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Hotfix Ezreal and Kai sa RIGHT FUCKING NOW

D357R0Y3R·May 31, 2018·81 votes·19,221 views

it's just as scarra said, crit gets nerfed and riot is not able to bloody put a single nerf to tune down non crit adcs

https://i.gyazo.com/1a0dc54b1c6b774f9b5cbd91e9c7c5c8.png https://i.gyazo.com/5c79b3398eeeae59f09c1bb26ea0cfe8.png

and now we either have to abuse them or ban them but you can't ban the 2 champions and if you're an adc main you just have to hope that your team bans the other one

wow i mean thanks, i really enjoy playing against ezreal who doesn't build fcking crit but rather and WHICH GOT BUFFED BY THE WAY

oh yea, i forgot that we don't have sustain against his poke anymore yikes

145 Comments

Malix FarwinMay 31, 201827 votes

Patch up a few hours, most people are still sleep, sampling size is extremely small, and yet you want immediate hox fixes. This somehow sounds okay to you?

D357R0Y3RMay 31, 201823 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EABi9QBF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-31T11:41:25.084+0000)

This somehow sounds okay to you?

play against ezreal as an adc not named kai sa and lucian i dare you and we will see if it sounds ok or not

literally just logical crit gets nerfed bork buffed, with bt sustain gets nerfed and you expect ezreal who was already S tier with double tear to not be broken?

ok

TerozuJun 1, 20182 votes

Ezreal has a sub 50% winrate vs Jinx, Twitch, Vayne and others.

Lightning IMay 31, 201828 votes

Ezreal literally has the highest pick rate you will ever see in your life. This somehow sounds okay to you?

BestPudgeNAMay 31, 201811 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lightning I,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EABi9QBF,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-05-31T12:07:59.296+0000)

Ezreal literally has the highest pick rate you will ever see in your life. This somehow sounds okay to you?

His pick rate has been over 50% in high ELO for months, his pick rate actually went down because his ban rate went up though LOL

ParanoidNocJun 1, 20184 votes

So what your saying is he was already in need of a nerf before his competition got dumpstered?

NineTailedMysticMay 31, 20181 votes

Wasn't Jhin at 55% PR a long time ago?

Akali is SO HOTMay 31, 20183 votes

I think Cait, Jhin, and Vayne have all hovered around the 60% pickrate mark for a short period of time once or twice. Ezreal has hovered around 50% since basically forever.

HibekiMay 31, 20182 votes

Any champion in the game having above 20% pick rate means they are obviously too strong.

This is not a for fun game. People are picked because of their effectiveness, and if they are being picked this often it means they obviously do their job TOO efficiently to the point where they are basically pick ban.

40% pick rate is not "this is fun" it is "This champion is fucking busted and gets picked any time its not banned"

TerozuJun 1, 20183 votes

No no no no no. Pick rates are indicators of popularity not strength.

saltranMay 31, 201816 votes

Ezreal holy fk 40.3 pickrate and 52% winrate. I don't think I've seen this numbers on any champ before.

NocturnalSheildMay 31, 201811 votes

Oh man that scary 52% winrate exreal.

I though the forums had finally agreed 48-52% was okay because its almost impossible to get everyone at 50% even.

D357R0Y3RMay 31, 201887 votes

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Oh man that scary 52% winrate exreal.

you mean 52% win rate with 40% pick rate?

lol that sounds totally balanced indeed

WDG DevourMay 31, 20186 votes

There aren't that many ADCs...

XxDRAGONsAK47xXMay 31, 201826 votes

There's like 20???

saltranMay 31, 20186 votes

I mean, he has a point and adcs have the shortest champion pool which leads into the most picked adc to be the most picked champ on the game often.

Also it doesn't change that Ezreal is busted right now.

PB4UAMEMay 31, 20184 votes

What are you talking about, they are the largest group of any of the thirteen subclasses, accounting for roughly 1 in 7 champions in the entire game. They literally and without any exaggeration, are the largest subset of champions, unless you want to go to ridiculous sweeping generalizations like "the category of melee champions" or something asinine like that.

There are more ADCs than: Juggernauts, Divers, Assassins, Wardens, Enchanters, Burst Mages, Artillery Mages, Battle Mages, Vanguards, Catchers, Skirmishers, or Specialists.

It Hertz When IPMay 31, 20184 votes

Personally I see that as the result of Riot breaking up all the main classes except ADC into multiple subcategories. If you scrolled back in time to before that and compared the roster of Tanks, Mages, Supports, and Assassins to ADCs, it'd look less one-sided.

