the issues.

Sire Hippington9 votes

rework was amazing but pro play destroyed it.

wouldn't say the rework was amazing, since it's the cause of all the issues you complain about. You can't yank such a butload of CC and Utillity onto a champ and then expect him to have even more damage than the pre-rework version while beeing balanced. There is no way he can keep that CC AND damage and be balamced in the hands of players that know how to abuse both. Witht he kit they gave him, they doomed him to be a tank for balance sake, cause you can't allow his sudo mage style to be strong with that much utillity, yet they desperatly try to preserve his old magey feel to cover up the fact that their 'rework' was simply an entierly new champion replaceing an deleted older one... It's like Returning Alistar to his S1 AP scaleings, haveing a burst mage with hard initiation and enough initail tankiness tools to survive beeing the main engage even on a near glass-cannon built.

Fire Blaustoise1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sire Hippington,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EV6OMUJr,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-12-22T23:50:35.264+0000)

wouldn't say the rework was amazing, since it's the cause of all the issues you complain about. You can't yank such a butload of CC and Utillity onto a champ and then expect him to have even more damage than the pre-rework version while beeing balanced. There is no way he can keep that CC AND damage and be balamced in the hands of players that know how to abuse both.

Its not the kit. Its the balance (balance team). HIs damages could be tunned down, he was more than viable when he was build full tank. Sadly riot have no plan to make tank tank, riot and tanks players want damages on top of tanks job.

Sire Hippington1 votes

It's not the kit in isolation, but in relation to the fact that it's a Gallio-rework, and beeing played as a sudo mage always was core to Gallios identity and it's basically the last link between new and old Gallio. If they remove that, they admit that they failed the rework and actually deleted a champion... And for a Mage-ish playstyle, that Kit is a big issue.

Also, i think most tank players prefer actually haveing a chance to survive for a long time and beeing disruptive rather than bursting people, rather than seeing 50% of their health disapear as truedamage thx to conqueror and IE...

D357R0Y3R2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sire Hippington,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EV6OMUJr,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-12-22T23:50:35.264+0000)

wouldn't say the rework was amazing,

It was sarcasm

Sire Hippington1 votes

hard to detected that sarcasm with the 'but proplay destroyed it' following...

John McJohnface1 votes

"but nobody is going to complain, the boards love galio, poor champ ruined by pro play, rework was amazing but pro play destroyed it"

He is clearly doing an imitation of the boards' opinion galio

ankoanko191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sire Hippington,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EV6OMUJr,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2018-12-23T16:26:16.202+0000)

hard to detected that sarcasm with the 'but proplay destroyed it' following...

He meant how the boards and reddit like to portray him as.

SnugglePuggle948 votes

Pft. His rework is a disgrace.

Old Galio actually counters AP but not melees and is way better than this crap.

He needs to be reverted.

GrãñðmãstêrShãçø6 votes

Old galio was way better than this new one

King Lego5 votes

Remember the Galio Q disaster? I remember seeing a literally 1 shot from just a Q to a 10k HP Cho'Gath.

Personally, i don't have much memories of old Galio. So i can't speak about him much and if his rework was a success or not. Or even good or bad design to say the least too.

PaffWasTaken5 votes

True. A tanky champion aimed to be anti-mage and rewarded to build anti-mage should have definite weaknesses, instead of being an "anti-everything" tank

Minimac20004 votes

The problem is they keep balancing galio into a freaking full ap mage. If they just pushed him back to a tank top laner no one would have any problems

Dracocrash4 votes

Remember when people said the galio changes were a "nerf". lol

Fire Blaustoise3 votes

every fucking time** Galio is "viable"** I get a reminder of how he's going to just destroy d1 games because there galio players have a brain and can play him properly

Yeah, sadly riot and this board only think about winrate and the famous "50% wr"

poor champ ruined by pro play, rework was amazing but pro play destroyed it. what a fucking joke of design to have a champion who's supposed to counter AP damage, but mechanically counters all melees, also deal as much damage as a mage and has waveclear, 10/10 rework.

Riot shifting tanks into bruisers V2.

Felt really weird to be 100%-0 by a Galio lv5 with only item 3145. I swear no Akali nor Irelia would kill me so fast at this level.

ankoanko191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fire Blaustoise,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EV6OMUJr,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-22T22:07:47.822+0000)

Yeah, sadly riot and this board only think about winrate and the famous "50% wr"

Riot shifting tanks into bruisers V2.

