Explain to me how blitz is balanced.

Better Jungler·Apr 5, 2015·7 votes·2,068 views

HOW?! 6 fucking series and i cant hit silver because my bot lane cant deal with a blitzcrank support. Never fails they are 100% auto carry.

and yes I am salty, Ive failed my series to hit silver from b1 because of a feeding bot lane.

q skillshot, easy to hit, pulls in full range, (unlike naut/thresh) then a knock up like ali's, Into a massive aoe silence with shit tons of damage. then, if you survive that, he has one of the best movement speed buffs in the game to catch up to you. Oh and an extremely short cd on all his abilities including ult.

Look. Im salty and mad, I know this is a bitchy post. but please give some advice on how to deal with this champ. I usually main jg. and even me camping bot lane they still get the adc and nuke them before we can even react.

34 Comments

Nucleophilic atkApr 5, 20157 votes

If bronze, it's best just to ban the Blitz.

Better JunglerApr 5, 20151 votes

i do every time.. Im not always banning tho. lol

CsfuserApr 5, 20151 votes

Pick Ezreal

Neo CyrusApr 5, 20155 votes

That's nonsense, Blitz has always been in the top win rates because all he needs is a single grab to win a game. It's not like you can get out, it's endless chain CC that actually does a lot of damage. A long pull into a knockup, into an AoE silence. Give me a fucking break. Rito was on crack when they thought that was a good idea. From Season 2 to now at Plat+ he's often sat at 55% win rates where it matters: NA, EU, and KR (when they got servers obviously).

He's still at 55% in NA/EU/KR Plat+ right now... with a 25% play rate this patch.

Nucleophilic atkApr 6, 20151 votes

There are many ways to deal with the champ. I'm just saying if in bronze, it is best to ban him since his bot lane probably won't know how.

Left Hook LarryApr 6, 20152 votes

Lol win rate doesn't prove much. Zed has a low win rate yet he's one of the strongest champs in the game.

masterdragon481Apr 6, 20152 votes

Win-rates are indicators, but they aren't the be all end all.

Zed has strong windows in which he can do well. He has LOTS of tools to help him impact these windows. Once certain items are acquired, however, he falls off pretty hard. Zed also doesn't have a low win rate; it seems to be right about average.

Blitz, on the other hand, doesn't fall off. The risk he imposes on the enemy team is ever-present and has no risk to himself.

I would argue that Zed's win rate is acceptable while blitz's isn't.

Left Hook LarryApr 7, 20151 votes

Nid has 48% win rate. Does that mean she's balanced? Only people who complain about Blitz are bronze and silver players. His kit revolves around picking people off. Plus it's much harder to pull a carry than it looks. If your team is playing properly the tanks should be in front of the carries. This means that if Blitz attempts to pull he will pull in a tank, which would pretty much lose his team the fight.

Also Amumu, Malzahar, and Heima all have higher win rates than Blitz right now. Does that mean they also are a problem?

masterdragon481Apr 11, 20151 votes

What an indicator means is that it signals that there could or could not be a problem, win rate and champion balance is correlated, but not with perfect correlation. There are a number of factors that influence a win rate of a champion, and this is why win rate cannot be any more than an indicator. Win rates are affected by number of people playing the champion, which win rate you are talking about (normals, ranked, what division of ranked, etc), and the difficulty of the champion. Then there are things like disconnects and trolls that may skew the win rate even further. This is why win rate isn't the only indicator.

A champion with a high win rate should be looked at to see what is causing that high win rate. A high win rate should be an "eyebrow raiser," meaning that the champion needs to be scrutinized. Also, I feel the need to point out that within approximately 2% on either side of 50% is considered nearly perfectly balanced; anywhere from 48% win rate to a 52% is considered to be operating in a balanced state.

I answered your Blitz comments here in your other post, and don't feel like repeating myself, so ill ignore that portion of your reply.

I think Nidalee IS fairly well balanced at the moment. There are team comps and strategies her kit works well with, and there are some large shortcomings that can mess her up as well. I'm happy with the direction Riot went with Nidalee and have no problems with her anymore.........(okay the spear spam still hurts and is annoying, but is far from the same class of toxic it used to be).

Based on win rates, I cannot say whether Amumu, Malzahar, and Heima are also problems. Looking at their kits and how they function in game, however, I could say something about each one. But my point here is that my opinion about the balance of the champions isn't based solely on win rate. But yes, I think that each of those kits is a little imbalanced; but for different reasons.

Left Hook LarryApr 11, 20151 votes

I don't think you've used Nidale at all. She can pretty much spam her heal the entire time in the jungle with blue buff and can spam spears all day. The whole argument with Blitz is that he doesn't get punished for missing pulls, but how does Nidale get punished for missing spears? She doesn't. I have no idea how you can be fine with Nidale, but not with Blitz.

