Its about time for LeBlanc to not be able to instantly blink back to her W and Ulted W just like Zed can't instantly blink back to his R shadow. Its pretty obnoxious to play against LB when she can burst you while remaining insanely safe.
Live2LetDie13 votesThe difference is you can hit lb when she jumps at you, you can do that while zed is ulting. They removed her silence which basically made it so you can counter her diving
Dedrius24 votesBut she still can burst half your health instantly while you can only return like an auto before she blinks back.
Live2LetDie17 votesany form of cc/tank destroys lb. Champs like cho, annie, xerath, syndra, fizz all destroy her. If your losing against lb then its your skill level being to low.
Dedrius4 votesXerath, syndra, and fizz do not destroy her I don't know why people are saying that, its a skill matchup for fizz and I would say leblanc has the edge in lane vs xerath and syndra
I also think my "skill level" is fine thank you though
Live2LetDie3 votesfiz troll polls 2 of her skills, xerath and syn both stun/burst her if she comes in. She is mana hungry if she trys to poke, cant farm if she trys to poke, and is squish. I guess ill ask, why do you believe she needs a nerf, knowing any cc or bit of tank completely makes her worthless? I guess if someones reaction time is slow then an lb can just walk all over them but people who play regularly should play knowing she can jump on them at any time and be prepared to cc/counter.
Migrañaboy1 votesPractically you said OP to learn 2 counterplay.
It's been a while since plat+ players posted here. :v
Live2LetDie2 votesYa i guess, i mean he has sad multiple times its a skill match up but its really not. These are just basic skills mid lanners should have on every champ they play.
Dedrius2 votesWell i am a mid lane main and if you are playing against a good leblanc she had the advantage in most matchups. Her level 2-3 burst is just stupid for the amount of time you have to react to it. No mid laners are tanky level 2-3 where she first gets her burst so she basically chunks you and you either have to back or die level 5-6 and she basically auto wins lane either way.
It is a skill matchup in the same way Katarina vs Xerath, ahri, syndra is a skill matchup. Kat can poke you down or she can try to dodge your stun and jump on you.
Live2LetDie2 votesAgain not true, her damage at 1-3 comes from chaining her q with another skill. With the champs i have posted above she should never be able to get in range of her q without being punished hard. She is so squishy early that any range champ will have her poked down before 3. Most mid lane champs can handle her early with adjustments to play style.
PepTheQtxD2 votesAny form of cc destroys zed tho to. cho can still silence him when he ults..unless theres just a bug with cho silence and zed ult right now
Live2LetDie6 votesLb can be stunned mid dash while zeds ult cant be stopped. Meaning no matter what zed will put down damage. I have not argued that lb doesnt do damage, I am saying she already can be outplayed and you have time to react to every one of her abilities. Zed use to be able to insta dash back to shadow leaving no outplay.
PepTheQtxD2 votesOk, yes i understand what you mean but with zed ult you can use qss zhonyas i believe mikaels works to i might be wrong about that to cancel it. and then if your team is "smart" or just helpful they can peel if off or cc him i dont think leblanc should get the same thing but i also dont think zed's ult should of been changed how it was either, the last time zed was nerfed (his attack speed and his ad) riot said "Zed is a perfect example of a health assassin but we feel he has a little to much damage" or something like that correct me if im wrong, but obviously riot lied because this nerf pretty much tells us he isnt as healthy as riot said
Dedrius2 votesIf he would instadash back to his shadow he would do basically no damage because he would get no abilities or autos off.
Ulquiorra9951 votesOne of those two abilities is an ultimate which is a key part to a champion's burst combo. Other one is a gap close with a blink back attached which allows the champion to unload some serious unavoidable burst and can potentially be cast twice.
Live2LetDie1 votesOnce again it can be stopped mid dash, look at last game vs lb :) won lane against her with xerath like i said would happen. You can stun her mid dash.
LululuCawCaw1 votesWhat knows gold player about difference?
Live2LetDie1 votesWas that English? And this has nothing to do with rank lol esp since master and diamond tier don't play her that much.
Vistha Kai10 votesBack in Season 3 LB was a troll champ with 40% winrate and nobody was whinning. She got picked in LCS once and the whinning became really boring really quick.
I could name like 15 champions that I could use any day any match and stomp LeBlanc... but you won't care to learn anyway.
Oh, I don't even play LB.
Dedrius2 votesWhat are the 15 champions? I can think of galio
Vistha Kai15 votes
Dedrius6 votesnone of those champions "stomp" LeBlanc in lane and some of them get trashed by her haha.
Ahri, Syndra, xerath, and fizz all lose pretty hard and the rest are all skill matchups aside from vlad who gets absolutely stomped early by early strength/burst.
If you are saying some of these champions outscale LB then I agree but she can snowball way too hard before that happens.
Vistha Kai10 votesAhri, Syndra, xerath, and fizz all lose pretty hard
Dedrius5 votesAhri can't land her charm on a LeBlanc, Syndra and Xerath are bad against anyone who can get on top of them and burst them which LB can do easily, and Fizz will get poked down by 2 of her 3 abilities while he can only E one of them.
Sending a meme doesn't really add anything to the conversation.
Vistha Kai8 votesIf you can't Charm LB it means that you either are standing inside a minion wave or can't use skillshots for shit.
If you let LB come close as Syndra without killing her you must be one of those sub-40% winrate Syndra players.
Xerath stuns LB and dumps everything that isn't ult on her for free.
