His ability to heal and deny CC while bursting you down is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever had the misfortune of playing against. If you have to play against this champ top lane, I apologize for your bad luck because it’s a miserable experience. Not denying that there aren’t ways to beat it, but it’s just cheesey and fucking obnoxious and takes way more effort to do than it should require.
Death by Glamour57 votesBecause you get instantly downvoted when his mains see it.
Hos survivabilty while building full damage is a bit of a joke
kargish6 votesI am curious. What Rengar is durable for building full damage? Part of doing that damage is to sacrifice his W early to get 4 stacks.
PlsBuffMyMain3 votes[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E7JFQVKB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-24T16:26:31.096+0000)
Because you get instantly downvoted when his mains see it.
Hos survivabilty while building full damage is a bit of a joke
His survivability isn't that high, as a Vlad main I can tell you that. Not even a Rengar main, but unless Rengar is insanely fed or your team didn't peel, he's likely going to die if he leaps in to a straight up 5v5.
UnityGameplay1 votesbut hes at least gonna be able to onehsot ure carry before he dies since theres like no way to stop his jump unless ure liek sejuani or something
BigotWhiteMale1 votesNo he won't. Rengar is a champ that needs to leverage an advantage to be relevant. League players are just frustrated that there's a champ that looks tailor made to punish their laziness. You know what you find annoying about Rengar? That he forces you to adapt and punishes mistakes REALLY hard, and a good Rengar knows this, and will look for those mistakes and force them, or know when they are most commonly made. Also, this "oneshoetting your carry anyways" is a win for your team. Let me explain: -If he has oneshot potential it means he is fed,if not THE MOST fed enemy player; -trading 1 for 1 is then really fucking stupid. -Daily reminder that any 6/0 champion will oneshot your ass or at least feel like no counterplay is there to be had. 10/0+ means you got stomped and have no business winning that game and the burden is all on the fed guy to throw or win.
Cold Day in Hell1 votesTellme when a 6 0 anivia will oneshot you with 2 mana items, im waiting, but a 2 0 rengar with a tiamat will do it, what are you talking about?
Soikkhh1 votesnice cope, but rengar is still a broken champp
Ralanr47 votesBush, jump, Bush, jump, Bush, jump, ignite, dead.
Rinse and repeat.
SuicidePlank28 votesBush, jump, Bush, jump, Bush, jump, ignite, dead.
Rinse and repeat.
I love this interactive Toplane gameplay! Tell me about his busted Ferocity W please!
HateDaddy12 votesBush, jump, Bush, jump, Bush, jump, ignite, dead.
Rinse and repeat.
Again, you can beat him if you deny him bush control/ferocity stacks but even on champions that “should” beat rengar, that isn’t easy to do.
kingDeDeDarius3 votesAgain, you can beat him if you deny him bush control/ferocity stacks but even on champions that “should” beat rengar, that isn’t easy to do.
Agreed, even as a dariusai , I usually have to wait to get items and not feed until about level 6 to start beating him...and that's with a supposed lane bully juggernauts (which is a joke tbh)
Tailypo1 votesOr after he jumps do literally anything. I've hardly ever seen rengar top, and it's never felt remotely unbeatable.
Bârd20 votesHe heals/denies CC or he bursts you.
Not often will he do both.
Unless he's either AP Rengar or fed an ungodly amount, he can't use his empowered W while retaining enough burst damage to kill.
UnityGameplay1 votesbruh his heal is jsut from pressin w now he dont need empowered so he can oneshot u with empowered q and then w away with his passive speed
Bârd1 voteshe can oneshot u with empowered q and then w away with his passive speed
This is not how Rengar works.
Rengar needs to use his W to build up Ferocity to use his empowered Q.
If he uses his W in the opening split second of the fight, he's not healing shit.
If he uses his W afterwards, then he's been tanking the enemy team for 4 seconds waiting for his Q to come back up, so he'll just end up limping away on half HP.
