so when are these akali nerfs coming riot

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Void Baboon RF17 votes

never they have an akali player on their balance team

koshkyra5 votes

they probably have vayne and twitch mains on the balance team too

ShadowParker2 votes

Just like how they have every other champion..

Ugh.

Talk Dirty1 votes

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never they have an akali player on their balance team

XD man you are smart .... hight 5

Vapor Wave Vibes11 votes

Her sustain is pretty off since assassins as a class shouldn't have enough to make a difference yet she does.

Bonipherus10 votes

I hate that bitch. no skillshots. 3 targeted gapclosers. and insane healing. Why does an assassin get to out heal like 90% of the roster anyway? I thought assassins are supposed to go in, do damage, and get out? they should not be able to outlast top laners in duels. Oh and why tf does her shroud slow you and give her another dash and provide true invisibility when this is a basic ability? honestly her shroud should be her new ult when they rework her since other assassins have their invisibility tied to their ults too: kha'zix's only lasts for 1.5 seconds (up to 2 casts tho after a 2 sec cd) while rengar's lasts 12/16/20 but gives an indicator that he's coming. Make akali's ult shroud last 6/7/8 seconds per rank, increase the area the shroud covers by a bit, and refund some of the cooldown or duration of the shroud if she gets a kill while in it. The rest of her kit needs a complete overhaul too and it needs skillshots and mobility rather than spammable damage that heals her.

Jinx Hunter5 votes

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I hate that bitch. no skillshots. 3 targeted gapclosers. and insane healing. Why does an assassin get to out heal like 90% of the roster anyway? I thought assassins are supposed to go in, do damage, and get out? they should not be able to outlast top laners in duels. Oh and why tf does her shroud slow you and give her another dash and provide true invisibility when this is a basic ability? honestly her shroud should be her new ult when they rework her since other assassins have their invisibility tied to their ults too: kha'zix's only lasts for 1.5 seconds (up to 2 casts tho after a 2 sec cd) while rengar's lasts 12/16/20 but gives an indicator that he's coming. Make akali's ult shroud last 6/7/8 seconds per rank, increase the area the shroud covers by a bit, and refund some of the cooldown or duration of the shroud if she gets a kill while in it. The rest of her kit needs a complete overhaul too and it needs skillshots and mobility rather than spammable damage that heals her.

She is up for a for VGU for a reason. Riot stated she is high on the list a long awhile ago when they did the assassin update.

An Enemy Sutando2 votes

She's a design disaster from back when all champions had incredibly simple, DoTA-esque designs. She needs the Azir/Yorick/Poppy treatment where she's dumpstered to the point of being unplayable until her eventual rework.

Jinx Hunter1 votes

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She's a design disaster from back when all champions had incredibly simple, DoTA-esque designs. She needs the Azir/Yorick/Poppy treatment where she's dumpstered to the point of being unplayable until her eventual rework.

Agreed, but she isn't the only one. Fiora, Malz, Kalista (she is still viable because her passive is just that damn broken) Ezreal, J4, Kennen, and Kench all need to be dumpsted. All of them are oppressive champs that have fundamentally BS kits that will never be balanced. I would mention Yasuo Riven too, but that isn't ever going to happen because they are popular because they are cancer. I like both of them too, even if I am shit with both of them.

KnulleFitte1 votes

"Every champ i dont like needs to be dumpsted" YIKES

Jinx Hunter1 votes

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"Every champ i dont like needs to be dumpsted" YIKES

Incorrect, those champs are imbalanced. If I wanted champs I hatted dumpstered, just because I hate them it would be these ones: Zed Tryndamere Veigar Taliyah Rakan Janna Katarina Annie

Next time check yourself before you make half cocked assumptions.

Invidie7 votes

The intelligent of Riot's balancing team isn't high enough to realize Akali needs a nerf, so no. (Riot, i love you, don't ban me)

Ashe mage AD7 votes

By the time you reach plat you'll realize she's not that broken.

Mackenzie Davis15 votes

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By the time you reach plat you'll realize she's not that broken.

Thats why rank 1 and rank 2 in NA is an akali main?

Are11 votes

The only accounts in Challenger that have Akali as #1 played are TF Blade's account. Currently no one else has played Akali in challenger for over 10 games.

There's also a Karthus main in challenger, but this doesn't mean that Karthus is OP.

T4underbolt3 votes

Who is that hero playing karthus?can you tell the nickname.

