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Janna's win rate: Truth about bot lane.

Woook3r··1 votes·1,317 views

Jana's win rate Is deceptively low. She has a 50% win rate with lucian, and a 51% win rate with ezreal and she is more frequently picked with those adc's than with any other. and that shit is skewing her win rate. Those two adc's are picked in over 50% of games.

So janna's win rate is 53% even though shes going to get lucian or ezreal in about half her games. So lets do some math. In that half her games shes got a 50.5% win rate.

In all the games where shes got other adcs, shes got (2*(53.6%-50.5%))+50% = 56% win rate according to my calculations. And low and behold. Comps where janna + jinx are played have a 56% win rate. Same for MF.

And now we see why adcs cry all the fucking time. Riot has to balance the adc role around the SUPPORT ROLE, not around the adc role. And it #feelsBadMan.

ADC has to sacrifice their power to carry the game just so that support players feel like they matter. Cause they generally dont. There are just a few that break that mold.

Theres a power budget in bot lane that RIOT has clearly been following for the past 2 years, as far as I can see.. A strong adc + a strong support will always have an insane win rate and will always dominate the meta. And these strong champions will be picked in EVERY GAME if they have the strength to 2v8 carry. So that CANT HAPPEN and adc's have to deal with the SHIT they get put through every game.

ADD ONTO THAT the fact that NOONE LIKES SUPPORT, and that means that the support will get the fat side of the cookie so that we can have reasonable q times. Cause if there werent strong ass supports that dominate lane, who the fuck would want to play support? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE.

So just so I can say I told you so:

We will probably be seeing Jinx nerfs next patch with no mention of sona nerfs. I would say that jana will not have nerfs, but the fact that she just got a star guardian skin makes me think she def will. Also the fact that she has a safe laning phase and broken late game sets her up for the nerf bat. The patch after jinx gets nerfed will see mf get nerfed. Or maybe vayne. Not sure.

Im going to stop playing this game and start watching just the bot lane nerfs that come in. And then im going to give myself a pat on the back because im going to find that riot is 100% predictable in the bot lane balance changes. The lane is too fucking mathematical and the champions are too fucking simple.

33 Comments

Eedat6 votes

SION HAS AN 88% WIN RATE WHEN PLAYED WITH CORKI!!!!!!!!!

http://champion.gg/champion/Sion/Support

TARIC HAS A 58% WIN RATE WHEN PLAYED WITH TWITCH!!!!!!

http://champion.gg/champion/Taric/Support

BLITZCRANK HAS A 59% WINRATE WHEN PLAYED WITH MF!!!!!!!!!!!

http://champion.gg/champion/Blitzcrank/Support

GUT THESE FREELO CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!

Starting to realize how stupid this argument sounds?

Woook3r1 votes
  1. Blizcrank is broken. He also has a counter (ezreal) and that means he isnt the most obvious problem in the world.
  2. Taric stun + invisible ghostblade twitch is broken. Why are you even trying to make this argument? Edit, again according to league of graphs, what you say is not even true.
  3. Sion does not have the win rate you claim according to leagueofgraphs. If chammp.gg wants to do some shady data sampling then so be it but that doesnt mean you have any argument.

EDIT: LeaugeofGraphs does not have the ddata you have. And I trust them more than champion.gg which is buggy as hell.

Flaherty2 votes

Blitzcrank's counter is don't position yourself like an idiot

Woook3r1 votes

blitzcrank is viable in diamond master and challenger. getting pulled by blitz does not make you an idiot. he just buys mobi boots and makes you misposition.

Eedat5 votes

Thats exactly my point. It isnt a valid argument. And it also spills over into your argument. You're crying about Janna being OP because of certain synergies while completely ignoring others. Well guess what? Some champs synergize well with others that that should be rewarded for paying attention in champ select.

Other than that this is just another whiny QQ thread of "X champion is op and here are my garbage reasons. Do not try to apply my points to different situations or champions because I'll stick my head in the sand"

Woook3r1 votes

ok. ill come back to this next patch when we see the nerfs i predicted.

Eedat2 votes

Why do that when you can see all the live changes here?

http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html

Wanna guess how many of your changes are on there? Do I really need to tell you or do you already know?

#None

Woook3r1 votes

yes. because those changes are going on the very next patch. Im talking about the next round of changes.

NiamhNyx3 votes

Problem with sona is, she is simple, but not in a good way. She is simple enough that people overthink her and fall. Those of us that know her and know how to play her pale in comparison to the amount of sona players that make her look weak.

wait wait wait, did you say no one wants to play support??? I AM A SUPPORT MAIN BRO

Woook3r1 votes

you are in silver 4. please come back when the bronze begins to flake off.

Dominick Destine2 votes

Janna gets nerfed every year.

with no mention of sona nerfs

Why the fiddle sticks would Sona get nerfed? she's nowhere near top support and ultra vulnerable to the current top supports like Alistar.

NiamhNyx2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EO7nEk4g,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-15T18:49:13.101+0000)

Janna gets nerfed every year.

Why the fiddle sticks would Sona get nerfed? she's nowhere near top support and ultra vulnerable to the current top supports like Alistar.

