The reason people hate bruisers, fighters, juggernauts whatever you wanna call them.

overpoweredscrub··6 votes·5,935 views

I think the reason people hate them is because not only do they have enough damage to kill you, but they can survive a lot of the damage you dish out to them. Sure, everyone dies quick now since damage is so high, but if you ever play zed against irelia, you know how much harder it is to kill irelia instead of someone like lux, sona, nami, most adcs.

I just had a game where i was playing zed, i was extremely fed having 6+ kills and killing 3 unique champions on the enemy team. But when i go gank top lane, irelia is 0/2 but is still capable of killing me if i don't respect her. I can chunk her for about 1/4th of her health with an electrocute proc if i land a w, e, and double shurikens. If she jumps on me, she can drop me from 100 percent to 30 percent in 1 combo even though she is 0/2 and I'm extremely fed with more than 40 cs ahead of her. I keep trying to poke her down but sona roamed top and started healing her making her even harder to kill because she was getting heal from sona and her built in sustain. I have to also worry about sona's stun because if she stuns me im basically dead. We did end up winning but it was not easy dealing with irelia despite me having been fed and her being behind. This I feel like is the reason people hate bruisers, fighters, juggernauts or whatever you want to call them. The fact that they can be behind but still be hard to kill in a 1v1 scenario but dish a ton of damage to you if you are squishy.

It has nothing to do with skill when it comes to the amount of damage you take. The same very combo i did that requires me to land all my skillshots on irelia would melt sona from 100 percent to 20 percent easily. I can easily do that much on their jinx or mf free. But the same amount of skill in landing skill shots onto the irelia it only does about 1/4 of her hp and then after that if she is close, she can jump on me and beat me up while im on cooldown. 1 single stun or snare and im dead. I'm fed, she is behind and still capable of doing that meanwhile a fed jinx would be helpless against zed 1v1. I really don't see the balance if a 0/2 irelia > 6/1 jinx when it comes to fighting zed. I get it, jinx isn't a duelist. Well how bout this? 0/2 irelia > 6/1 lux. Cuz i can easily chunk lux down hard compared to irelia and lux actually has to land skill shots to deal damage while respecting my damage as zed.

And before anyone comes here telling me im just crying and complaining cuz i got my ass beat by irelia, remember i won that game and only died once that game so im not complaining cuz i got beat when clearly i won that.

64 Comments

Keiaga4 votes

If you're going to make a long, ranting post about something, you should at least know the first thing you're talking about.

bruisers and juggernauts are different things.

overpoweredscrub2 votes

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If you're going to make a long, ranting post about something, you should at least know the first thing you're talking about.

bruisers and juggernauts are different things.

They both do have similarities don't they? Being both tanky ish and having medium to high damage?

MarshallpKqTc4 votes

They're basically the same thing, ppl like to pretend they aren't but cmon... stop it, its the same thing

Keiaga3 votes

Willful ignorance won't help you get better at this game.

Juggernaut is a tank that trades CC for damage. Immobile, hard to kill.Garen DariusNasus

A bruiser is more mobile and has more damage, but are less sturdy. Jax Renekton Riven

But don't mistake them as assassins who are glass cannons and the most mobile. Talon Zed MasterYi

overpoweredscrub1 votes

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Willful ignorance won't help you get better at this game.

Juggernaut is a tank that trades CC for damage. Immobile, hard to kill.Garen DariusNasus

A bruiser is more mobile and has more damage, but are less sturdy. Jax Renekton Riven

But don't mistake them as assassins who are glass cannons and the most mobile. Talon Zed MasterYi

regardless, juggernauts, bruisers, fighters have something similar despite their slight differences. They are medium to high damage, and medium to high defense. A player will hate a renekton as much as they hate a nasus. They both are harder to kill and both deal pretty good damage.

Trying to argue that there is a big difference and that people dont hate a certain sub class is like saying oh you can't hate ashe cuz ashe isn't a adc, she is a control adc. big difference. But at the end of the day, she does the same thing most adcs do, ranged dps. If adcs are strong at the current meta, or people hate adcs at the current meta, it doesnt matter if they are control marksman, assassin marksman, jungler marksman, super saiyan marksman etc, people will still hate them because they are marksman.

So currently since a lot of people hate bruisers, that includes juggernauts, fighters as well because they do the same thing even if you wanna argue they are slightly different. The thing players hate is how they are hard to kill and deal medium to high damage.