Are2 votes

insanityxxx

Sorry for the late reply, I do not check boards every day.

T4underbolt1 votes

Its fine. Thanks for info. Karthus was my first bought champ basically so when someone has good strategy/build for him I check eventual gameplays of that player.

Ashe mage AD1 votes

So what? Viper was in the top 10 since forever and ever (last I checked he was top 6), why aren't all the other high elo let's say Riven players in top 10 then? Logic much?

Jinx Hunter1 votes

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By the time you reach plat you'll realize she's not that broken.

Professor Akali would like a word with you.

Hashihime2 votes

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Professor Akali would like a word with you.

Compared to TF he is garbage.

Talk Dirty1 votes

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By the time you reach plat you'll realize she's not that broken.

i am plat 3 and she is broken

Ashe mage AD1 votes

You're replying to an 8 months old thread, wth is wrong with you?

Serika Zero5 votes

never. Why? Because she's balanced.

Why she is balanced? Because she has strengths and weaknesses. And both of those are quite big.

I would suggest you learn how to play against Akali my dear friend. Instead of you waiting for the balance team to nerf everything you dislike so hard they do 1 damage and have 1 hp the entire game long.

plus, she is in line together with diana and a few more (ie, aatrox) for a pretty big rework.

Death by Glamour2 votes

plus, she is in line together with diana

i dont think you realise how big a thing this will be for both of them

Assasin or bruiser, which will they become as they will not remain a wonky hybrid of both classes

Serika Zero1 votes

i do, all reworks completely change a character. Current Akali and Diana will die. Then a new Akali and Diana will rise from the ashes, to be more of a balance nightmare than their previous selves ever could.

Which is why now i'm trying to main Eve mostly. As a new reworked character, she will not be changed to heavily in the next years. She might get nerfs and buffs over time, but won't get changed so hard that it changes the playstyle or becomes an entirely different hero.

I'm still of the opinion that current Akali is very balanced. The concept of "assassin go in, and then go out easily" is by default flawed from riot. If I, as an assassin can go, kill you, and then escape for no cost what so ever. I'm either overpowered and perma banned, or underpowered and quite weak. Which is why rengar, nocturne, akali, diana are quite shining examples of assassins. If I do assassinate a target that is not alone, escaping the situation should not come as easy as pressing a button and get teleported back 1000 units (yes, this sounds quite hypocritical since i'm spamming Eve, but Eve has to work to get to her targets due to lack of a proper gap closer). Because if assassins can be murdered as 'payment' or have a high chance of dying as a result for their assassination, then they are as they should be a 'high risk' - 'high reward' class.

Not....... low risk, high reward, or we can call that Zed, Leblank and Kassadin meta.

Dani El Pezglobo2 votes

IF she had skillshots, she will be balanced, but akali is just now brainless, ur chance on screw it on her is really low, since she doesnt have to much mechanics besides w dash.

Serika Zero2 votes

she's not. She has mechanics tho. Mechanics which allow you to auto attack faster (think riven animation canceling) in order to proc your Q faster (i can't do that because i'm bad), mechanics about what walls you can jump with her W and mechanics about how you go in and out of stealth.

Not all of us want to play riven or yasuo or azir or zed. Some of us enjoy some more mechanically simple champions such as Akali, others like Annie, others like Malzahar, etc. There's an insane amount of 'high mechanical skill' champion, not everyone has to be like that.

Your chance to screw up as akali then comes from other places. It comes from you miss judging how much damage you can take, it comes from you not dodging skill shots, it comes from you running out of energy, it comes from you being able to find a flanking position behind enemy wards, it comes from having good teleports on the bot lane, it comes from good map awareness, it comes from your ability to juke and 1v2 the enemy top and jungler when you get ganked and not die in that gank, it comes from your ability to engage with ult + zhonias and bait skill being thrown at you. etc Yes, you can fuck up with akali, there's a reason she's not 100% win rate.

She's a very snowbally offensive champion who powerspikes hard in the mid game. You can literally 1v2 the enemy support and adc (and kill them) when you finish your gunblade, around 10-12 minute as long as they are not under their tower. But after 2+ major items, you start to fall off. And if the enemy team fights more like a team, then, its difficult for you to do much. Also, if the enemy has a strong 1v1 champion (think jax), its also hard for you to do much post 25 minutes.

That's akali for you. Its not everything about muh mechanics. Otherwise we could delete all 100+ heros and we will all just play Azir.