Felt really weird to be 100%-0 by a Galio lv5 with only item 3145. I swear no Akali nor Irelia would kill me so fast at this level.

Akali doesn't even kill people that fast. She's a very slow assassin.

Noor Sakata3 votes

Here's a thing about why Galio is always a good pick High Elo and Pro play , Tankiness + CC means everything no one cares about his Damage , as long as he is tanky with CC , he will always be viable , like How the 47% winrate Sej got nerfed because she was pick/ban in pro play Galio has 3 cc abilities , 2 of them are knock ups..

IG Ziko3 votes

U know why Rioters stopped replying on the boards? Because everyone who got smashed by a champion makes a thread about him. Since when did win rate become the deciding factor of how strong a champion is?

Cassio has 54.7% in mid and 55.2% win rate in top. Why u didn't speak about that? Gnar and Mundo have 46% win rate why u don't ask for buffs for them? Because when it's Mundo we can't buff him even if his win rate is 40% but when it's a champion we hate, win rates suddenly become relevant. Pantheon, Karthus, Shaco, Kassadin, Pyke, Zilean, Cassio all have higher win rates than him.

Spoiler: Aftershock level 1 gives u 70 Armor and MR. Maybe, just maybe, u cant kill him for that reason. Just like Aftershock gragas or lissandra mid.

GayFluffyUnicorn8 votes

Maybe because they don't know what they are doing so it would be pointless to answer?

Like how riot maple says "what makes you think that tiamat nerf was targeted at jax?" like they don't even understand the effects their changes have.

Mundo cannot be buffed because his kit is a cancerous piece of shit.

Enough people are complaining about cassio or more specifically mages but mages are untouchable you cannot talk about them on these boards.

Fire Blaustoise6 votes

Enough people are complaining about cassio or more specifically mages but mages are untouchable you cannot talk about them on these boards.

This.

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Maybe because they don't know what they are doing so it would be pointless to answer?

Like how riot maple says "what makes you think that tiamat nerf was targeted at jax?" like they don't even understand the effects their changes have.

I mean how could we trust the balance team after the -3 AD on Graves, the -5ms on Irelia, the "Wukong is on the strongside", "the camille top tier during this whole season" (top then jng), still no nerf planned for Urgot... ???

They still have to decide if they should balance for silvers or high elo. And need to stop focusing on wr.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

And this is exactly what i mean. But boards does the same shit for whatever reason.

STOP FOCUSING ON WINRATE. Hurr durr -3AD brought graves winrate down. NO SHIT NERFING HIS NUMBERS MAKES HIM WEAKER, nevertheless they buffed his base HP, gave him his W that stupid ass slow, more Q dmg and ult cooldown buff.

Jax Q now slows you, E knocks you up after full duration and jax ult procc now heals him additionally now we nerf his base armor by 5 and AD by 3 he has a 47% winrate now. Great. balanced forever.

Make league fun again by actually balancing champions. Another great example? Nocturne. Let's buff his E duration and ult duration great he is broken and cancerous as shit to play against. Let's nerf his dmg a bit aaaaand he is balanced forever. No i still hate to play against this shit champion ever since these specific buffs doesn't matter the winrate.

Yeah that is true riot still trying to do this tandem of balancing for low elo, pro play and sometimes high elo.

Fuck low elo, every single game i played that focused on appealing casuals died because if there is no progress for you or way to get better you get bored and people leave.

I used to complain about garen and yi and stuff too years ago. Then i got gud.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

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Hurr durr -3AD brought graves winrate down. NO SHIT NERFING HIS NUMBERS MAKES HIM WEAKER,

What are you trying to argue for?

Almost everyone except GO Tynx stopped playing Graves in high elo, even streamers like Rush don't play him now the only one playing him are garbage autofilled players like imaqtpie who can't play jungle

so how is graves still op after the -3 ad nerf= ?

edit: http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=t%C3%BDnx

kek even Tynx THE GRAVES of EUW stopped playing him

Fire Blaustoise1 votes

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What are you trying to argue for?