AND did you not reply to me earlier below saying the following: "Any way you cut it there, the bottom line is that Blitz's pull doesn't penalize him for a miss and causes immense damage to the enemy team when it connects. It's the EXACT same principle as Nidalee throwing spears till she hits home. It's incredibly low risk high reward gameplay."

You're confused

masterdragon481Apr 5, 20154 votes

I can't explain to you why Blitz is fair, and they are experimenting with Blitz nerfs on the PBE (his speed boost is going to be a shorter, more powerful duration, but he is going to slow himself after it ends for a period of time).

The biggest problem with blitz is that he has no risk to balance the reward he can bring to a team. He is capable of absorbing a large amount of damage, and his ability displace an opponent and no risk to himself is what makes him unbalanced in my opinion.

Left Hook LarryApr 7, 20151 votes

What do you mean no risk? If he pulls the wrong person he will lose his team the fight. Thresh does almost everything Blitz does better

masterdragon481Apr 11, 20151 votes

First of all, pulling the wrong person is not risk vs reward; that is a tactical mistake. In the same way that focusing a tank, or using CC on a Black Shielded target is poor decision making, so too is pulling the tank as Blitz. I say he has no risk because in the event he misses his pull, nothing bad happens to him. But if he pulls a good target, instant 4v5. A team with a Blitzcrank is never out because of this nature of Blitz, which is very low risk high reward.

Also, even if he DOES pull a tank, that isn't necessarily a loss for his team. Pulling a tank over a wall, for example, isolates the tank long enough for Blitz's team to deal with it; now the enemy team doesn't have a tank for the actual engage.

Any way you cut it there, the bottom line is that Blitz's pull doesn't penalize him for a miss and causes immense damage to the enemy team when it connects. It's the EXACT same principle as Nidalee throwing spears till she hits home. It's incredibly low risk high reward gameplay.

Left Hook LarryApr 11, 20151 votes

But the whole point of blitz is to pick someone off. If he misses his hook he's useless. Plus why are you arguing about Blitz when Thresh is pretty much the same thing, but offers more to the table? If you pull a squishy with Thresh, they're dead. Same with Blitz. Except if Thresh doesn't land his hook he can still peel very well. Much better than Blitz.

Blitz is only good in lower elo solo que. There's a reason why he isn't played in competitive matches.

Sailor MintApr 5, 20153 votes

Blitzcrank is a member of Bronzodia for a reason. If your team can't handle it, just mention the name of the Forbidden One and hope they ban him.

OmiwomApr 6, 20153 votes

Worst part is how little effort blitz has to put in. oh and the laugh spam after he hits his first of ten grabs.

StrangestEchoApr 6, 20153 votes

He's not so much broken as he is toxic. If you have a blitz and your team is struggling, he's literally one of the most useless supports in the game. On the other hand, if most of your team is doing well he's extremely effective at creating map pressure and getting picks.

Ezreal is one the best adcs to pick against him, because you actually cancel his grab with your e if you respond fast enough.

Better JunglerApr 6, 20151 votes

I gotta disagree. A blitz can pull regardless of how well his teams doing. And if he gets a good grab on someone.. your team can delete them then its a 4 v 5. his speed lets him roam, and i still firmly believe no one below gold can play ez or lee sin right.

Left Hook LarryApr 7, 20151 votes

Lol you act as if its easy to pull a Vayne.

DJ Di0Apr 6, 20151 votes

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He's not so much broken as he is toxic. If you have a blitz and your team is struggling, he's literally one of the most useless supports in the game. On the other hand, if most of your team is doing well he's extremely effective at creating map pressure and getting picks.

Ezreal is one the best adcs to pick against him, because you actually cancel his grab with your e if you respond fast enough.

I think Leona has it worse in the 'playing while behind department'. If Leona is behind she's not going to be tanky enough to withstand the other teams damage, so if she goes in she'll probably die. If Blitzcrank is behind but he gets a hook onto the 12/0 Vayne, his cc-chain is more than enough for his team to follow up and kill her; all it takes is one good hook. One downside with Blitz is if you accidentally hook the Renekton instead of Vayne you just gave him an easy stun.

As for ADC's who can dash out of his hook, I believe Tristana can do that, too.

arcinexApr 6, 20152 votes

Bronze adc/supports don't know how to deal with Blitz. It's actually really easy and why you never see blitz in esports and rarely see it in challenger games.

Better JunglerApr 5, 20151 votes

Was expecting alot of trash talk on this for my sour post.. Yall are actually helping me feel better. lol xD thank you. im glad im not just getting the "Bronze cuz u suck blitz aint hard"

It Hertz When IPApr 6, 20151 votes

I used to have a ton of problems with Blitz. What actually helps is understanding that there is no real in-game strategy to counter him as a squishy support. The real counter is to understand and outplay his summoner. Most every Blitz I've faced has a set pattern or sequence they follow when they intend to go in: one guy always entered the bush first, one of them liked to push through to the front of his minion wave, one always activated his knockup ability right before.... noticeable and predictable habits. Make sure you aren't following habits yourself; don't always dodge left, etc. If you think you're going to be facing a Blitz, grab a counter pick. Morgana and her shield basically invalidate Blitz altogether, Thresh's lantern gives grabbed allies a fast way out of the situation, Leona practically uses Blitz's Q as a free engage tool...