The issue is, most of you don't know how to play against akali and you eat a lot of Q + aa in lane and die before she is level 6. And then she snowballs. Especially since you had no clue how to play against her when she had just a small blink, now she has 3 long dashes and a blink.

Letting akali q aa you is like letting the enemy adc aa you for free without you doing anything. Except it does higher damage. And no, q aa doesn't heal her before she gets gunblade or item 3144

Dani El Pezglobo2 votes

So in the end u just say im right. She have aa reset mechanics that u didnt use it and u are still sucefull with her. She have w mechanics thats all.

Saying to me that akali is hard due she have energy, to me its absurd, lmao what u are complaining its a basic mechancs almost every champ of the game has, also map awareness is something is common on every champ.

And after 2 items she start fall off, ok right, just like every assasin , early game powespike (lv 6) and from that other champs start to scale better than u.

Im not saying akali is super op, or she is trash but she isnt punished at all, u only need basic concept like warding, map awaraness and not believe u are superman to play akali, anything else matter, since everything on akali is click and point, thats the problem.

U dont need hit skillshots, u dont need good timing or good position, since u can w for 8 s, this is what everyone is complaining, if akali q were a skillshot, people wouldnt complain since she hit me with her q, its fair she kill me, but right now is like she click with her q , then she clickk me with her r, then she e and click me to aa me, then she w wait cd q, click her q , her aa and im bursted.

Serika Zero2 votes

I suggest you watch this video. No, its not about akali, its about why its important to have easy champions (not mechanically intensive) in the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4xmC5NV60w

I said "no" to the brain dead part. If its braindead, anyone could pick her up and get challanger in like a month. It took me like 20-30 games to get the hang of her. To learn how to play her in lane, how to trade, how to use her W. Sure, I didn't spend 100+ games like what riven needs to be ok-ish with her, i've spent like 20.

And no, i don't 'always' succeed without using the Q mechanics. I would need that to be able to fight riven players that know how to animation cancel, or smart darius players.

ps, the energy thing is: a mana champion with full mana bar will never run out of mana in an all in. Most of them can get away without running out of mana even if they start the fight at like 30-40% mana.

Meanwhile, its possible to run out of energy in a 1v1 duel or team fight as akali because energy is a thing. Energy = makes you stronger in lane. Energy = makes you weaker in longer duels or team fights :) and this, again, makes akali's weakness more obvious

Dani El Pezglobo2 votes

to be on challenger u need a good acknoledge of the game , something besides the champ u pick. And yes easy champ are good for the game, i love how garen or ashe allow new player to understand the game, the problem is when the ez champ is an assasin full click and point with 0 counterplay, sorry but no, any assasin should be ez.

She deserves being gutted to the ground till a rework (like ww) allow her to have skill cap. Till that time come, she need to be nerfed.

Edit: i main ahri, and ahri is not so hard like for example azir, so yes her being more 'ez' allow me to play less games to master her, but still she have mechanics (real mechanics, not map awareness) , like her e + f for example, so yes ez champs should be able to exist, but even ez champs like annie, can do mistakes, for example annie has a cclick and point cc, but still she have a really low range which allow u to punish her from a safe place. Annie can miss her r, and annie can be easily countered by vanshee, and of course she have 0 mobility, which is why she is allowed to have click and point spells. The problem comes with akali, ur only oportunity to punish her is pre-6, since once she hit the lv 6 , u dont have 'safe place', then u realice she have a passive that heals her, she is not forced to buy a doran , so she can just buy armor + 4 potions, and she is manaless, so in the end ur window of punish akali is broken, since she have 4 potion + pasive + runes, so its kinda hard u kill her unless u go hyper agressive which means u ll be ganked and u ll die. Thats the problem akali doesnt have ' counterplay' she has weakness but no counterplay, when im laning vs her, yes i can press her early game, maybe kill her 1 or 2 times, but then she suddenly hit the 6 and i cant do anything, since she is full click and point, she cannot fail anything, so no matter what once lv 6 comes, she is just stronger than me.

Serika Zero1 votes

she has counterplay tho....