MLDzXnRRR15 votesI don't know, he seems weaker than pre-rework when u could charge ferocity and not lose it out of combat... The AOE-Q reworked Rengar was really strong, despite the community claiming the opposite and saw plenty of e-sports play in all regions and even had to be nerfed to the ground - he was no longer single target and his counters like Teemo, Pantheon and similar couldn't deny his dmg anymore. The problems with current Rengar - getting ahead = oneshot. But this is with any assassin, so there is no real problem aside from design. The community really thinks that they can pick all glass cannons and not instadie after they feed someone. Rengar loses hard to bruisers, juggernauts and is useless compared to the AOE and CC that tanks bring.
HateDaddy5 votesI don't know, he seems weaker than pre-rework when u could charge ferocity and not lose it out of combat... The AOE-Q reworked Rengar was really strong, despite the community claiming the opposite and saw plenty of e-sports play in all regions and even had to be nerfed to the ground - he was no longer single target and his counters like Teemo, Pantheon and similar couldn't deny his dmg anymore. The problems with current Rengar - getting ahead = oneshot. But this is with any assassin, so there is no real problem aside from design. The community really thinks that they can pick all glass cannons and not instadie after they feed someone. Rengar loses hard to bruisers, juggernauts and is useless compared to the AOE and CC that tanks bring.
I don’t really care about his damage - I expect rengar to do a ton of damage. What I care about is how absurdly difficult it is to actually kill him. His combination of damage/durability is totally unreasonable.
MLDzXnRRR9 votesI don’t really care about his damage - I expect rengar to do a ton of damage. What I care about is how absurdly difficult it is to actually kill him. His combination of damage/durability is totally unreasonable.
It's not unreasonable - he has no escape and not even a good way to go in without ult - a good team will always pink ward when sees his R. He is basically a melee bruiser, RIOT was thinking about reworking him into a fully fighter kit, maybe they did the wrong thing when they tried assassin rework. The CC problem is very big in Lol and gets even worse every season, because they continue to add more damage and KNOCKUPS and similar airborne effects, making completely useless the tenacity stat. Other mobas are not dominated by the same meta for 9 seasons. wow. We had 1 month of clown fiesta botlane and that was the only strategic diversity we have seen. Don't get me on tactics, because we get like 0 diversity there and most of the champions are clowns of each other with 1 or 2 ability replaced and new champs have several effects stacked in the same key slot, leading to overloaded kits. Rengar simply can't function most of the time vs meta or tanky champions at all! It's a design concept feasting on the greediness and stupidity of the opponents, making him a pubstomper in low elo, but not a decent pick in high elo. He simply gets CC chained and can't retreat like Zed and similar. (I used to play him pre-rework and have played him several times after rework; have probably played him 1-2 time after revert too)
OtimacTudjega3 votesVery true, wrongly downvoted, but thats league boards
Truli911 votesIt's not unreasonable - he has no escape and not even a good way to go in without ult - a good team will always pink ward when sees his R. He is basically a melee bruiser, RIOT was thinking about reworking him into a fully fighter kit, maybe they did the wrong thing when they tried assassin rework. The CC problem is very big in Lol and gets even worse every season, because they continue to add more damage and KNOCKUPS and similar airborne effects, making completely useless the tenacity stat. Other mobas are not dominated by the same meta for 9 seasons. wow. We had 1 month of clown fiesta botlane and that was the only strategic diversity we have seen. Don't get me on tactics, because we get like 0 diversity there and most of the champions are clowns of each other with 1 or 2 ability replaced and new champs have several effects stacked in the same key slot, leading to overloaded kits. Rengar simply can't function most of the time vs meta or tanky champions at all! It's a design concept feasting on the greediness and stupidity of the opponents, making him a pubstomper in low elo, but not a decent pick in high elo. He simply gets CC chained and can't retreat like Zed and similar. (I used to play him pre-rework and have played him several times after rework; have probably played him 1-2 time after revert too)
is zed fk invisible?? he denies cc, he can jump from long range and he heals alot. he has no counterplay.
Frontline Fury12 votesHis rework is probably the biggest failure out of the bunch. Even bigger than Kog'maw - it was supposed to prevent him from instantly deleting anything he clicks on, instead they ended up making him BETTER at instantly deleting anything he clicks on - while at the same time making all other possible playstyles and builds completely unviable, forcing Rengar to ALWAYS build for a one-shot click playstyle or be worthless to his team.
charge attack8 votes... and how was he useful to his team before his rework...? He’s always been 1-shot style until his rework where he started to build off-tank.
agac42342 votesthats not true tho. watch dekar he doesnt build full dmg and there was a build where he had a bruiser build
Hayaishi210 votesBecause Riot is fine with him.