DOUBLE TAPPED E1 votes

KAT IS THE MOST MOBILE AND GLASS CANNONY OF ALL ASSASSINS WHY WAS SHE NOT MENTIONED? WHY AM I SO BOTHERED BY THIS? WHAT TIME IS IT? WHERE AM I? WHO ARE YOU?

Keiaga1 votes

Keeping the them of AD champs for clarity.

MarshallpKqTc3 votes

Willful ignorance? stop. Already better then majority of this region, and knowing the "labels" of champs has nothing to do with being good at the game lol.

garen, nasus and darius all have cc and don't have trouble catching anything the moment they get rightouse glory. These labels are useless jugger and bruiser basically the same thing, don't have to make shit complicated for no reason.

The thigh guy2 votes

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Willful ignorance? stop. Already better then majority of this region, and knowing the "labels" of champs has nothing to do with being good at the game lol.

garen, nasus and darius all have cc and don't have trouble catching anything the moment they get rightouse glory. These labels are useless jugger and bruiser basically the same thing, don't have to make shit complicated for no reason.

But then they’d have to actually state facts and not just point to labels. (Which change ever 37.72 seconds)

Keiaga1 votes

Sure I guess it's possible to be good at something without the attention span to memorize simple names and titles.

The thigh guy7 votes

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If you're going to make a long, ranting post about something, you should at least know the first thing you're talking about.

bruisers and juggernauts are different things.

They do the EXACT same job. They are basically the same class. :/ this bs all you bruiser mains pull where “Oh, x champion isn’t a bruiser, he’s a tanky tank slaying assassin kiter!” To try and avoid the fact that BRUISERS are busted out their asses is getting old.

Keiaga2 votes

They do the same exact job like how adcs and mages do the same job.

The thigh guy2 votes

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They do the same exact job like how adcs and mages do the same job.

Oh yes. Adcs are definitely doing burst damage with abilities right?

Keiaga3 votes

Hur dur, just like how Juggernauts are bursting people down now

The thigh guy2 votes

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Hur dur, just like how Juggernauts are bursting people down now

I’ll use the weakest example to point out how much burst a juggernaut does now. Seeing as you like to ignore this.

Garen with a triforce (current rush) lv9 Q> 345 damage (344.6 Incase you want to be technical which we know you do) Triforce proc> 192 Ult> average 650.

1187 with only the undodgeable potions of his kit.

But yeah. Keep telling yourself juggernaughts aren’t bursting people.

Keiaga1 votes

Yes, if you build full lethality + triforce on anyone, they'll start to do assassin levels of damage.

If you build 6 defensive items on a champ, they'll start being tanky

The thigh guy2 votes

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Yes, if you build full lethality + triforce on anyone, they'll start to do assassin levels of damage.

If you build 6 defensive items on a champ, they'll start being tanky

Except this example (which is a pretty fuck tame one) is ONLY with a triforce.

Moody P1 votes

Several juggernauts have burst damage patterns. Garen, Volibear, Aatrox, Illaoi, Darius if he flashes on your carry after popping his passive.

They have a few examples of champs who have damage confined to short windows of assassination potential.

The thigh guy2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-14T02:06:56.418+0000)

Several juggernauts have burst damage patterns. Garen, Volibear, Aatrox, Illaoi, Darius if he flashes on your carry after popping his passive.

They have a few examples of champs who have damage confined to short windows of assassination potential.

This person says bruisers don’t have burst. And I was giving him the weakest example I could. (Fun fact, still pretty high for someone with one item)

Moody P1 votes

Garen isn't what I would consider the weakest example; he dumps all of his damage on you with two spells before ulting. Unless you're saying Garen is shit, then you're right.

Weaker example would probably be somebody like Yorick who has a lot of damage tied to summons

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T02:14:16.481+0000)

Garen isn't what I would consider the weakest example; he dumps all of his damage on you with two spells before ulting. Unless you're saying Garen is shit, then you're right.

Weaker example would probably be somebody like Yorick who has a lot of damage tied to summons

Garen is a weak example because he is weak. That’s why I used him.

Also Yorick’s burst isn’t that bad. Specifically when the maiden is on you and he gets that huge chunk on you with her % thing and grasp

Šeraρh2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T01:23:45.137+0000)

Oh yes. Adcs are definitely doing burst damage with abilities right?