SwiftKitten88Apr 6, 20151 votes

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I used to have a ton of problems with Blitz. What actually helps is understanding that there is no real in-game strategy to counter him as a squishy support. The real counter is to understand and outplay his summoner. Most every Blitz I've faced has a set pattern or sequence they follow when they intend to go in: one guy always entered the bush first, one of them liked to push through to the front of his minion wave, one always activated his knockup ability right before.... noticeable and predictable habits. Make sure you aren't following habits yourself; don't always dodge left, etc. If you think you're going to be facing a Blitz, grab a counter pick. Morgana and her shield basically invalidate Blitz altogether, Thresh's lantern gives grabbed allies a fast way out of the situation, Leona practically uses Blitz's Q as a free engage tool...

no way to counter blitz? sure there is.. when he walks forwards he is going to try to throw a hook at you.. so either watch for it and side step it, get out of range, or stay behind minions. its really that easy...

It Hertz When IPApr 6, 20151 votes

This is one of those cases that the phrase "easier said than done" is made for. In an ideal lane, with just me and Blitz and some minions, this would be useful advice. Except that that lane doesn't exist bot.

A) Side step would be great if I didn't get blocked by minions. And if I wasn't forced to dedicate attention to my ADC. B) Getting out of range of his pull involves falling back enough that missing out on minion XP becomes an issue. Oh, and I'm also back far enough that hiding behind my minions isn't an option. C) As I said, not every Blitz player throws a hook after walking up to you. Not even the majority that I've seen.

CsfuserApr 6, 20151 votes

Blitz really isn't hard to deal with, as an ex Blitz main, when people even somewhat knew what they were doing it was a lot harder to hit a hook, and blitz only does well in very niche situations if your team is behind.

Better JunglerApr 6, 20151 votes

Would love to have a red post in here to help out with my question. haha

GrashnimApr 6, 20151 votes

Ban or stand behind a minion. Play leona and win.

SwiftKitten88Apr 6, 20151 votes

the the same reason poeple are complaining nid is op.. becuase they cant dodge... blitz pull nid's spear ahri's charm thresh hook

all of these have 2 things in common

they are line based skillshots that stop at the first target hit
if you get hit by them unless your really tanky your probably dead

these are the 4 hardest skills in the game to land and they have the highest reward when they land.

they are ALL quite easy to dodge. they can ALL be stopped by keeping minions between yourself and the player with the ability

they are NOT op.. learn to counterplay. don't stand out in the open, and dont let them hit and you'll be fine.

this is one of the reason why i find the whole "nid is op" crap such bs... ALL her damage required her to land THE hardest skillshot in the game to land. and because of that and the fact she is very squishy and has zero CC and loses to almost any bruiser makes her one of the easiest champs in the game to counterplay.

it annoys me how many stupid nerfs she is getting because people cant be bothered to learn how to STAY BEHIND MINIONS.

traps are now worthless vs players and monsters like (they were already worthless vs anything but tanks and jungle mob now thier _completly _ worthless), and she is getting an HP nerf on pbe which again wont solve anything because the issue isn't HER at all. the issue is people refuse to learn how to play against her. they dont ward when she is jungling and the stand in front of creep in lane. for nidalee to do ANY damage SHE has to initiate the fight by procing hunted with a spear. if you go in on her before she can proc hunted on you she will lose every trade. and people are too stupid to realize this and just call her op. there is a reason you dont see any mid nidalees in challenger. because in challenger thier not stupid and don't stand out in the open when facing nid.

Better JunglerApr 6, 20151 votes

Ahris charm is slower than bltiz grab, and not an instant pull to your location. nidalees spear is ultra thin, and the hardest to hit skillshot in game thresh hook has longer range than blitz pull, but pulls halfway.

SwiftKitten88Apr 6, 20151 votes

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Ahris charm is slower than bltiz grab, and not an instant pull to your location. nidalees spear is ultra thin, and the hardest to hit skillshot in game thresh hook has longer range than blitz pull, but pulls halfway.

and they still are all countered the same way: stay behind minions, get out of range.. or sidestep it... so whats your point? granted blutz hook is proably the hardest of those to sidestep because its the widest, but you can always stay behind minions

Better JunglerApr 6, 20151 votes

my point. is there is not a skillshot in the game that pulls a champ to your location from that distance, with that speed and width other than blitz.

NewOnyxApr 6, 20151 votes

IM SALTY WITH U YO, I HATE Blitzcrank Annie for bot lane..

RatbertApr 6, 20151 votes

Well if blitz is hard to beat for you, pick morg, sivir, leona, ali, thresh or someone who has a speedy dash/blink. They all render blitz a useless meatbag if played right.