He keeps getting reworked and everytime they never get rid of what makes him cancer.
OtimacTudjega10 votesFirst of all, i wont talk only about top lane but Rengar in general. Rengo is not a good champion in a sense where his playability depends on his ability to punish opponents for their mistakes, that is how you play Rengar, similar to Shaco, if you can't punish dumb people youre going to fall off pretty early since you can't get stacks on passive plus you have to be ahead on Rengar to do something, since you have one cc, and to use it you lose your survivability. So if you're losing to him that only means that you are cheesable, bad top lane player, and will cry on boards bcs you are required to do something to win and not win by default. About oneshot, Rengar on top is played in 3 ways, tank, bruiser or assassin(the most rare build). Tank doesn't oneshot, its idea is to be an annoying piece of shit that will capitalize on trauma that assassin Rengar gave adcs so they cry, and all others jump in to save their little boy from big meany Rengar that wants to take lunch money. So they waste all their cooldowns while Rengar with spirit visage heals back to full, and while panicing adc runs from Rengar who has no means of gap closing, nor really killing adc, Rengars team wipes out enemy team, while Rengar is in zhonyas. Bruiser Rengar, has no oneshot if not fed, but can easily kill anyone, tho if he is stopped he cannot gapclose, so, if you kite well or cc well youre fine. Assassin Rengar oneshots>proceeds to die and oneshot is not really certain, some people buy items that are good for matchup you know, like deaths dance or tabis, or armor or grievous wounds. And the most important thing that you crying cucks never listen to is, dont be degenerates that copy the same build in every game, if you need qss buy it, maw, buy it, and if you need to buy fucking tabis buy them ffs, Rengar does 12% less damage. Aye im done, also check Rengars winrate.
BigotWhiteMale1 votesStasis Rengar works because you can't ignore his damage. He WILL kill an adc if left unchecked, Triforce, grasp, the ap from zhonia's and AS steroid from q make you a non irrelevant threat. It works because you can't really stop that build from doing its thing, especially if ahead, it is tailor made to allow a rengar main/onetrick to abuse every part of Rengar's kit. Plus, if I am the Rengar in your game i WILL gapclose, because you bet your ass that I am forcing an engage around Baron/Redbuff/Dragon, where I am the most mobile motherfucker there is, and will otherwise splitpush and generally be an annoyance. People can complain all they want about how it looks like Rengar is easy, but truth is, he is really fucking hard to be effective on.
oortoomeebreesuu8 votesRengar top isn't good though. He can only do one thing and it's super predictable, and also easy to gank.
KARABICA JEBAC 8 votesDid you even build ninja tabi against him? And what champion did you pick against him on top lane? You are crying like those crybabies aka ADC mains.
Bisaknosp8 votes
is just as aids
Nhika7 votesWhere is this thread coming from? Have you even played Rengar?
He does absolutely nothing to the top meta picks, even if he starts the game with a few kills he does nothing with them in actual teamfights compared to the champions he "magically" beats.
The only champion I can see him beating are off-meta ranged champs and mages, while having a slight advantage into Darius. But we don't see any game where people outright ban Rengar, they'll be wasting bans on Jax and Galio.
If anything blame the balancing team for not bringing up more viable picks.
Hayaishi22 votesWhere is this thread coming from? Have you even played Rengar?
He does absolutely nothing to the top meta picks, even if he starts the game with a few kills he does nothing with them in actual teamfights compared to the champions he "magically" beats.
The only champion I can see him beating are off-meta ranged champs and mages, while having a slight advantage into Darius. But we don't see any game where people outright ban Rengar, they'll be wasting bans on Jax and Galio.
If anything blame the balancing team for not bringing up more viable picks.
Lmao which meta picks are those?
He shits on every ranged champion regardless of meta or off meta.
