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My team wanted to report me for picking ezreal in a D1 game

Ahristocats··36 votes·2,675 views

"picking intentially the worst champion in the game in ranked" quoting my singed

and i agree with him on the fact that ezreal is one of the worst champion atm , i just had no choises but pick him as i can only play morde jhin and ezreal in the adc role, jhin would have been a lost game against mf+leona

ezreal is so bad for multiple reasons

-first he's not a hypercarry half of his scaling is magic damage , yet has the trashest early game of all adcs he's prone to be snowballed because tear is core on him making him wasting 720 gold on a no-combat stat and that will make him lose bot hard -second, even his midgame is not good enough to make him viable, dude deals no damage unless he has full stacked tear+triforce+LW or Bork which is beyond hilarious for a midgame champion -third, his W is the worst spell in this game, actually the worst spell in this game i swear design wise

i actually as an old ezreal player never understood it since Q buff i tried to max W first and it's amazing, the base damage is really great from early to mid game however if you max it you quickly end up stucked on a question: how to use this damn spell? should i use it to burst people with the high base damage, but the spell also gives bonus as taking a large power budget, so should i use it on allies? or on myself

so now Meddler, my friend Meddler said that ezreal W will be reworked but not before world because they don't want surprise bullshit to plague the world like udyr rework to not repeat season 5 mistake

but please, can you just make ezreal playable until then? just make his win rate rising from 43% to 48% at least

Q cd: why didn't you make it 4.5 sec at all rank? you cancelled the buff and made it 5.5-4.5 sec instead

base AD: ezreal is a sheen user, but has a very garbage base ad of 56-96, making it 58-100 instead would be a nice buff to increase his win rate slightly

i hope that you will make ezreal a pick that doesn't make you allies wanting to report you in d1 thank you

73 Comments

Penns16 votes

nah m8 ezreal is "bad" for one reason: crit builds are opieop hehe even kog has like 60% win rate with ie and 58% with zeal items that arent hurricane lel

Ahristocats1 votes

so what are you going to do? nerf crit to buff ez?

Penns5 votes

ye would be nice if champs like tristana didnt reach late game with item 3087 item 3031 xd

Ahristocats4 votes

i don't think crit is an issue, never had an issue with adcs except special cases that should be nerfed directly rather than with items

ezreal being weak is an ezreal's problem, not a crit problem

Penns2 votes

ez is like never weak tho, his pick rate never dropped lower than ~20% except that one time when he was perma banned and now.

i mean look at top adcs, all of them build crit. mf goes crit late, varus goes full crit after bork maybe, IE first has highest win rate on jhin by far,..

Ahristocats1 votes

hm no? lucian doesn't go full crit either and does fine jhin and mf also do not go full crit

just because they build one crit item doesn't mean it's op

Penns3 votes

all of them go crit after 1 or 2 items. u dont see anyone going 3 lethality items + black cleaver and LDR or blue ez or something because crit is busted hehe

Barcid4 votes

Warlord's bloodlust being a key early game mastery that significantly helps sustain and spikes with crit could have a lot to do with his weak laning, actually.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

"lategame hypercarries" who reach "lategame" after basically two items are definitely an issue.

LoliKnight1 votes

I beg to differ. Crit itemization has improved considerably over the last season, with item 3031 and item 3508 getting buffs to damage and item 3031 cost being lowered. item 3072 got more AD and as it is , ER gives other crit ADC's too much utility value for building one goddamn item. When the item 3508 changes first came through in S5 , the item was intended to cater to Crit Ezreal play style, as blue was all the rage back then. Some rioter even commented on how they intended to cater to Ezreal building crit with the item 3508 giving mana and CDR . Now other crit ADCs can get this item and invest in one Zeal item and have potentially infinite mana, and a very respectable 30 % CDR while getting to keep item 3006 or any other boot options. Because of his build path, Ezreal is flat out locked into getting lucidity boots, an item which is so useless unless fully stacked that it offsets its cheap cost, and the most expensive item in the game atm. IBG is seldom made on him because of the nerfs to zone size and base damage % on spellblade

Second of all Crit masteries have been buffed as well. The changes to fervor of battle and Warlords bloodlust now benefitting crit adcs all the more with natural synergy to their kit regardless of the keystone they choose to select further reinforces their superiority. Ezreal can never get full value out of fervor or bloodlust as compared to crit adcs because he doesnt goddamn crit.

