Before you call a champ "OP", ask yourself these 10 simple questions.

SwiftKitten88··3 votes·322 views

With "Worlds" going on right now there are quite a few champ getting a lot of hate that are not really needed.

And while i am surprised at the number of people on the forums actually willing to defend some of these champs. i feel that the people who do call them OP need to at least look up a few things to see if there isn't a really simple balance reason as to why they can do what they do.

so first things first

  1. Why do u think the champ is op? did the champ just 1v5? did they solo carry the game? did they solo baron? are they freaking impossible to face in lane? ask your self why do think said champ is "OP"

  2. Was the champ fed? this seems obvious... but if they champ had a 3k gold lead on you... chances are... they are going to beat you... there really isn't anything strange about that..

  3. What is the champ designed to do? if you an ADC and you are all alone in the open.. and a Khazix comes and 1v1s you.. is he OP? if you are getting sieged and the enemy Ziggs melts your tower in 3 seconds.. is he OP? if you are at baron and your all low.. and the enemy Katarina comes in and gets a penta kill. is she OP? ALL of those champs are doing EXACTLY what they are meant to do.

  4. does that champ just plain counter what you are playing? if you are going to pickNasus into Darius , don't complain he is OP. this may not be the most extreme hardcounter example but it is certainly the most well known learn who counters you, try to avoid picking your champ into them.

  5. how good is the other player compared to you? if you are silver.. and your opponent is diamond, don't expect to go even with them this generally wont happen in ranked games, but it quite a common occurrence in unranked you can easily look this up

  6. how good is that player at their champ? i dont want to scream "1 trick". but if you get destroyed by a player who is the same elo as you. are they on thier main? i mean if you are trying out a new champ and they are on thier lvl 7 200k mastery main.. it's not really even.. again you can easily look this up

  7. did it happen to YOU? most of the time this really isn't an issue for these boards, but right now during worlds.. i think it is.. just because the best players on the world can do something with a certain champ.. doesn't mean anyone you are ever going to face can. i mean it should go without saying that the worlds best player.. can do things with champs no one else can.

  8. Are you ignoring ignore statistics you don't like? if you are bronze 4 or 5, and you are screaming "MasterYi " is OP. well is IS very good in that elo.. but higher up he isn't OP likewise... a champ may be CRAZY OP in higher elos. but if they are worthless at lower elos they may not be "OP" in general. the biggest mistake i see people make is they only look at sites that only look at plat+ champ data to form their opinion. there is a really good book called "how to lie with statistics".

  9. do you know how to face that champ? again back to the basics, do u know how the enemy champ works? most champs have a LOT of counterplay if you know where to look for it. and some of it may not always be available in a 1v1 lane. for example one of the best ways to stop certain champs is to prevent them from doing somthing. for example Nasus , if you let him farm 300 stacks in 15 min. you created the issue. dont feed the MasterYi.. you need to recognize what a champ can and cant do. Xerath is pretty much ALWAYS going to outrange you in lane, and if you arn't on a champ that can easily deal with that, how can u stop him. introducing: junglers champs that are really good at one thing are usually very weak at others... Xerath is pretty much immobile, and can be ganked VERY easily.

  10. have you even tried that champ? obviously the first time you play up a champ you are not going to be able to pull off moves like faker. but even playing that champ for one or two game can give you a LOT more respect for a champ. even with ONE game, even in bots!! you can easily find certain issue that the players who play that champ face you may never even have considered. a lot of the time this can be something as simple as "wow this champ eats up a LOT of mana really fast", or "wow that skill has a really high cooldown if i can bait it out i can win a trade vs them". or other simple things such as holy SH*T! how they freaking hell can u clear the jungle with this champ without getting executed? i thought they were easy mode?

This list by no means will prove a champ OP or not OP, but it consists of basic thing you shoold do before calling a champ "OP"

6 Comments

Angry Monster1 votes

I have a problem with 3 and 4 on your list.

number 3, Just cause the champ is supposed to do something does not mean it is healthy over all. Sure X champ was designed to 1v5 no matter what. Is this truly how this champ should operate and or built this way. There are times when designers give to much or fail to understand what a kit really does.

number 4, the counter argument is a weird one cause the counter is supposed to stop at some point. You may be countered for the first 6 levels, but then after you get one item things are supposed to change a bit. If your champ existence is countered at every step of the way by another, it is a legit gripe with something.