Almost everyone except GO Tynx stopped playing Graves in high elo, even streamers like Rush don't play him now

Tarzaned still play him. Graves has 12,84% pickrate in master + and 8,4% ban in same tier.

the only one playing him are garbage autofilled players like imaqtpie who can't play jungle

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=JG+OP+ROLE+

http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=F1oraOvO+

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Aesthetic+DeviI

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Μajd

D357R0Y3R1 votes

out of the 4 links, only one dude played graves recently and went 1 win 4 defeats, and just this "majd" went 3 wins 1 defeat

nice

notice how all of those almost only play lee sin? graves must be op

Fire Blaustoise1 votes

depend what you mean by recent. the - 3 AD was before preseason. Comparing to their most played champ, i think their playrate on graves is relevant enough.

Madj has 70% wr during this preseason on 20 games his most played champ is Draven (44 games), then lee (41 games) &nida (31 games). Seems like he's fooling around during this pres, he's a main jng and Graves usualy.

Fire Blaustoise1 votes

U know why Rioters stopped replying on the boards? Because everyone who got smashed by a champion makes a thread about him. Since when did win rate become the deciding factor of how strong a champion is?

OP talk about high elo, its really different than the usual [insertxnoobstomper] thread. And then he use wr cause on this board low elo players only "understand" this, but cause he's not dishonest he also use pickrate. Just look at some thinking Galio has a bad scaling.

Cavesloth3 votes

Just revert him.

Bretonnian2 votes

Hes terribly designed. He SHOULD NOT, have ANY abilities dedicated purely to dealing damage. If Sion Q didnt knock up, and it only did damage, sion players would have to choose between tanky or damage playstyle. Just as Galio has done in the past, full ap to do some dmg, or full tank. To shove him in one corner they add more damage. On a champ with one damage ability. So the player expects his Galios Q to be equal to a fuckin nuke, while his enemy has to sit and ask why one ability hurt him so bad. Pissssa poor design

Minimac20001 votes

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Hes terribly designed. He SHOULD NOT, have ANY abilities dedicated purely to dealing damage. If Sion Q didnt knock up, and it only did damage, sion players would have to choose between tanky or damage playstyle. Just as Galio has done in the past, full ap to do some dmg, or full tank. To shove him in one corner they add more damage. On a champ with one damage ability. So the player expects his Galios Q to be equal to a fuckin nuke, while his enemy has to sit and ask why one ability hurt him so bad. Pissssa poor design

so exactly the mistake they made with zoe?

ValiantKiller2 votes

Cause balance team doesn't have degree in game balance

Jerry SeinfeId2 votes

27% max hp damage on an ability dealing 600 damage. But god forbid leo gets % hp damage to actually stand a chance in toplane.

Jinzo Torrance2 votes

LMAO

Old Malzahar W would do [6%(+1% per 100AP)] max hp each second for 5 seconds, costing 110 mana and with a static 14 sec CD and needing to ult you to get the damage off (and his ult would keep you in it for 3 sec max).

Now Galio does [6%(+4% per 100AP)] max hp over 1.5 seconds with [230(+90% AP)](<-- too much anyway) damage at the start, for 90 mana and 8 sec CD and with the CC on basic abilitites to make you stay in it.

I honestly suggest you stop playing this game competitively or you play champion like Irelia/Camille who can do this and only gets -5MS or -0.2AS: https://clips.twitch.tv/SarcasticTiredBobaDatBoi

MadHatHacker2 votes

Gallio's way too strong right now, for sure. But his damage isn't nearly as relevant as his sudden mana sustain. His reduced mana costs and massive pool lets him hard push you straight up under turret and then go fish for ults in sidelines, which makes him extremely oppressive even when his lane opponent is handling him properly.

2Charmnot2Charm1 votes

27% of enemies' max hp

wait WHAT?

Tausif20024 votes

still not as bad as patch 7.21 Galio with literally 27% max health per tick

Rhai5 votes

GUST MAGIC DAMAGE: 70 / 110 / 150 / 190 / 230 (+ 90% AP)

«TOTAL TORNADO MAGIC DAMAGE: 6% (+ 4% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health

WrÆth1 votes

The main thing that kept galio in check was adc like champions that could shred his health. With pretty much every true adc out of the meta now, namely his counter corki, there's no one that can really shred through his innate tankiness anymore and he just hard counters assassins.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

they need to refocus on his magic damage tank theme, and ability to support allies, then get away from flashy lcs big team play game play, (the ult was a bad move)

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