Kaisa Kaisa Kaisa MissFortune Ezreal

overpoweredscrub1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-09-14T00:33:02.517+0000)

They do the EXACT same job. They are basically the same class. :/ this bs all you bruiser mains pull where “Oh, x champion isn’t a bruiser, he’s a tanky tank slaying assassin kiter!” To try and avoid the fact that BRUISERS are busted out their asses is getting old.

thank you, i always hear people saying no they are not x, they are y. Garen is not a tank or bruiser or fighter, he is a juggernaut. Completely different thing... yet to me, it's like they are the same. They deal medium to high damage, and are medium to highly tanky. It's literally the same thing imo. thanks for clarifying

Exin01 votes

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thank you, i always hear people saying no they are not x, they are y. Garen is not a tank or bruiser or fighter, he is a juggernaut. Completely different thing... yet to me, it's like they are the same. They deal medium to high damage, and are medium to highly tanky. It's literally the same thing imo. thanks for clarifying

beacause there is little to non difference, champions are melting together and nowday classes are burst and nonburst also nonexistent class "bruisesr" for which anyone make their own rules what they are and what they are suposed to do make it even more sketchy.

Zed genius4 votes

I mean zed is not even viable and irelia is overpowered. She can be 0/5/0, miss her stun and still 1v1 you when you are fed

Magnesium142 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-14T00:45:55.722+0000)

I mean zed is not even viable and irelia is overpowered. She can be 0/5/0, miss her stun and still 1v1 you when you are fed

zed is not viable, that's like me saying full tank maokai in SR is OP. if zed is not balanced he's OP.

Zed genius1 votes

I imagine he is quite broken in bronze, but when people play with their screens turned on he just doesn't work

Magnesium141 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-09-14T10:29:44.850+0000)

I imagine he is quite broken in bronze, but when people play with their screens turned on he just doesn't work

this isnt my main account no need to expose my main to toxicity, yeah zed's OP, high mobility, high burst and decent sustain damage, he is hard to use effectively but that doesn't justify making him OP.

Zed genius1 votes

I stand by what I said, if you play with your screen turned on against him , he doesnt do anything

Magnesium141 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=00020001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T21:02:11.949+0000)

I stand by what I said, if you play with your screen turned on against him , he doesnt do anything

okay buddy lets say you farming he does an easy w, then e and thats half ur health bar then w's again AA, ult, then throw a parting q then r proc again and ur dead probly 3 times over, thats an easy simple zed combo and even a tank with 250 armor is dead just throw in an ignite at the end, he's OP bro.

Zed genius1 votes

W E does 250 damage with 250 armor? I mean if you manage to fall behind 16 levels in lane I guess..

overpoweredscrub2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-14T00:45:55.722+0000)

I mean zed is not even viable and irelia is overpowered. She can be 0/5/0, miss her stun and still 1v1 you when you are fed

you know what? exactly. I've had this happen several occasions where an irelia can miss her stun, but im still sweating with a fast heart rate because she can still dash on me and kill me lol. Imagine if she landed stun, im basically dead. Thats why in my op, i said 1 stun and im dead as zed even though im fed and irelia is 0/2 lol.

NemeBro3 votes

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I think the reason people hate them is because not only do they have enough damage to kill you, but they can survive a lot of the damage you dish out to them. Sure, everyone dies quick now since damage is so high, but if you ever play zed against irelia, you know how much harder it is to kill irelia instead of someone like lux, sona, nami, most adcs.

I just had a game where i was playing zed, i was extremely fed having 6+ kills and killing 3 unique champions on the enemy team. But when i go gank top lane, irelia is 0/2 but is still capable of killing me if i don't respect her. I can chunk her for about 1/4th of her health with an electrocute proc if i land a w, e, and double shurikens. If she jumps on me, she can drop me from 100 percent to 30 percent in 1 combo even though she is 0/2 and I'm extremely fed with more than 40 cs ahead of her. I keep trying to poke her down but sona roamed top and started healing her making her even harder to kill because she was getting heal from sona and her built in sustain. I have to also worry about sona's stun because if she stuns me im basically dead. We did end up winning but it was not easy dealing with irelia despite me having been fed and her being behind. This I feel like is the reason people hate bruisers, fighters, juggernauts or whatever you want to call them. The fact that they can be behind but still be hard to kill in a 1v1 scenario but dish a ton of damage to you if you are squishy.

It has nothing to do with skill when it comes to the amount of damage you take. The same very combo i did that requires me to land all my skillshots on irelia would melt sona from 100 percent to 20 percent easily. I can easily do that much on their jinx or mf free. But the same amount of skill in landing skill shots onto the irelia it only does about 1/4 of her hp and then after that if she is close, she can jump on me and beat me up while im on cooldown. 1 single stun or snare and im dead. I'm fed, she is behind and still capable of doing that meanwhile a fed jinx would be helpless against zed 1v1. I really don't see the balance if a 0/2 irelia > 6/1 jinx when it comes to fighting zed. I get it, jinx isn't a duelist. Well how bout this? 0/2 irelia > 6/1 lux. Cuz i can easily chunk lux down hard compared to irelia and lux actually has to land skill shots to deal damage while respecting my damage as zed.