KFCeytron6 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRLStLcjIF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwIa99Ww1jc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUDmbYDiaww
So many different possible choices for background music here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntGmoDwCAvo
MythicNuclear2 votesThe top three clips have counterplay it's called STOP BEING IN THE FRONTLINE OR BY YOURSELF AS AN ADC it's not that hard. Also rengar is one of if not the worst assassins in the game rn for how predictable he is and how useless he is in teamfights. You want to counter rengar group with your team, buy armor/ga as an adc, and stop getting caught out.
KFCeytron2 votesThe top three clips have counterplay it's called STOP BEING IN THE FRONTLINE OR BY YOURSELF AS AN ADC it's not that hard. Also rengar is one of if not the worst assassins in the game rn for how predictable he is and how useless he is in teamfights. You want to counter rengar group with your team, buy armor/ga as an adc, and stop getting caught out.
In the first clip, Trist is behind the base walls, under an inhibitor turret. Rengar ult-jumps in, kills her in one hit, and Flashes out.
In the second clip, Varus is trying to farm at max range with Q, but I guess that's not allowed.
In the third clip, Cait ran back into her team's jungle, went into brush warded with a control ward, and set down a trap. Rengar jumps over the corner of the Baron wall and gets three hits (plus Electrocute, looks like) in a pretty short time period.
Note that these are Challenger matches.
I NightHunter I2 votesI hope u realize that people don't try that hard in challenger. and rengar has so many bad matchups if u see rengar just play poppy, udyr, jax and kha. rengar really is not that bad
King Livid6 votesWhat champions do you normally play? Are you a top lane main?
Teerno2 votesWhat champions do you normally play? Are you a top lane main?
He mains Jax and Nasus, so he should not have big problems
I NightHunter I2 voteswait if u play jax nasus u just dont lose to rengar wtf like highkey u have to be dumb
SlyCreed4 votesAnyone here who thinks Rengar is Op has either never played him or doesn't care to look too carefully at the facts. I will now Try to give my point of view on the matter as a Rengar main. "His ability to heal and deny CC" wrong on both accounts. He doesn't heal in the traditional sense as most other champions where they use an ability and they gain health, he must first take damage and then he has a chance to heal a portion of it back. That amount that he heals is based off a portion of the damage he took. The only time he heals crazy is if he used Normal and Empowered W. This means that he used his empowered ability on surviving, not on "bursting". "Deny CC" - this one is incredibly absurd, Rengar has no CC denial, he only has a cleanse, and its not like a GP cleanse that is on a cool down, its based off of his ferocity, the Empowered W that I was talking about earlier meaning that if he chooses to use that ability he trades out his damage or his CC. Not knowing how to trade against a Rengar to bait out his W doesn't make him broken it just means you do not know how to play against it. In Regards to "Burst" Rengar has about as much burst as Renekton or a Zed in my personal opinion. And that is good, he is an assassin, the only issue I will say is that his damage at certain points in the game are too strong, specifically when he gets his power spike of Duskblade. That being said, I think Duskblade is the issue not Rengar, since the item actually rewards with free damage for no reason what-so ever. Aside from that his damage is fair, if a Rengar builds assassin he will do his job as an assassin, not as well as other assassins I argue but his damage is there. When talking about burst people jump the bandwagon and cry Rengar, but what about other champions that always get overlooked???? Have you never been against a Kha'Zix who one-shots you with just warriors and Duskblade by using a passive auotattack and a Q? Or how about a Shaco with Duskblade and crit?? How is that fair and allowed, but oh god Rengar whose ult tells you he is near is broken beyond measure? Another point is that you said that laning against him is cancer. Laning against a good Rengar is challenging, as it should be because the player put in the time to master that champion in order to play him in top like that. Do you know what cancer it is to take Rengar top against 90% of match-ups??? Almost all champions in top either outsustain him or outscale him. Most toplane champions like Camille, Renkton, Darius, Nasus, Vladimir, Aatrox, Maokai and others have a for of sustain that doesn't require them to take damage to heal back a portion of that damage back, in turn real healing. Most of the listed champions outsustain you in trades and kill you. Other champions straight up shut you down like Garen who silences you and E's (which does damage over time and you cannot heal his Q burst because you are silenced plus his passive healing is something Rengar doesn't benefit from in surviving the lane), ,or Teemo who deals damage over time