Now i just want to

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=Angry Monster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEaBqhKO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-14T21:10:39.015+0000)

I have a problem with 3 and 4 on your list.

number 3, Just cause the champ is supposed to do something does not mean it is healthy over all. Sure X champ was designed to 1v5 no matter what. Is this truly how this champ should operate and or built this way. There are times when designers give to much or fail to understand what a kit really does.

number 4, the counter argument is a weird one cause the counter is supposed to stop at some point. You may be countered for the first 6 levels, but then after you get one item things are supposed to change a bit. If your champ existence is countered at every step of the way by another, it is a legit gripe with something.

Now i just want to

number 3 is more of a broad statement, kha for example works on 1v1ing by isolation mechanics from his passive.. ziggs passive and his W are for taking turrets, and Kat's passive is for resets. obviously not every champ is as clear cut.. but when someone say "why is X champ allowed to do Y" a lot of the time is.. its because they are supposed to do that. im not saying that should make them able to overcome a 4k gold deficient to do that, but for the most recent post when somone asked why can Syndra 100/0 a Varus after using her q twice her W and her E and a 6 ball ulti. as a burst mage.. i was kinda like.. yeah so what your point? she is supposed to do that?

for number 4 umm idk what champs you play... but that really isn't that case of almost any of my champs

i mean even if i only use my main Nidalee as an example.. there is ZERO point in the game when i can EVER

1v1 DrMundo Darius MalphiteGaren Skarner Udyr Volibear Olaf Nocturne Illaoi Riven if they are at full hp

nidalee can't kill tanks.. end of story.... even if i have a 3k gold lead on you unless you are complete idoit.. you still going to win if you pick one of those champs.

i mean i might gank a top laner who is low and 2v1 them, but even so.

even attempting to go near one of these champs as nidalee is a pretty much guaranteed death sentence.

which is why i find the whole nid is OP thing so crazy. i mean seriously.. pick one of those champs... walk into her jungle... and she has to run and ask for help or you can kill her... its literally that freaking easy to counter jungle her...

Angry Monster1 votes

i was talking completely as game play philosophy. I am a jungle main so nothing counters me directly.

But if a single champ did invalidate another champ at all points it would be a legit problem. IT should even at or swing completely in to the other side favor at some point.

You are making blanket rules/statements, i am showing where flaws in these statements exist.

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=Angry Monster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEaBqhKO,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-14T21:49:22.751+0000) But if a single champ did invalidate another champ at all points it would be a legit problem. IT should even at or swing completely in to the other side favor at some point.

umm.. i just listed my main.. Nidalee and not only one.. but let me count... ELEVEN champs.. that with equal skill, nidalee can NEVER 1v1 fight from full hp, under ANY circumstance with even gold at ANY point in the game.

so.. not sure what to make of your statement..

Erockandroll1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Angry Monster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEaBqhKO,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-14T21:49:22.751+0000)

i was talking completely as game play philosophy. I am a jungle main so nothing counters me directly.

But if a single champ did invalidate another champ at all points it would be a legit problem. IT should even at or swing completely in to the other side favor at some point.

You are making blanket rules/statements, i am showing where flaws in these statements exist.

The only way that would happen is if you are unable to get even, or stay even. If you get snowballed, "Some point" will never come, because your nexus would be destroyed by that point. (in the event that your playing a hypercarry) or if you were the lane bully, and you can't get said advantage, "Some point" has passed. And all of that will vary depending of the skill of the players, and the out side influence of their teams.

The other thing I see with Counter picking is, I find it kinda of elusive. Riot doesn't do hard counters, and even once claimed they were shooting for a 60:40 ratio in a countered ratio. And since countering is on a smaller margin, it could be difficult to understand why champ X counters champ Y.

Amasa Delano1 votes

I always just ask: was this thread created by him/her?

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