Im a sona main, She is actually one of supports on the "godly" list lol. Many people just dont know how to play her well enough in the support role to give her a nerf.

Flaherty1 votes

Except she has like one of the easiest kits?

Woook3r1 votes

yea im not sure what you are talking about either. Maybe you mean her resource management, which is her one problem. She has 600 range, empowered autos, and a fucking heal. Then when she gets out of lane, shes got an simple Simon ass aoe stun to ruin the day with.

I dont think she has a high skill floor. Maybe high ceiling. Probably not..shes average difficulty at best.

Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

Im a sona main, She is actually one of supports on the "godly" list

She gets destroyed by the top supports like Alistar... or how about Leona? or how about Brand? Blitzcrank?

Sona is great against non top tier support.

NiamhNyx1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EO7nEk4g,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2016-10-15T20:36:07.187+0000)

She gets destroyed by the top supports like Alistar... or how about Leona? or how about Brand? Blitzcrank?

Sona is great against non top tier support.

She does not get destroyed by them, Well, spme do because they dont know how to play her. The problem with sona is she is simple and most people who play league cant seem to work well when they use a simple champion.

Leona does not destroy Sona, If leo focuses the sona, down goes her own ADC, if she focuses the ADC sona will ult and Leona's ADC will take more damage if not killed. They are about even, I can say that with confidence because I am level 7 sona and Level 6 Leona. Alistar can be a pain, but most of the time they arent going to be able to protect their ADC if you collapse on them. Blitz? hes my favorite to face as sona, Easy to dodge long range grabs, and im free to poke the whole lane phase. Brand, Annie and Zyra are the only 3 sona has a horrible time against. Burst on top of CC.

Woook3r1 votes

according to league of graphs, sona, janna soraka are among the top 5 best champions.

Xoltar2 votes

I main support. -Drop the mic-

sheldonbunny1 votes

{quoted}

ADD ONTO THAT the fact that NOONE LIKES SUPPORT

I know I said vent to get it out of your system, but no reason to start lying. You're reaching critical mass on the baby raging. Might want to tone it down a notch.

Risk of Fate1 votes

Janna is really good at disengage and not much in the way of engage apart from her tornado. Getting a multi-man knockup is IMPOSSIBLE unless the enemy team comes at you in a straight lane. You'll mostly get two or three people, but above three is very hard. That being said, Lucian and Ezreal do not synergize well with her due to the fact they are heavy engage and poke.

This is coming from personal experience in low elo (mid silver to low gold) and every person who plays as Lucian and Ezreal always aggressively go forward. Janna is great at keeping her team alive, but is not a god at letting you go into a 1v2 under tower and then whine you only got a shield...

Her weakness is in aggressive plays which people are always impatient to pull off some LCS pro strat to take the team to victory. Whenever I get a carry who's patient enough for me to get a nice tornado off for the short stun has always won the trade 2v2 and there have been times where we could have died, yet I managed to keep my carry alive.

Woook3r1 votes

um no. janna synergizes just fine with them. the problem is that lucian and ezreal have a 48% win rate and janna can only convert that to a 50 and 53% win rate with her OP bullshit. Ez and Luc just drag her down a lot cause they cant scale into late game where she has a lot of power around the baron pit and in the jungle.

Best Kog NA1 votes

That's not how statistics work .-.

Woook3r1 votes

what did you get your degree in?

NiamhNyx1 votes

{quoted}

what did you get your degree in?

in leagueology >.> dont look it up, its a secret.

Woook3r1 votes

mhm. cause thats exactly how stats work. its called an equivalence class.

Best Kog NA1 votes

I'm a stats junkie, I like statistics and numbers

Woook3r1 votes

if you were a stats junkie and were any good at math then you would have a statistics degree and would make 100k+ at an insurance company, or maybe better.

Best Kog NA1 votes

I'm in highschool bimbo.

Woook3r1 votes

great. chances are you havnt even taken stats. nice.

Best Kog NA1 votes

Actually I have taken AP Stats and got a 5 on the AP test. And since I took it last year I can say with 100% confidence that that is not how statistics work.

Woook3r1 votes

i can say with 100% confidence that it is, but I didnt include every term in my equation. I left out the term that balances between the equivalence classes. I divide my games into three equivalence classes. Games with ezreal. Games with lucian. All other games.

I have a 50% win rate in the first eq and a 51% win rate in the second eq. Those eqs are both the same size. So I combine them into one eq with a 50.5% win rate. Assuming that 50% of my games are in this eq, I deduce that my win rate in the other eq is 56%. If you cant understand that look at this:

Ive played 10 games and my win rate on those games is 60%.

Loss/Loss/Loss/Loss/x/x/x/x/x/x We know I lost the first 4 games. I have a 0% win rate in those games. What is my win rate in the remaining 6 games? Its 100%.

(2*(100%.6-0%.4))+50% ~= 100%

Since the equivalence classes arent balanced in this example, the answer is only approximate. Not sure what to do with the 2. If the classes are equal in size, and they are, you can use this formula. Cant remember when they arent the same size/cant figure it out off the top of my head.

also, forum doesnt like the use of * as multiplication symbol. It turned an asterisk into italics font.

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