Assassin Misconception?

AHarmlessTaco··4 votes·654 views

So with this new update, Riot went through and changed a bunch of champions previously noted to be Assassins. In their process, Riot took these highly volatile champions and stretched out their time to kill. It seems that everyone is now upset because these champions: A. do not necessarily 100-0 champions in under 1 second, or B. still do so despite Riot saying this was not the goal, or C. do not have burst comparable to Annie or Syndra and thus mages are better assassins than Assassins are.

Now, am I correct here in assuming that everyone is basing the success of the assassin update on their ability to kill a target? Because the way I see it, Riot made every assassin with mobility and tactical decision making at the forefront of their champion designs and blatantly said that Assassins are not meant to be superior burst mages, but rather mobile and elusive finishers or solo combatants.

I feel like damage is important, but above all I feel that the way these champions are used should be their highlights. I feel as though there should be more debilitation going on, like "dealing 90% of the target's health nearsights them for 6 seconds" or "landing a full combo stuns the target for 3 seconds", not "okay, its hard to do but if you can land a full combo, they die." The latter line of thinking seems to be the root of everyone's frustration. Thoughts?

24 Comments

Astôlfo5 votes

Nope.

Assassins should be able to burst single targets in 0.5-0.8 seconds TOTAL.

They're not superior burst mages, NOR WERE THEY EVER. Mages have FAR LONGER range. Mages have SHITTONS OF CC. Mages have SHITTONS OF AOE. Mages have SHITTONS OF SAFETY. And Zhonya's completely shits on any assassin. If Zhonya's is up and a mage dies to an assassin, they are trash.

Ralanr1 votes

Honestly they both filled the gap of burst damage which constantly lead to arguments of "why play one when you can play the other?"

I feel Mages and marksmen need to be toned down so the new assassins can do their job properly.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Nope.

Assassins should be able to burst single targets in 0.5-0.8 seconds TOTAL.

They're not superior burst mages, NOR WERE THEY EVER. Mages have FAR LONGER range. Mages have SHITTONS OF CC. Mages have SHITTONS OF AOE. Mages have SHITTONS OF SAFETY. And Zhonya's completely shits on any assassin. If Zhonya's is up and a mage dies to an assassin, they are trash.

Except Assassins have much more mobility and outplay potential. At least, they would if they had CC.

Mages don't have shittons of CC, that's just Syndra. Most only have a single target stun.

My deal with Assassins is how half their kit is now AoE and 3-6 second cooldowns.

Jbels3 votes

Rengar still 100-0's people all the time, even with only 2-3 items. And I don't care what anybody says, Syndra and Annie are assassins

ScissorsNstuff2 votes

There actually is a misconception

Dealing tons of damage is not really the job of an assassin. Killing isn't necessarily their job either

Their job is to remove specific targets from fights and interactions and all that and killing them happens to be a great way to accomplish this.

They also tend to act as finishers

You have champs like Yasuo zipping around and dashing all over the fucking place just cutting your team down, you need someone with even faster mobility and too much damage for him to 1 trick through, that's when you need an assassin.

That's why Katarina now has a double jump and Talon jumps over walls now. Being an assassin is in fact about a lot more than sneaking up and dealing fast damage which is why Diana and Rengar are absolutely shitty assassins even whenever they are more than viable champions worth playing.

Ralanr1 votes

Well Diana isn't meant to be an assassin. She's just built that way.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Assassins should be limited like mages, relying on significant cooldowns & positioning to be effective; but shouldn't be able to just waltz through teams nor chain-kill multiple people either, as their opportunity cost for taking out the primary target quickly. Difference is the assassins still have safety & mobility, while mages have range.

Astôlfo2 votes

You.… think assassins have safety… and mages don't.… BWAHAHAHAHA. Give me some of what you're smoking.

And they can't ever multi-chain kill except for Kat and Kha pre-rework. Mages can AoE burst whole teams with CC.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I said "shouldn't", read before you reply.

Astôlfo2 votes

And… you completely ignore the first part of what I said. You seem to think assassins have safety. And the word "while" is used to imply mages don't. You seem to think mages don't have safety. You're hilarious.

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

Safety isn't just a banshee's veil, mobility dodges skillshots easily; which most mages rely on while most assassins have dashes or blinks. I was expecting you to put forethought into your response. No I'm not saying mages aren't safe, but I'm saying theirs isn't nearly as abusive.

Astôlfo2 votes

pfffffft.

Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Zhonya's shits on assassins. CC shits on assassins. Range shits on assassins.

ScissorsNstuff2 votes

assassins should be able to chain kill as long as people are dying.

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

Ever hear of a regicide where the killer didn't stop at the king, and proceeded to wipe out the entire castle of servants too? The assassin is to take out the most valuable target, that's it, nothing more nothing less.

Astôlfo2 votes

There's only two assassins in the entire game that can do that - Kha'Zix and Katarina. And they don't have enough burst to chain kill by themselves. The only way they can do that is if multiple enemies are already low-health. They're just clean-up duty of the injured.

Just stop. Your ignorance is embarrassing.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

You're contradicting his point despite trying to agree, it's like it's your smurf account in disguise. [slayer-jinx-wink]

ScissorsNstuff3 votes

Well if were going off history lets also make the assassins too hard to detect until its too late to even respond to or attempt to counterplay lol

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Oh you mean like rengar & vayne? lol

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

no, you get a chance to react to both.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Sure they are, show me a video of someone dodging vayne's condemn/auto-attacks from stealth.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Pr85rL-4k

I've blocked rengar combos as fiora before. Don't feel like looking for more vids.

But just because you aren't dodging the whole thing doesn't mean you are being instantly killed, you are given a chance to react unlike against actual assassins in both cases though rengar comes a hell of a lot closer than vayne ever will but this isn't all assassins do, rengar also gives you time to respond since he doesn't actually have any hard CC

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Not surprised it was by fiora, but I've already seen that before too; anyway thanks for actualy looking. Instantaneously dead is an exaggeration, but going from full health to no health in less than 2 seconds feels cheap, regardless of who you play. That's my point. And rengar's bola-strike is a root, if he has full stacks of his passive.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

dead in less than 3 seconds is normal dead in less than 2 is somewhat fast but its really not that special lol

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