Actually, I lied. I don't own Fizz. Still, dodging Disortion in lane with Playful is the most important.
Dedrius5 votesIf LB jumps from her own wave onto ahri and back into her own wave then she can't land the charm unless she does it while LB is using distortion which is difficult.
You can't kill someone as syndra level 3 especially after the nerfs while LB can burst half your hp level 3.
It will be very hard to stun a LB as xerath, its like saying Xerath trashes Kat in lane for the same reason, except a good Kat or Leblanc will not get stunned.
Vistha Kai6 votesThat's why you have Scatter the Weak. You cancel LB's dash, she deals about 0 damage with her Q(because she doesn't max it first) and is stunned.
Unlike Kata, LB's damage is telegraphed. If she uses Disortion to dodge Charm or Xerath's stun she already lost all of her damage pre-6 and half of it post-6.
Dedrius3 votesI guess we are going to have to agree to disagree here my friend :p
Godhri9 votesyou realize he said originally that he would list 15 champs HE could stomp leblanc with. So while in theory, leblanc may seem to have an advantage, if you play skillfully, you can win. I agree with him on 13 of those champions.
Dedrius2 votesYeah but most of those champions are skill matchups, so if he is playing against a very good Leblanc, he will not be able to stomp her.
I was thinking more of matchups that in an even skill game, leblanc gets crushed.
I agree that there are a good amount of skill matchups for her but I just don't think there are very many strong matchups against her.
Godhri2 votesYeah but most of those champions are skill matchups, so if he is playing against a very good Leblanc, he will not be able to stomp her.
I was thinking more of matchups that in an even skill game, leblanc gets crushed.
I agree that there are a good amount of skill matchups for her but I just don't think there are very many strong matchups against her.
This is true. Not many matchups are particularly strong against her but I feel her squishy late game makes up for that assuming you don't lose before that comes around.
Vistha Kai3 votesThank you for agreeing with me and seeing reason. :)
Can you please tell me which two of those you don't see winning with LB?
I think I might've added Vlad to easily, guess that's one. On the second thought I'd replace him with Cassio.
Godhri2 votesJarvan and Riven. With Jarvan, it's just a roflstomp no matter what skill unless the skill disparity is HUGE.
I've never tried playing riven against LB since I'm a horrid riven player but I have played LB against rivens and I've roflstomped them.
Decaedeus3 votesI'm guessing the reason he added Riven is because, with appropriate reaction time, you can dash INTO the QW, nullifying the Q damage and dodging the W damage (it's a circle). You then stun her before she can port back and hit her a couple times. Theoretically Riven is a very powerful matchup into LeBlanc.
jDVL20eCYs2 votesno you have wrong. its like you want us to agree 2+2=6 you have wrong according to the laws of logic
Dedrius4 votesNo when I saw 15 matchups that crush LB, I was thinking of matchups that aren't very reliant on skill, like Diana to Katarina (Diana's kit crushed Kat's kit) I was not thinking about oh well if these two players are the same skill level, LB might lose.
I am just showing she doesn't have many matchups that can shut her down and that she has no clear strengths or weaknesses.
jDVL20eCYs2 votesmorg, daina, cho shut her completely down in 1 vs 1. fizz, zed, ahri and syndra can out play her hard
Dedrius2 votesfizz, zed, ahri, and syndra can also get outplayed hard
jDVL20eCYs2 votesyes like i said she could not?
ArkenStorm1 votesfor xerath: yes, but the operational thing there is "land the stun" which you cant really do at long range for a stun worth anything, and at short range you are already dead. it doesn't work
Vistha Kai2 votesAs I mentioned before. If LB wants to deal damage she is going to W in your face, in which case using things like Charms, Shocking Orbs and Scatter the Weak is easy as pie - if you mechanically aren't a potato.
If that fails he can still push her to the tower from a safe distance. She will lose crap ton of mana and CS that way.
ArkenStorm3 voteslike I just said, shocking orb is practically worthless at short range because of how immobile xerath is. Don't get me wrong, I can still beat LB as xerath, i'm just pointing out that its hard to land your stun then dump on her. if you do land it at long range(where its worth something) its easy. which I CAN do, its just not as easy as you make it sound. I know, coutnerplay windows and such, but pushing to tower never fails me.
Vistha Kai2 votesEven short range stun should let you throw QW on LB, which in turn should be enough for a trade considering LB has no sustain.
ArkenStorm2 voteswell yes, but you're not getting any kills that way unless you are stupidly fed or your opponent is stupid.
Vistha Kai3 votesForcing somebody to recall or making them passive is also a win.
ArkenStorm1 votesnot if you're in silver and they just get fed elsewhere. waiiiiit that's my division. :P
Vistha Kai1 votesSucks to be you, then. :P
not if you're in silver and they just get fed elsewhere. waiiiiit that's my division. :P
Sucks to be you, then. :P
Malix Farwin6 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EG0NirIo,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-19T18:46:20.722+0000)
you have never played LB and think Xerath can beat her!? Are you high?
Godhri3 votesYou are right in that Xerath cannot beat an outright duel against her BUT if he pokes from afar, he can easily kill her assuming he is skillful enough to land skill shots.
jDVL20eCYs2 votescho. diana, fizz, irelia wreck lb in one vs one. katarin, lissandra. zed, ahri,syndra, vlad is skill matchups that they can win. And morgana just completely shut downs lb kill pressure in lane and team fights and some what rend her useless