Why don't Shen and Singed have MR per level?

Kingsgrave··41 votes·3,981 views

Honest question.

Maokai has damage reduction and healing, but so does Gragas and he has MR per level.

Spammy heal, Rengar has MR per level.

Spammy shield, Riven has MR per level.

Even Galio has MR per level and he directly scales with the stat, gets 90 bonus MR already and a form of healing.

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Rebonack21 votes

I find it hilarious that Fighter/Tanks and Mage/Tanks have MR/level pretty much across the board, but several straight up Tank/Tanks don't.

Opistach12 votes

I honestly thought that all melees had MR per level.

Kingsgrave3 votes

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I honestly thought that all melees had MR per level.

Kass and Yasuo dont have it anymore because they are already oppressive against mages at points, but for some reason Fizz still has MR per level and so does Galio.

Opistach1 votes

I think Fizz still does because his only provides survivability from auto attacks.

I don't have a clue why Galio would.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Well, Kassadin reduces all magic damage by 15%. Yasuo is overnerfed, imo, he could get any MR/lvl.

Mahnigguh5 votes

galio is an an anti AP tank so His MR makes sense. Riven and rengar are fighters so don't benefit form buying MR outright so they have small amounts per level. shen singed and mao are all ap tanks who have MR in their itemization...makes sense to me

Kingsgrave2 votes

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galio is an an anti AP tank so His MR makes sense. Riven and rengar are fighters so don't benefit form buying MR outright so they have small amounts per level. shen singed and mao are all ap tanks who have MR in their itemization...makes sense to me

Gragas

Mahnigguh1 votes

Gragas - i put him with rengar and riven... he is not meant to be glass cannon but he is not full tank either and even though it is more viable for him to build mr, he lanes against AP and is meant to be up close and personal. he like an ap bruiser

TehNACHO3 votes

Gragas is more of an AP Bruiser than a straight tank.

Long Dong Wukong4 votes

Riot likes it on some kits and doesn't on others. They just want some characters to be weaker against magic.

It used to be kind of okay, but nowadays AP can't be itemized against properly so it kind of hurts a lot worse than back in the day.

Hugonauts4 votes

Kassadin, Maokai, Poppy, Shen, Singed and Yasuo are the only melee champions to NOT get bonus MR / level,

Kingsgrave1 votes

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Kassadin, Maokai, Poppy, Shen, Singed and Yasuo are the only melee champions to NOT get bonus MR / level,

Gragas used to be on that list but they gave him MR per level when they reworked him

Waffletimewarp2 votes

Just guessing, but it could be because His ult gives a metric bleepton of MR on a fairly low cooldown.

Kingsgrave12 votes

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Just guessing, but it could be because His ult gives a metric bleepton of MR on a fairly low cooldown.

Galio

EndlessSorcerer15 votes

Galio only got MR per level as compensation for the nerf to Athene's MR. It was a core item on him and he was in a bad place already, so they didn't want to hurt him as well and compensated him.

lDontLiftIcarry2 votes

MR vs item 3135 Yeah...................................................................................

Im so bad yuck2 votes

Galio got his bonus because of Grail getting its MR lowered. I'm serious here. Nokia and Gragas are helluva strong. Shen doesn't get MR/level because (iirc) 'there are better ways to buff him'. And Singed becomes a supertank when you press R, so...

Joe Dredd2 votes

Spammy heal, Rengar has MR per level.

Don't lump Rengar in there. Rengar has one of the lowest base health regens in game, his heal isn't even that strong, and he has to sacrifice both damage and CC for it.

NoFunWithNunu15 votes

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Don't lump Rengar in there. Rengar has one of the lowest base health regens in game, his heal isn't even that strong, and he has to sacrifice both damage and CC for it.

Resourceless champ, deal with it m8

Joe Dredd1 votes

Lol.

Angry Monster1 votes

same reason that mao does not. Though riot has never said why.

NotDevan1 votes

Because that would make the tanks "too tanky". (The exact reasoning why Shen's shield was nerfed a while back).

Sightless661 votes

When they were made, MR itemization was more robust. Because they were tanks who could deal with burst pretty well and worked well with the health and MR items of the time, giving them scaling MR wasn't seen as necessary. It was never changed since.

femmé1 votes

i run scaling mr runes on singed since having based mr isn't good for someone who's just going to get a shit ton of health b4 mr and armor most times.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Singed fights by running away. So I can theoretically see it on him. Shen.............. Not so much.

Sammystorm1 votes

maokai just recently got mr per level.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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maokai just recently got mr per level.

When did this happen? On live he still has no scaling MR.

Sammystorm1 votes

hmmm maybe they were just talking about it and it never happened because I was definitely mistaken.

1vLiNK096C1 votes

Singed gets a ton of health from his mana, so to be honest - in my opinion they shouldn't give him scaling magic resist. Just get runes.Singed

Cindikle1 votes

Singed lost his because of his ulti and he was problematic at the time.

Unsure about Shen.

Done251 votes

Tl;Dr - When Riot was handing out MR per level Shen and Singed were very powerful. so they didn't want to nerf a different aspect of their kit to make room for the MR

kirbyzama1 votes

I'm all for buffing shen but I'm not sure about singed. Shen doesn't have defensive steroids like singed does.

As for Gragas having mr per level and not Maokai its because he just kept it after his rework from burst mage to ap fighter and there wasn't much need to change it. Riven and Rengar have decent defense stats because they have little health or regen. They are disincentivized from buying defense as they ought to be played with damage so they get at least some defense naturally. Even Riven's defenses scale with offence. Its so when they build glass cannon they don't keel over and die and while building tank they may get more base stats they just aren't as useful in that role as a true tank.

Another example of this behavior is in the AD stat. ADC don't have good starting ad stats because they are expected to build that stat. In reverse Maokai who is a tank has an AD of 63.544 at level one, the highest in the game because he won't build the stat so this keeps his attacks relevant.

brad1 votes

galio doesnt count they gave him mr per level when they nerfed the athenes mr

Junkο1 votes

Singed has his ult give him 35/50/80 MR.

Idk for Shen

BasicExp1 votes

This is because they were once upon a time basically impossible to kill if you built them straight tank. You use to get to do builds that had little MR opting for stacking health instead. The result was a boarder line unkillable death machine that would walk through your team, eat all of your ults and then just kill carries anyways.

Edit:

To be more specific, the way Shen's and Singed abilities work is the reason why. If Shen stacks endless health he gets large damage off of his passive and large health return on his Q.

Singed is just generally unkillable with his ult and passive, giving him MR would just make him ridiculous.

Season 1 stacking Sunfire Capes anyone?

Instead of nerfing several items to bring a few champs in line, Riot took away or did not give some tanks scaling MR. Trust me, this is a good thing.

Regards,

Basic.

ravenswolfy1 votes

bring back force of nature

Gorsz1 votes

Singed would be unkillable with MR per level.

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