Why doesn't Garen have more Anti-Mage components in his kit?

Arcyyy·Jun 20, 2017·4 votes·562 views

His lore specifies that he HATES magic and mages, yet he has... a silence. Here's my 2 cents.

W - Reworked

Passive no longer gives Armor, but gives up to double the MR.

Active is now an AoE magic shield for his team (Like a magic locket).

R - Buff

Damage no longer scales with enemies missing health, but scales with their AP (A la old veigar).

This makes him less of the "Poor Mans Darius" and gives him more of a niche, that niche being "Juggernaut Mage Eraser".

11 Comments

RalanrJun 20, 20173 votes

Honestly getting more power based on what the enemy is building seems like an unfair and unfun mechanic. At least Zed has to kill his target to get AD.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJun 20, 20171 votes

its how old viegar worked he did more damage based on enemies AP

RalanrJun 20, 20172 votes

Thankfully that's old Veigar.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJun 20, 20172 votes

right cuz being able to infinitely scale ap just for csing and hitting any ability on a champ is better

RalanrJun 20, 20172 votes

Better than being punished for building the way I'm supposed to build, yes.

At least now you know to end the game as quickly as possible (or rather, your team does). If he scales off of your AP, well picking a mage is basically saying "I don't get to play".

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJun 20, 20171 votes

well that is why you picked ad assassin into him

like Talon

RalanrJun 20, 20171 votes

But that also means you can't pick an AP top or jungler (or heavens forbid, a support) because his damage will scale off of how well they're doing.

That's unhealthy.

Edit: and it sucks for Veigar because the only time you're allowed to play him to his best is when the enemy has AP on their team.

Möral SupportJun 20, 20171 votes

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right cuz being able to infinitely scale ap just for csing and hitting any ability on a champ is better

Shut him down early he wont have time to scale.

HítlerDidNtWrongJun 27, 20172 votes

The Silence matches his hatred of mages, it isn't a magical effect. His silence is clearly denoting the amount of force put into the swing is causing shock and awe that shuts his opponents up for a brief moment. The concept of silence is that the mage cannot utter the incantation to use magical spells. Which means a silence is something that interrupts or negates the ability to speak. Why do you think Sona has a stringed instrument? There's also iterations of magic that explain mana as the hydration or water inside the body being used as a resource to power magic which is why many mana potions look like drinks of water. Do not assume silence = magic. Garen seriously does need to be buffed, currently he is just a gimp darius/cho'gath/renekton/riven and even his fucking sister has ULT CDR built into her kit which is just sad that they overlooked him so much and gave him a measly armor shred that is hard to apply reliably in teamfights. If a character has No Welfare Flash No Hard CC and No Ranged Gimmick then their kit needing a buff is completely justified and Garen fits the bill more than anyone. His W should infinitely stack imo so that he can become a threat like veigar and nasus. If infinitely stacking AD/AP is fair then there is nothing wrong with the opposite. Garen needs his silence duration Q MS and BASE MS back to pre nerf state because his kit was LITERALLY built around speed. He might be a juggernaut but there are tons of characters that break the mold of what their niche class denotes and why not let Garen have speed be the thing that sets him apart from all the others in that niche. He trains harder than most other champions so I don't see why the MS nerfed his brain into forgetting leg day. I refuse to spend a penny on this game with Garen in his current state but if he was buffed back into competence at high level play then I would BUY every single Garen skin to show my support. [zombie-brand-facepalm] Apparently the Devs don't want my money.