NocturnalSheildMay 31, 20183 votes

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you mean 52% win rate with 40% pick rate?

lol that sounds totally balanced indeed

If he had a 100% pickrate it would still be balanced.

52% winrate means he wins TWO GAMES MORE EVERY 100 GAMES.

that means playing the super OP champion would get you like 20LP EVERY ONE HUNDRED GAMES more than playing a balanced champion.

Ooo man thats like a whole division....oh well its definatly a rank up...oh wait no thats barely 20% of a level.

Lawl.

I dont consider anything below 54% super op.

And 52-54% merely needs some love taps.

D357R0Y3RMay 31, 201818 votes

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I

I dont consider anything below 54% super op.

thanks god u dont work at riot else we wouldnt have got graves and xin nerfs

Malix FarwinMay 31, 20182 votes

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thanks god u dont work at riot else we wouldnt have got graves and xin nerfs

To be fair you are retty biased, there are champs with higher WR then those two and you are not even mentioning them but at the same time you want to use WR as the main metric.

BakedLotionMay 31, 201812 votes

because ban rate and pick rate also comes into play.

I couldn't care less if someone like Amumu had a 60% win rate if there has only been 10 games.

Malix FarwinMay 31, 20181 votes

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because ban rate and pick rate also comes into play.

I couldn't care less if someone like Amumu had a 60% win rate if there has only been 10 games.

Day 1 pick rate is not normalized so how does it come into play. Literally the sites you guys are linking have an 8k sampling size, there are millions of matches each day.

BakedLotionMay 31, 20189 votes

dont know why you're saying you guys when i'm not the one linking anything.

i'm just directly replying to your comment but ok you do you

NorthernRedStarMay 31, 20184 votes

52% win rate is extremely /respectable/ (read: top tier) for an ADC, even without counting in the pick rate.

Then you realize Ezreal's being more popular than every other role's most picked champion, and you've got a big problem.

Goddamn newbies.

NocturnalSheildMay 31, 20181 votes

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52% win rate is extremely /respectable/ (read: top tier) for an ADC, even without counting in the pick rate.

Then you realize Ezreal's being more popular than every other role's most picked champion, and you've got a big problem.

Goddamn newbies.

Been playing this game for over 7 years. And ive been hearing this bullshit about popular champions should have 10% winrate for just as long.

Yet ive never ONCE seen actual proof that popular champions get their winrate dragged down by noobs.

And ive seen plenty of champions become popular overnight and they gain winrate as often as they lose it.

Especially if it wasnt a super niche champion to begin with.

Goddamn sheep.

BobaFlautistMay 31, 20185 votes

Even ignoring the argument that you hate so much, a super high playrate means two things:

The champion is super popular, and drowning out other picks (which is an inherent problem even if they aren't too strong).
The winrate data is far less susceptible to random spikes from Challenger smurf "It's All Skill" winning 25 games in a row.

But there is evidence, though it's a little indirect - every champion has a dramatically higher winrate as number of games played on them goes up. If a chanpion's playrate goes up, the average number of games played on people playing them goes down.

RexxieeMay 31, 201811 votes

Draven is at 54 too btw.

Meanwhile jinx wr dropped by 5% down to 47.9%, vayne at almost 44%.

Lmao what a terrible patch.

Daddy AntsMay 31, 20187 votes

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Draven is at 54 too btw.

Meanwhile jinx wr dropped by 5% down to 47.9%, vayne at almost 44%.

Lmao what a terrible patch.

Yep.

All my mains are now unviable.

Vayne not viable. Jinx not viable Caitlyn not viable. Twitch not viable.

Guess It's time to be a jungler.

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EABi9QBF,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-31T14:38:50.179+0000)

They buffed non crit builds. That was intentional. You can have it one of two ways; do you want crit to be the only option, or do you want early game ADCs to exist and actually have a balanced bot lane where early ADCs can punish late game scaling ADCs?

I want a fair and balanced bot lane where both types of ADC's can be played to success.

Looking at the current win rates that is far from the case.

Kaisa Draven Ezreal Jhin MissFortune are a problem right now.

Not 2 weeks later in 8.12. They need to address them ASAP.

Ezreal 's double tear abuse bullshit can be fixed by making the tear items exclusive, AKA cannot be bought together.

TerozuMay 31, 20188 votes

Your mains are some of the most unfair champs to play against. And they are all basically the reason this patch happened.