Furthermore, Ezreal's two item powerspike of tri mana is currently outshined by far by the IE shiv powerspike of other ADCs, or the Two lethality item spike of Jhin MF or so. He has the lowest winrate in the time frame he's supposed to be the strongest of any adc, from min 20- min 35 or so.

Third , the problem doesnt just stop with crit ADCs. Almost every crit ADC has an innate synergy with crit that far boosts the effectiveness of any crit items they acquire , which is more than the feeble attack speed passive Ezreal has, or the fact that Q applies on hit effects. Look at Jinx with her 725 range 110% AD crit rockets. I swear if that W crit change was pushed to live,I would have legit quit and gone to play camper strike or OPverwatch . Look at Tristana and her massive range and steroid. Look at Twitch with his ult critting all targets. Look at Jhin with his damage and movespeed and 4th hit. Caitlyn with headshot damage. Ashe with overall damage. Xayah with that E. Even ADs which build lethality or unique build paths like Lucian or MF have a better synergy with crit than Ezreal. Lucian has his double hit, while 2 out of MF's 3 damage dealing spells can crit, and her passive love tap's bonus damage can also crit.

Fourth, why pick Ezreal adc when you can pick Corki midlane and experience 8 x the benefits of Ezreal. 1) Solid Poke 2) Better Tri PowerSpike 3) Still can send another ADC bot while remaining a relevant magic damage threat 4) Actually has waveclear that isnt tied to a base 120 sec CD spell 5) Actually benefits from magic pen and magic damage scaling 6) CAN CRIT 7) Deals with tanks better than Ez coz his damage isnt affected by Armor 8) Still a relatively safe pick

It's a crit/leth ADC's world atm

Salson2 votes

The power of crit items is fine, the price decrease on IE from 3600 to 3400 was unnecessary.

The Zeal items are also too cheap, so people stack them.

HaIlMonitor2 votes

His kit just need reworked. He either needs to be more like Jihn, where his kits doesnt give him a bunch of attack speed, but is made for Q damage, or make Q weaker and make him more like MF where he only uses Q in early game, then just become a crit beast.

NodirjonSattarov3 votes

lmao where the fuck does kogmaw have a 60% wr with ie?

Penns2 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/ac7bd08b86c7923d414f5ac0eb470ed7.png hehe

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

that just says winning items - there's nothing else to see there

DrCyanide1 votes

https://na.op.gg/champion/kogmaw/statistics/adc

Win rate with IE: 59.77%

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

IT HAS A 1.5% PICK RATE WHAT A JOKE. Listen just because something has a high winrate doesn't mean its OP. You have to see how often its taken. 1.5% is nothing. That's 3 games out of 200. Look at Rageblade at a 15% pick rate with a 60% win rate. That is the sort of statistics you're supposed to be looking at. Kog'Maw has no scaling with crit or AD (besides his ult) so buying IE doesn't help his kit. If Triforce built from zeal like it used to, then yes IE would be optimal. Kog'Maw needs to get to midgame and IE doesn't do that.

DrCyanide1 votes

Their pick rate stats don't make much sense, I'm just showing where the data comes from item 3153 >item 3085 >item 3124 is picked 40.09% of the time with 4k games, but item 3153 is only built 15% of the time at 18k games. How can the combo be picked 40% of the time when the item isn't even picked up in 40% of games?

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

its split up into 2 pools of data. the combo data and individual item data.

DrCyanide1 votes

Individual item data makes sense, but what about the combo? Does it mean in games where people get item 3153 and item 3085 and item 3124 it's in that order 40% of the time, and the other 60% it's in a different order?

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

probably, i'm not sure how their algorithm works in collecting the data but perhaps 40% of the time they go that order and like .5% of the time they go bork, shiv, runaans or bork, PD, IE etc. it could be a number of things idk.

Vallalan1 votes

crit builds aren't op. they just don't fucking suck.

When crit is bad champs like Vayne and Ezreal become meta.

Like if Ezreal is ever meta its only because they have gutted ADC itemization.

Ezreal is a clusterfuck of a mess. He is fun to play, has so much going for him, but the W is so fucking bad. its not 100% useless but it might as well be.

