Twitch had his W mana cost nerfed

doublelift fg·Dec 9, 2016·65 votes·1,968 views

but spamming traps everywhere in the lane and blocking you under your tower constantly is fun i guess

said no one ever

26 Comments

hhaavviikkDec 9, 201623 votes

Sivir I think it's fun

doublelift fgDec 9, 20161 votes

LOL YEAH, pick a trash champ with 500 range and get outranged by cait

fun indeed

INoble KnightIDec 9, 201611 votes

It's that kind of statement which makes certain champs be picked over others thus creating these situations. You are part of the problem.

notice me Sin piDec 9, 2016

*400 range

RisenDarkKnightDec 9, 20162 votes

Sivir has effectively more than 550 range with her W bounces and Q.

Sona x RubickDec 9, 20161 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Sivir

sivir has 500 range, and her Q+W cost too much mana. In theory you're going to say that she gains mana with her E but it's still not enough, and caitlyn can just outpoke you from 650 range no matter of spellshield

The Great DivideDec 9, 20161 votes

Except, your w bounces often make that range far extended. Once you get essence reaver you will constantly push cait to her tower where she's useless. And your ult makes your entire team sonic, so no little e-net-dash is gonna save her from an entire team romping over her body.

The first couple of levels are rough. But the later the game goes, the more sivir will outstrengthen caitlyn.

GrReaper96Dec 9, 20163 votes

Yeah free mana forvever

Awesomedude8888Dec 10, 20162 votes

Le spellshield OP

Guy Fox TeemoDec 9, 201612 votes

Cait had a 50% winrate while twitch had 57% so......

MarshbouyDec 10, 20162 votes

Shh. Don't bring statistics here.

OrangesilkDec 9, 201610 votes

Twitch needed nerfs desperately, he was in a state of brokenness that's hard to put into words.

Cait on the other hand is super-annoying and super safe, but not gamebreaking yet. Probably once Vayne and Twitch have been nerfed into an acceptable state we can see if she needs tuning.

doublelift fgDec 9, 20163 votes

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Cait on the other hand is super-annoying and super safe, but not gamebreaking yet.

where are you living? cait has 55% win rate in master along with jhin and vayne while having a shit ton of game played. those 3 are god tier and twitch went even beyond them with the last patch

OrangesilkDec 9, 201613 votes

Winrate in Master is not meaningful since it's such a small sample size. Cait is very solid, yeah, but 99% of the reason she's so solid is as a counterpick to Vayne and Jhin.

Like I said, let's wait and see how the meta shuffles after the really degenerate ADCs have been nerfed. Nerfing a champion because it's annoying is a terrible way to balance, and it's what keeps champions such as Aatrox Chogath Urgot in the gutter.

doublelift fgDec 9, 20161 votes

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Winrate in Master is not meaningful since it's such a small sample size

3000 games are enough to judge

OrangesilkDec 9, 201611 votes

Champion.gg has a much more representative high-elo sample, with 80k+ Cait games in Plat+, in these she has a decent 51.5% winrate, as opposed to Twitch which sports 56.7% across 35k games. Now THAT'S degenerate.

BlakiepugDec 10, 20161 votes

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Winrate in Master is not meaningful since it's such a small sample size. Cait is very solid, yeah, but 99% of the reason she's so solid is as a counterpick to Vayne and Jhin.

Like I said, let's wait and see how the meta shuffles after the really degenerate ADCs have been nerfed. Nerfing a champion because it's annoying is a terrible way to balance, and it's what keeps champions such as in the gutter.

Mr. Kench... :( Someone help my fatfish.

Meep ManDec 9, 20165 votes

The difference is Twitch is actually OP

SpârkyDec 9, 20162 votes

I fully agree with this. I think cait is safe but if you AND your support play it right you can easily bully her out of lane to miss more cs. Where as twitch would just rape you with all his dmg.

Ionian VulpixDec 9, 20162 votes

Twitch was very strong and did need nerfs. And Riot hates him, so if his Wingate remains even slightly above average expect him to be Nerfed further.

Kharn SkyshatterDec 9, 20161 votes

Not like World's won't boil down to Jhin and Cait again due to their range+the safety that extra range affords them. Riot usually nerfs Twitch before the World's patch every season.

DengedenDec 9, 20161 votes

Yeah, she definitely had a winrate like twitch. And she can autopush waves with her traps like twitch.

TheFancySkeletonDec 10, 20161 votes

Can someone explain to me what happened to Twitch please?

xelakerDec 10, 20161 votes

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Can someone explain to me what happened to Twitch please?

he has a small nerf to his poison chucking ability, I'm not a twitch main lol. and a small nerf to the damage his poison does. fine changes people just like to cry.