When are you going to fix Lulu perma shielding Riot?

BALDG1VEN BOOMER·Mar 13, 2018·16 votes·1,181 views

Max Lulu E with 45% CDR

Duration: 6 Seconds

Cooldown: 5.5 Seconds

There has been a 0.5 second gap between Lulu perma shielding ever since 45% CDR was introduced back almost three years ago, don't believe me? Here's a Reddit thread from October, 2015.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3qpdxd/the_impact_on_45_cdr_on_every_champions/

Scroll down to Lulu and you'll see it's been like this for almost three years now! Three years! When are you going to address this absurdity? I mean I play Lulu avidly but this is just beyond ridiculous that I can be literally perma shielding whoever I want when I get 45% CDR which isn't hard because of how over capped CDR is anyways.

But the fact we're pushing nearly three years and this hasn't been addressed since 45% CDR hit live just blows my mind now.

17 Comments

ŚhunpoMar 13, 20184 votes

Come to think of it, where have the Lulu nerfs even been for the past few years?

iRageQuitQQMar 13, 20183 votes

The fact she got away three years doing that shows they don't care

Who Fed RuMar 13, 20183 votes

Idk why we always need to balance champions around "having windows of ability downtime that you can punish" when shit like Lulu Janna Soraka runs around.

ampheonMar 13, 20183 votes

Janna was reworked to having poke in lane, and can't spam shield until out of lane, and it was given a larger cd and a lower base on her shield, which take longer to go down, considering you usually max W now.

Soraka has virtually no peel, the root takes 3 seconds to come into effect, and on a large cd. The silence is good at interrupting some champions, however, but soraka usually has to be in range of them so she could get up in the process.

Lulu, on the other hand, has decent poke in lane, her shield, polymorph, and her knockup on ult. Usually, the best way to deal with Lulu (and Janna) is to burst or poke them down from far away, so the shield hardly makes a diff, and you cant be exhausted or polymorphed, but the majority of the community prefers divers, bruisers or assassin, so they want Lulu to be for fair to them, and not instantly prevent a kill, while keeping you in range be killed. At least with Janna, you're either interrupted mid-dash or but away so you're only denied a kill, but it lulu stops you mid-dash it's most likely right in front of the ADC, and you're about to get polymorphed.

Not to say that Raka and Janna don't have their problems, they can usually be mitigated (hard engage against soraka, hard poke against Janna), but, since Lulu has different effects on her abilities she's a bit more versatile, and can leave you in danger if you do up in.

TLDR; Janna and Soraka are usually seen by the community as easier to deal with than Lulu is.

BoltonatorMar 13, 20183 votes

All of those are valid points but the one silver lining in this, and probably the reason they haven’t nerfed Lulu in awhile, is because her kit is extremely reliant on her team taking advantage of the utility she brings.

Example- her shield is strong mid-late game no doubt, but if she puts it on someone who just blindly charges in than it is a waste. Same can be said with her W; if the adc doesn’t take advantage of the attack speed boost it gives than Lulu would have wasted an invaluable skill on a lengthy cd timer. Same when using it on the enemy- she can’t use t on the wrong target or it will completely change the outcome of a team fight.

I am a Lulu main so I would prefer she not get anymore nerfs but I DO understand how potentially broken she can be if she has capable teammates around her.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERMar 13, 20181 votes

The counterplay to shields is their down time. Even Riot has state this.

T4underboltMar 14, 20181 votes

She didn't get a single nerf. She is epitome of bullsht freelo support. Negates any play, promotes passive lanes with 0 interaction towards her but she has a free poke which you can barely avoid. You literally shield ADC for entire hp bar plus heal him with ultimate. Lulu and Janna are the most broken supports in the game for a long time now. Either nerf them or remove shield and heal power from support items.

HammermancerMar 13, 20182 votes

but muh lulu top

KythersMar 14, 20182 votes

yeah that 6 second cs ~400 hp shield is broken because it has no downtime

every time I want to engage a teamfight I can't because Lulu's shield isn't on cooldown and I would lose the engage solely because the shield is up, the 5 people on my team cannot deal enough DPS to break through 400 damage every 6 seconds

BoltonatorMar 14, 20181 votes

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yeah that 6 second cs ~400 hp shield is broken because it has no downtime

every time I want to engage a teamfight I can't because Lulu's shield isn't on cooldown and I would lose the engage solely because the shield is up, the 5 people on my team cannot deal enough DPS to break through 400 damage every 6 seconds

Somebody gets it

InTheoryMar 13, 20181 votes

I must admit that this is problematic. Janna has been nerfed for that really hard. Her shield only lasts 5 seconds, has amuch longer CD on earlier ranks (same on rank 5). Karma even lasts for 4 seconds, but also has a CD of only 10 - 8 seconds.

HammermancerMar 13, 20181 votes

karma is a battlemage and has to self shield in order to land her tendril

OverpoweredSoapMar 13, 20183 votes

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I must admit that this is problematic. Janna has been nerfed for that really hard. Her shield only lasts 5 seconds, has amuch longer CD on earlier ranks (same on rank 5). Karma even lasts for 4 seconds, but also has a CD of only 10 - 8 seconds.

That's because support Karma is kind of ass without her shield and mantra shield.

EDIT: I think I read this wrong rip my b.

Anyways, Riot always seems to be reluctant to nerf Lulu (besides when she goes to another lane anyways, then they nerf her) some reason. She's a bit too strong at what she does.

She just has a lot in her kit imo, and that makes her difficult to balance.

CowseedMar 13, 20181 votes

Um.... why champion getting a 6 second shield? I like lulu but I'm not going to pretend that isn't aids.

AimléssMar 13, 20181 votes

I don't understand why any shield lasts for 6 seconds anyway. If Riot wants shields to take some actual skill, so people wouldn't complain about them being braindead, maybe they should be lasting 1-2 seconds. Make her have to time them at least ffs.

I mean it's bad enough that it's targetted, and on an ally so it's not like they can run in bushes to avoid it or anything. It's literally a super impactful ability that takes practically no thought to pull off. And you wonder why no one wants to play support.

2Charmnot2CharmMar 13, 20181 votes

Janna shield lasts for 5 seconds too.

I guess those two last long because riot want the buffs to last on targets for a while (Lulu's Pix and the AD Janna shield grants) can't think of any other reason the shields would last that long.

Biggest MO3 FanAug 27, 20181 votes

its august and lulu is still problem..... the stupid little nerf they gave her , still didnt fix her all that much. Not even janna has the amount of anti-engage and peel lulu has. janna has the power to ult you away and thats it, and maybe displaces you with a nado IF SHE HITS IT. but lulu has a point and click polymorph that starts a 1.25 AND scales up to 2.25. thats ridicolous...... POINT AND CLICK btw. she has her ult which displaces you if you go in for the adc , besides the THICC shields.... she just has the ability to make sure , fighters and assasins useless. because no matter how much of fucking monkeys they are, if someone goes in and gets skillfully poly morphed , theyre dead, because its a free target.