And before anyone comes here telling me im just crying and complaining cuz i got my ass beat by irelia, remember i won that game and only died once that game so im not complaining cuz i got beat when clearly i won that.

Wow, assassins have trouble fighting fighters, what an insightful post.

Jesi Oni2 votes

When they have bulky in their kit but build full damage with a little bit of hp but mage that have a lot of hp items get one-shotted anyway 🤣

overpoweredscrub1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-09-14T04:35:30.470+0000)

When they have bulky in their kit but build full damage with a little bit of hp but mage that have a lot of hp items get one-shotted anyway 🤣

lol yea it feels like that sometimes

Asiaomo OG2 votes

Imagine hard winning Jax in top he's so behind in CS Xp Gold everything and suddenly he buys one item and of course its Trinity Force you cant kill the guy anymore no matter how behind he is and how feed you are i know what you are talking about here in this post and i can relate to it because its so annoying trying so hard to kill and win and making a champions like Jax so behind and after a few mints he basically can go 1 v 5 even when he's so behind the game doesn't make any sense.

overpoweredscrub1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Asiaomo OG,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-09-14T10:34:11.688+0000)

Imagine hard winning Jax in top he's so behind in CS Xp Gold everything and suddenly he buys one item and of course its Trinity Force you cant kill the guy anymore no matter how behind he is and how feed you are i know what you are talking about here in this post and i can relate to it because its so annoying trying so hard to kill and win and making a champions like Jax so behind and after a few mints he basically can go 1 v 5 even when he's so behind the game doesn't make any sense.

yeah lol, i just had a game right now where darius inted all game but eventually became 19/15/12 at the end cuz his champ just started getting too tanky and killing off the enemy squishies so he came back into the game despite being 0/7 for a long point of the game

Love Anastasia1 votes

You can't be complaining about Irelia when you are playing ZED

overpoweredscrub1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lan Fan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-14T00:26:50.385+0000)

You can't be complaining about Irelia when you are playing ZED

I'm just saying that's the reason why people hate them lol. This is the funniest response because it shows how much empty info you are actually providing in your response. Here is a youtube video you can watch to show what i mean about when people use the you can't complain about x because you play y. https://youtu.be/w7fWEiQfqs8

only luciano1 votes

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I'm just saying that's the reason why people hate them lol. This is the funniest response because it shows how much empty info you are actually providing in your response. Here is a youtube video you can watch to show what i mean about when people use the you can't complain about x because you play y. https://youtu.be/w7fWEiQfqs8

I liked Exil but I don't agree with him sometimes. He was saying that Kai'sa has one of the most overloaded kit in the game but thinks Pyke and Yasuo are ok. A Fed Kai'sa will melt late game just like a fed Draven Jinx Vayne KogMaw Twitch . That's the point of a marksmen.

overpoweredscrub1 votes

[{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T03:38:14.030+0000)

I liked Exil but I don't agree with him sometimes. He was saying that Kai'sa has one of the most overloaded kit in the game but thinks Pyke and Yasuo are ok. A Fed Kai'sa will melt late game just like a fed Draven Jinx Vayne KogMaw Twitch . That's the point of a marksmen.

I dont think you even pay attention. The whole point of the video is not just the amount of damage kaisa does, but the fact that she can build anything and scale well and counter other things better than any other adc is what makes her strong. So not only does she do high damage, but can counter more things without sacrificing damage unlike other adcs. you cant build hourglass on most adcs without sacrificing a lot of damage, but kaisa scales with it. But then her damage is also high.

Another thing is, just because pyke and yasuo are overloaded doesnt mean kaisa isnt. thats not even a good way to justify things. Look at gnar, he is stupidly overloaded when he came out. His kit has so much into it. To say gnar isn't overloaded because he isn't popular anymore or that yasuo is overloaded so gnar isn't would be dumb.

only luciano1 votes

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I dont think you even pay attention. The whole point of the video is not just the amount of damage kaisa does, but the fact that she can build anything and scale well and counter other things better than any other adc is what makes her strong. So not only does she do high damage, but can counter more things without sacrificing damage unlike other adcs. you cant build hourglass on most adcs without sacrificing a lot of damage, but kaisa scales with it. But then her damage is also high.