He does so little of damage to due to his low base ad, and shit attack speed base as well because of his passive.

I say buff his base attack speed so he's not shit dps without stacking it, and up the base ad as well so his sheen procs hit harder as well. OP suggested the base ad buff and I like that.

Taric the Gay8 votes

I can get behind Ezreal being the best champion in the game. It is not an opinion it is a fact.

http://www.auplod.com/u/pdolua802d6.png

Danjeng12 votes

I can get behind Ezreal

Tails90162 votes

This is the joke, why is TtG being downvoted

Gelmous6 votes

because jokes are suppose to be funny

JaxMoonStealer1 votes

Please don't tell me you'll putting your signature on every post like Almighty.

Taric the Gay3 votes

{quoted}

Please don't tell me you'll putting your signature on every post like Almighty.

I feel like you don't know what a signature is used for.

http://www.auplod.com/u/pdolua802d6.png

The Deckowner5 votes

The problem with Ezreal is he doesn't scale with crit or attackspeed, and Rito give 0 fuck about non crit adcs.

Tails90162 votes

Is there a non-crit adc, other than ez and morde? I mean you can go Jayce adc if that's your thing...

DarkKumane4 votes

when you forget kalista exists LUL

The Deckowner3 votes

kalista kogmaw are onhit adc.

HateDaddy3 votes

In my estimation, Ez is really only good in one meta: an ad assassin meta. His mobility and core items are a natural "fuck you" to ad assassins and even AD bruisers. Anything short of that, and he just falls flat on his face. He has no natural way to kill tanks, making him the worst carry at it. For all his marvel and ability to outplay things, the reward is basically "I arcane shifted to dodge a skillshot and I didn't die but I didn't kill you either because if I get inside of my AA range while E is down, I'm fucking dead."

His gameplay revolves too much around safety with his long range Q and E, so much so that he sacrifices significant power for it. The running joke used to be that Ez will get a sheen item nerfed every season, because his play style is so bitch mode now because it has to be. Ezreal has been balanced around his Q and while you're supposed to weave in auto-attacks between Qs, why would you? He gets not benefit to auto attacking you outside of muramana. Look at gangplank, who has a similar function. Gangplank doesn't really auto attack much, but when he does, he gets rewarded for it with his passive (assuming he popped barrels). Ezreal needs something similar because most of his damage is poke and ends up being really insignificant damage, even when he does the most damage.

I'll reference this game:

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2562135506/49005834?tab=overview

Now this was on my smurf in a mid-high gold MMR game. This was a pretty difficult game because lux/xin/thresh just kept getting caught so we often had unbalanced fights to fend off barons or inhib towers that I'd die in but I'd take someone down to stall a push or objective. Look at that ezreal as score and damage. Did the most damage by far, had the best score. Didn't matter. I didn't even bother building armor because all he could do was Q poke, if he ever got close enough to AA me even with QSS, I'd straight up blow him up. He has no reliable way to safely unload actual sustained DPS, just Qs from safe distance that will add up and do a lot of damage, but very insignificant damage because he can't reliably attack targets of his choosing the way other ADCs can.

He needs an incentive to actually auto attack and he needs a steroid that at least allows him to put a meaningful dent in tanks. His kit can still have his E/Q be his bread and butter but he needs retooling in such a way that takes some power away from this to actually allow him to be good in other areas. Let his W give him increased range or something and a passive 3-hit on hit %hp damage. It's generic but let's be honest, most ADCs are bland and generic anyway.

Ahristocats5 votes

ezreal doesn't need to kill tanks hell lucian is bad at killing tanks, by bad i mean that he has no steroid dedicated to kill them (%hp damage, %armor shred, true damage) sure he can buy them but he doesn't have them in his kit

the problem is that ezreal like i said has HALF OF HIS KIT scaling into magical damage, i hate that shit, this is what makes him bad at killing tanks

his W is going to be reworked, so i let this job to meddler

Armored Yokai3 votes

Ezreal is a better mage than he is ADC

koshkyra1 votes

i agree on ezreal buffs, but lets only buff his AD form

AP ezreal is honestly one of the most op things in this game

0.4 scaling on Q (0.9 with lichbane tho) 0.8 on W 0.75 i think on E 0.9 on ult

better burst than any assassin

Best princess EU3 votes

Riot won't buff ap ezreal they forgot that playstyle a long time ago last time it was good they removed the item that allowed ap ez to be relevant (runeglaive)

iDemacia2 votes

He was still useable after runeglaive that was actually when I played ap ez mid the most was after it got removed (didn't know what I was doing with him when it was op). The change that really hurt him imo were the ap item changes that pretty much killed off perma mana regen if you don't go tear

