Honestly, Hecarim, Lee and Zac all need some prettt decent nerfs right now

HateDaddy··16 votes·1,028 views

Lee because his ability to gank with high success rate because of low CDs and absurd early game damage

Hecarim because he completes Trinity and just deletes your backline

Zac because being ganked from fog of war is fun

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Adanim9 votes

Lee Sin is really strong right now because of the changes to armor pen and stealth. He does have high early game damage, but he falls off pretty hard later in the game to the point where he is just an Ult-Bot. It is hard to deal with him early for many champions simply because they don't have the same level of power in the first 10 minutes compared to him. But that doesn't make him worthy of nerfs. I see more Lee Sin players struggle to be effective these days compared to season 4.

Hecarim is in the same ballpark as Lee, but instead it was the changes to Trinity Force and Ghost and the addition of CotC that made him stronger. He doesn't fall off as hard as Lee, but he doesn't have the damage to really do anything against a coordinated team in a late-game teamfight. Nerfs to CotC will put him in a good spot.

Zac complaints actually confuse me. If he fails a single gank he falls way behind and his damage after the 15 minute mark is abysmal unless he goes with AP items, and if he goes with an AP item or two he is sacrificing tank stats, making him easier to kill. And if you see Zac on the other team just pick Alistar or Thresh. They can completely prevent him from hitting your team. He isn't nearly as bad as he was in season 3. He is impactful, sure, but I don't think nerfing him is the right call. CotC nerfs will fix him, for the most part.

All 3 of these guys also really benefit from the experience cheese that you get from Krugs more so than most other junglers. Once they fix that I think a lot of the problems with them will go away.

doodlebob6661 votes

in the case of zac he is a bit overpowered, even with CotC nerf he will still be pretty strong. The new jungle is insanely good for him since he can clear both raptors and krugs better than almost any champion in the game, he doesn't need drastic nerfs maybe lower his w cooldown by 1 at rank one or something small like that.

ShaolinToilet1 votes

I've seen Lee 1 shot ADCs after 40 mins

Astôlfo1 votes

First of all, he can't unless he builds like an idiot. Second of all, if he does do it, the damage is perfectly reasonable.

bad arcade kitty6 votes

not them colossus needs a nerf

HateDaddy4 votes

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not them colossus needs a nerf

They were all borderline broken/Op before new masteries

VorpalKitsune1 votes

It seems to me it is more that the top tear got nerfed so they are good now, not that they are overpowered. At least as far as hecarim and zac are concerned

Ralanr5 votes

Was the landing indicator on Zac's E not enough?

Though I agree on Hecarim. I would with Lee, but I've given up hope of ever seeing him nerfed.

Cowseed2 votes

On to more important matters: Do you think I should wear a blue shirt or red shirt tomorrow?

xWaters1 votes

Well I'm wearing a red shirt

paperbIade1 votes

hecarim does no damage late game

Astôlfo1 votes

Lee is a bit overtuned and the new jungle has hurt his competitors far more than it hurt him. Hecarim and Zac are perfectly balanced. CotC is the only issue, hence the incoming nerfs.

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