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Why is Jarvan getting buffed - again - without solving his issues first

Zero Skill Tank··3 votes·1,110 views

Don't get me wrong, there are champions with kits far more problematic than JarvanIV, and he is not so strong that such a buff would break him (especially since it mostly helps toplane Jarvan, and he is mostly doing allright in the jungle), but at the same time mobility creep is at all time highest - first 5 most played mids are all hyper-mobile champions - and Riot is buffing a champion who's kit completely invalidates immobile champions with less than 1.4k range, while being mostly a mild annoyance to anyone with a dash.

Could something first be done to make his kit more target-agnostic, like making his wall ult knock-down dashes, at least on initial shock, instead?

I really don't want to hate JarvanIV, but in situation when he punishes you like hell because you dared to pick a traditional mage, while doing very little against assassins and skirmishers who jump all over the place, I kind of do.

3 Comments

WalkingInACircle1 votes

I mean, basic jarvan is just ulting after they dash, if they have one. It has a gap closer.

Zero Skill Tank2 votes

Of course he can do that, but that's much less effective than what he can do against champions who are immobile in the first place. He will either need to have someone else to force/bait this dash, or walk up close enough to dash-in with his Q-E, wait for the dash and then ult. Alternatively he can ult first, and then cancel enemy dash with a well-timed E-Q.

Meanwhile vs immobile champions he can just E-Q-R any time he sees them, which gives him free reign over them, because there are very few abilities in the game that outrange this E-Q-R combo.

LTK KoRo2 votes

And then J4 is 1400 units away from his team, without any abilities to deal damage (outside of his impact R damage). Only Lethality J4 can kill people with r+aa, and he have to be REALLY far ahead to do that.

If you're playing a mage, and you can't survive three seconds with J4 without any spells in his arena, then well, i'd say it's your fault.

J4 doing e+q+r combo without hitting you with e+q can kill you only when you're alone, and he have a backup. Which means... you were out of position.

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