Furthermore twitch and jinx are more likely to win vs an Ezreal than he is.

Daddy AntsMay 31, 20186 votes

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Your mains are some of the most unfair champs to play against. And they are all basically the reason this patch happened.

That isn't a valid excuse for them to be at 45 and 46% win rates.

TerozuMay 31, 20184 votes

Ummm when a patch just released yesterday mornimg specifically targetted to weaken them yes yes it is. People havnt adapted to new items yet.

Pika FoxMay 31, 201810 votes

Oh hey, riot fixes the issue and now people complain about other things. Hotfix the boards and remove useless QQ posts would be a better hotfix.

BisaknospMay 31, 201810 votes

i've seen many people complain about ezreal and kai sa even before this patch so not really

Daddy AntsMay 31, 20186 votes

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i've seen many people complain about ezreal and kai sa even before this patch so not really

They over nerfed Crit users and didn't think to bring down the non crit builds.

Hence why Ezreal, MF, Draven, Varus and Kai'Sa are dominant

Pika FoxMay 31, 20183 votes

They buffed non crit builds. That was intentional. You can have it one of two ways; do you want crit to be the only option, or do you want early game ADCs to exist and actually have a balanced bot lane where early ADCs can punish late game scaling ADCs?

Daddy AntsMay 31, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EABi9QBF,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-31T14:38:50.179+0000)

They buffed non crit builds. That was intentional. You can have it one of two ways; do you want crit to be the only option, or do you want early game ADCs to exist and actually have a balanced bot lane where early ADCs can punish late game scaling ADCs?

LOL Bot Lane is far from balanced right now.

It's back to early S7 where Crit adcs are basically redundant.

Win rates show that.

Pika FoxMay 31, 20185 votes

Yeah, im sure we know all of how to balance off of a couple hours of gameplay. Yup. Totally. Just as im sure you know more than riot.

TerozuMay 31, 20182 votes

But crit users are late game champs who are supposed to be better with premades.

SalsonMay 31, 20186 votes

Can you link the site when you do this?

I want to see Lucian, MF and Varus, they seem like sleepers to me.

saltranMay 31, 20188 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Ezreal/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Kaisa/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Lucian/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/MissFortune/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Varus/

Varus is worse, MF is good but not op, Lucian seems to be back but not even near to op and Ezreal and Kai'Sa are out of control.

Edit: numbers has changed and MF has gone up like 2% winrate since yesterday.

lolipopevelynnMay 31, 20186 votes

Realistically the crit changes only hurt ash jinx twitch and trist. Everyone else spams abilities. This patch simply swapped which breed of adc is op. Crit is out and caster adc is in. Patch solved NOTHING. Bot lane is STILL problematic, if not more so because kaisa corki and ezrel only needs essence reaver to pop off, which can be rushed.

Good job balance team. 6 months to solve the core issue of bot lane only to simply shift which adc's are a problem.

Slythrin UmbreonMay 31, 20186 votes

And if you do ban them, you have to deal with everything else you don't want to play against too. This is a fun game.

Its All SkillzzMay 31, 20185 votes

Popular and op are two different things, 52% win rate means nothing lol.

remakoroMay 31, 201821 votes

with 40% pickrate? 52% even with average pickrate means it quite strong.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERMay 31, 20184 votes

I agree but you also need to understand it’s currently 5am pacific, highly doubtful anyone is in the office.

GripaAviaraMay 31, 20183 votes

I thought win rates are atm just for last patch since it's too early

Wild GeeseMay 31, 20183 votes

Ezreal is OK I don't think he needs a hotfix... maybe something in a patch or two,...

Kai'Sa on the other hand, I mean she's been overpowered for a while now, the nerfs didn't really change anything. And they should had seen this coming with the adc itemization not doing anything to her, even making some core items cheaper...

The problem with Kai'Sa as I see it, is her Q's are locked on when she hits them in range, so she can Q and run out of range and you still are hit by all 6. The attack shouldn't happen all at once, it should be staged so you can evade some hits/she can't hit and run with her Q. The Q should move with her like a Zoe paddlestar.

Icathian Rain acquires its targets upon cast. Moving will not change its targets.

What I'm saying is this function is a huge mistake.

Malix FarwinMay 31, 20182 votes

if i take a quick look here day 1 Karthus has a 54% WR better nerf him too?

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champions/

D357R0Y3RMay 31, 20185 votes

yea, karthus has 40% pick rate

you got me

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