Dani El Pezglobo2 votes

Yeah, counterplay, dodge her mouse. [sg-janna]

Serika Zero1 votes

or you could take her seriously and not lose against her all the time but i guess its more easy to make fun of akali and every time you lose, blame it on "no skill, brain dead champion"

Dani El Pezglobo1 votes

When did i say i lose against her all the time? I told u an in deep explanation of why i think akali is unfair, because akali isnt broken, is an unfair champ. If u want 2 know how i take akali seriusly read all the reason i told u on the previus messages. And pls, dont try to act like im 'making fun of' [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Serika Zero1 votes

"counterplay, dodge her mouse", that's making fun of

just because she doesn't have skill shots doesn't mean she has no counterplay again, not everything has to be zed, azir, riven or yasuo

Sexy Jack Rabbit4 votes

Probably as soon as they nerf Twitch lmao So like never?

DracosKasu4 votes

With a playrate of 2% and a winrate around 50% in plat+, she isnt a top priority if she was a 20% playrate maybe but that not the case.

Hashihime3 votes

There won't be Akali nerfs because she ain't broken. Yes I am an Akali main and unlike you I know strengths and weaknesses of my champ.

LegendmakerGX2 votes

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There won't be Akali nerfs because she ain't broken. Yes I am an Akali main and unlike you I know strengths and weaknesses of my champ.

All her skills are non skill shot and for you to say shes not broken is funny as fk Akali was one of the 3 toxic cancerous champion back from 1-4 season because of her mobility and damage. At least these generation of new player doesn't have to deal with her Q procing on E rather then a auto attack which at least gives us SMALL opening to react to.

Hashihime1 votes

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All her skills are non skill shot and for you to say shes not broken is funny as fk Akali was one of the 3 toxic cancerous champion back from 1-4 season because of her mobility and damage. At least these generation of new player doesn't have to deal with her Q procing on E rather then a auto attack which at least gives us SMALL opening to react to.

Toxic =/= broken my friend.

CppL1 votes

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There won't be Akali nerfs because she ain't broken. Yes I am an Akali main and unlike you I know strengths and weaknesses of my champ.

And what are her weaknesses after lvl 6? let me guess ,pink ward and hard cc?

Hashihime3 votes

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And what are her weaknesses after lvl 6? let me guess ,pink ward and hard cc?

No not really. There are about 4 things that you can do.

  1. Pick a Lanebully and call your jungle for an early gank. Set her behind early and she won't hit as hard once she is 6. Also if you are AD pick up an early hexdrinker.

  2. Pick a Tank and stall. Explains itself.

  3. Make her waste her Shroud. Unless she is overly fed you can fuck her up really good without her W.

  4. Don't make stupid mistakes. Akali lives off people who position like idiots and make tons of mistakes. Heck everytime I see someone walking up too close I punish the hell out of them.

Hard CC works vs. anything that isn't Irelia with Mercs., Pinks do not work vs. her W and that is good, because it is stationary. Shaco, Kha etc. can move while invisible, they can sneak up. Akali can't she has to either fully commit and nuke or she dies.

Dani El Pezglobo1 votes

Feels like u are saying, do a counterpick or u are screw it. Sorry but the way to counter a champ shouldnt be pick X or Y. For example a good way to counter akali is use ur stun behind u so when she jumps on u she gets cc. The problem comes when she have 3 dashes and 8 s invisibility.

Hashihime1 votes

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Feels like u are saying, do a counterpick or u are screw it. Sorry but the way to counter a champ shouldnt be pick X or Y. For example a good way to counter akali is use ur stun behind u so when she jumps on u she gets cc. The problem comes when she have 3 dashes and 8 s invisibility.

I am saying you can make your life easier by not blindpicking a certain champion. Counters exist for a reason, and you shouldn't cry if you get completely obliterated if you pick Aatrox in Akali. Also I am saying pick a certain role and build certain items to counter her.

Ahri Baka2 votes

Just like Twitch and vVayne , they will stick to their winrates and say they don't need nerfs

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

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Just like Twitch and vVayne , they will stick to their winrates and say they don't need nerfs

Vayne is getting nerfed next patch.

Rathar Dashing2 votes

Nothing on the PBE about that. Unless you consider all the resolve trees having their HP reduced by 65 a Vayne nerf.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

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Nothing on the PBE about that. Unless you consider all the resolve trees having their HP reduced by 65 a Vayne nerf.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/VNWUk6EE-quick-gameplay-thoughts-january-5

Keep forgetting we're not already on 8.1, mb. But she is getting nerfed in 8.2 as mentioned by meddler in his Quick thoughts.

Rathar Dashing1 votes

ah I see, thought that might have been what you meant.

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