Giggling Granny1 votes

ez dosent need buffs

he just dosent fit in this meta....

stop asking for buffs...do you see that this is the lethality crit meta..where does ez fit in this meta? nowhere does he need buffs? NO because the meta would shift riot already planning nerfs on lethality and duskblade

So guess what if you buff ez and the meta shift what do we have? an OP ez where does this lead? to nerfing EZ

Gj you just played your self..

Ahristocats3 votes

there is no way a 43% win rate champion is just "not meta" stop trying to make yourself looking smart

ezreal is garbage and that partially because of his W, which is why meddler is going to buff him after world by reworking it

Giggling Granny2 votes

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Ahristocats1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Giggling Granny,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEwIFfyg,comment-id=001000000000,timestamp=2017-08-02T10:39:49.747+0000)

there no way sejuani would ever be OP RIOT BUFF HER NOW

being op is different than being garbage sejuani was indeed weak because tank junglers were all weak back then due to lee/reksai/vi/j4, cinderhulk buffed her because it was a good item on her

moral of the story? she still got buffed

if you want to buff ez, you can create an item that he can abuse, OR YOU KNOW, buff him directly because having 43% win rate does not mean you're fine

[{quoted}](name=Giggling Granny,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEwIFfyg,comment-id=001000000000,timestamp=2017-08-02T10:39:49.747+0000)

So dont ever try to back talk to me you are too young

i'm playing this game since the time before you were born, LMFAO if anything,you're the one who should not back talk to me, so just sit back and shut the fuck up

Giggling Granny1 votes

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Ahristocats3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Giggling Granny,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEwIFfyg,comment-id=00100000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-02T10:54:44.223+0000)

first i am higher elo than you!

Sure thing bud, just come on your main then? but idc anyway mods will ban me for elo shaming

[{quoted}](name=Giggling Granny,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEwIFfyg,comment-id=00100000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-02T10:54:44.223+0000)

second i play the game before you even knew what league was...i was playing from E.U to N.A server when the whole game was having less than 100k players...and i was on N.A from the god damn E.U with only 60 ping...trust me son you are a just a new age kiddo...

come on your main bro, and i will take a look until then you just have the right to shut up

[{quoted}](name=Giggling Granny,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEwIFfyg,comment-id=00100000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-02T10:54:44.223+0000)

Now about the balance stuff

Sejuani was at 43% win ratio as EZ then the meta shift to tank junglers and on TOP of that riot buff her too and she become BROKEN...

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/sejuani/platinum her win rate was never under 47%

like i said you just have the right to shut up

Giggling Granny1 votes

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I Ban Freelo 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Giggling Granny,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEwIFfyg,comment-id=0010000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-02T11:25:43.422+0000)

Sure i would post my main so then you can go cry on the mods and make a ticket "oh riot this hurt my feelings pls ban"

Gtfo kiddo...

And look how dumb you are you send me a graph that has a graph that says the 47% and the LINES ARE GOWN LOWER THAN 47...damn son you failled in your posts but screw that you failed in life and maths too..

Now stop humiliating your self...do some work before you post learn some things ask around then come back here to talk to me

till then you just humiliate your self...so stay low elo stay new age kiddo and stay dumb!

That why i can humiliate you with this account and give 0 fucks about your reports! Because that what you new age kids are cry babies "Oh he hurt my feelings riot ban him pls"

when we were posting on the old forums we were talking with MEN that didnt cry so everyone was on their main account

Here when the boards become a reddit V2 with just more cry babies we cover our selves..

https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Giggling+Granny+

https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=i+am+Rubick+Sama+

lol

Giggling Granny1 votes

actually this is not me my main is on E.UNE after my transition from N.A in 2013 because the ping skyrocket to 200

But how the fucl riot allow me to have that name if someone else have it

Nik Nikerson1 votes

But to be clear, you're claiming that you're ranked ABOVE Diamond 2 on your main?

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