and silences you, making your damage dealing ability useless (Q). Or jax, runs you down with his E and you cannot do anything to him until it is down, a smart jax played doesnt fight without it. Another point to bring up is CC. Jax, teemo, Garen, even Darius, and many other champions have reliable and strong CC, Rengar doesn't. His only hard CC is Empowered E and if he uses that, again he misses out on empowered Q which is his damage, but unlike the other point click CC's I just listed Rengar's is a skillshot that can be blocked by minions and monsters so setting up ganks as Rengar is not as easy as most people think it is. In addition, just like Gnar, Rumble, Renekton, and Tryndamare his resource bar tells you when to fight him, its not hard. I know many people here will probably not read this, since most just jump the wagon to try and get him nerfed, but compared to some other champions out there he really doesn't deserve it. It isn't Rengar who is 90% of the times a win condition late game, that is Jax, it isn't Rengar who can melt anyone and go into stealth several times while having knock-back and true damage, that is Vayne, it isn't Rengar who has Rengar's exact burst but better and an escape and resets, that is Kha'zix. Maybe the champion is not broken, maybe most of you here do not know how to play against him. Most Rengar players that you see are players who dedicated their time and are actually good at the champion, some are who pick up the champion after watching a NightBlue Video but that is not usually the case, the fact is that when you are in a game and the enemy Rengar is 4 kills ahead and 3 levels on you because he played well early on it isn't because the champion is broken, its because the player played well or got lucky off your teammates or your own misplay. This post is not to cry about Rengar's weaknesses or to bash anyone, its just that there are few normal Rengar players, most try him and drop him because they do not do well, if you do not believe me watch one of Yassuo's recent vods where he plays the day before the new season, he enters the champselect and procedes to complain about Rengar because he recently played against Scrubnoob, saying that the champion is busted, he picks the champion and proceeds to turn into the best chef in the world feeding. I implore you to try Rengar out before you complain about him, see how useless he can feel late game in teamfights, how he struggles without real sustain in toplane. Experience how good it feels to outplay someone with bushes and how it actually feels to use ferocity to determine if you want to try to CC someone, to bait out enemy CC or to go for the kill. Try the champion out before you jump the bandwagon, sad thing is I do not think anyone will, most will probably just sit back and complain, but hey you can't change the minds of plats, golds and silvers.
3 Tears3 votesJesus man, you need to take a 10th Grade English class on formatting an essay. This is just a GIGANTIC wall of text that is straining and frustrating to read. Not that you are wrong, but no one is going to read this crap. Which nullifies your whole point.
SlyCreed2 votesI got it out of my system, thats all I care about. Also when writing it the formatting was actually correct, once I hit post it became a wall of text, too lazy to fix.
The Trent3 votesPeople do talk about it. Non-stop. Why are you acting like you're the first person to talk about a champion that is widely disliked? Might as well make the same title with Akali in it lmaooo.
Śhunpo2 votesWhy do we not talk about how ridiculous mages are?
Same reason we aren't talking about Rengar, you'll get downvoted by the people who abuse them.
PrinceOfStorms1 votesMages generally require that you actually land skillshots to delete people. That's why they're allowed to have the kits that they do.
Śhunpo1 votesAssassins generally have skillshots (now) too, so that argument is invalid.
PrinceOfStorms1 votesSure but assassins like Rengar don't need to land them to delete you. They help but they generally aren't really required. And generally assassins have gapclosers that let them shoot their skillshots point blank where it's impossible to miss.
Śhunpo2 votesYou can still flash out of their combos (or use your dedicated escape button) so it's not like all counterplay is lacking in that area. But I do get you. I suppose it's a lot more healthy when a rogue skillshot from a mage hits you and does almost 1/2 your HP.
FKRangedTops2 votesLanding e on rengar's burst combo 90% of the time is the difference between the target having time to flash or not btw
PlsBuffMyMain2 votesRengar doesn't actually have a lot of survivability once he dives in, he has a heal, and the cc cleanse is on his empowered W, which unless he's fed he'll need empowered Q to kill you. Rengar top is quite cheesy and oppressive I agree. In order to counter him, you can buy healing reduction or freeze the wave away from the bushes, after which he's fairly useless.
I don't want to bring the whataboutism argument, but if you want to look at a diver with high healing, untargetability and aoe cc, might I introduce you to my friend Rhaast?