Another thing is, just because pyke and yasuo are overloaded doesnt mean kaisa isnt. thats not even a good way to justify things. Look at gnar, he is stupidly overloaded when he came out. His kit has so much into it. To say gnar isn't overloaded because he isn't popular anymore or that yasuo is overloaded so gnar isn't would be dumb.

Things is that that she is a late game carry and needs time to get to that point. If you haven't ended the game by then that's your fault. Also her early game is bad . If your adc didn't bully her out then be prepared to pay the consequences. Just like how you pay it with Twitch Vayne Yasuo Jinx MasterYi Nasus Veigar

overpoweredscrub1 votes

[{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-14T17:20:41.053+0000)

Things is that that she is a late game carry and needs time to get to that point. If you haven't ended the game by then that's your fault. Also her early game is bad . If your adc didn't bully her out then be prepared to pay the consequences. Just like how you pay it with Twitch Vayne Yasuo Jinx MasterYi Nasus Veigar

hah it's funny how general your response is. I've had many games where I am strong early as nasus around the 10 minute mark. Not even late game like 20-30 minutes. And news flash, you can't end the game in 10 minutes.

only luciano1 votes

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hah it's funny how general your response is. I've had many games where I am strong early as nasus around the 10 minute mark. Not even late game like 20-30 minutes. And news flash, you can't end the game in 10 minutes.

Can you be more elaborate with your response? Are you saying that a nasus at 10 min is as strong as Kai sa? And how is my statement general? I compared her to other hyper carries, I think it's just because she's the new hyper carry she's not allowed to join the club.

overpoweredscrub1 votes

[{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0001000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T20:09:10.624+0000)

Can you be more elaborate with your response? Are you saying that a nasus at 10 min is as strong as Kai sa? And how is my statement general? I compared her to other hyper carries, I think it's just because she's the new hyper carry she's not allowed to join the club.

im saying he can be. Keyword "he can be". I play in low elo and im always getting fed most of the time so as nasus i am super strong at 10 minutes. The point i was saying is you all say nasus is weak but he isnt as weak as you think in low elo. Maybe in ranked but not in normal games.

only luciano1 votes

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im saying he can be. Keyword "he can be". I play in low elo and im always getting fed most of the time so as nasus i am super strong at 10 minutes. The point i was saying is you all say nasus is weak but he isnt as weak as you think in low elo. Maybe in ranked but not in normal games.

Oh I see. That is true but it can be true for any other champ in general who gets fed early like Vlad or Kass

overpoweredscrub1 votes

[{quoted}](name=only luciano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=000100000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T21:54:46.064+0000)

Oh I see. That is true but it can be true for any other champ in general who gets fed early like Vlad or Kass

yeah the reason i don't like it is that it's very misleading. A lot of people will say jax and nasus are weak early, which is somewhat true, but in low elo there's more factors involved that you can't just think, oh hey nasus and jax, they are weak early so time to just play full stupid aggressive to them cuz they can't do anything back to you. Usually when people disrespect a nasus or jax early because they know those champs are not as great early, they end up making big mistakes that make the jax and nasus just snowball and get strong a lot earlier than expected.

A lot of rant below so skip if you don't wanna read.

It's like when you think, oh hey, I'm teemo and jax is weak early. Teemo goes full ham auto attacking jax, jax uses e, w, q and bam teemo loses 1/3 to 1/2 of his health. If he doesn't try to kite and put distance between him and jax, the jax just ignites and kills him before teemo could deal enough damage to kill him. This is around like level 3-4. I definitely see teemo with advantage and being an annoyance, but you still got to respect jax. You can't just think, oh he is weak early i can disrespect him free.

Of course it's a whole different story when it comes to rank in the case that people actually know a bit more, actually play respectful most of the time, play efficiently then yes jax and nasus being weak early is true. But it is just misleading when people say that because all they need is a few levels and a few items before they get going. They just have to play safe until then and if someone messes up, then all the quicker they reach their power spike.

Another example is yi and akali. People in higher ranks always say yi and akali are not broken. But in low elo normal games where people tend to feed often and don't have team coordination or good mechanics on locking down yi or akali, it's like yi and akali basically are broken. Because if your team is just a bunch of new/casuals, it's a lot easier to play yi and carry than trying to play like people do in ranked but not understanding the reasons why people do what.

If you don't know what I mean by this, it's like having a jungler. I know that a jungler is good yes, but only if the jungler actually knows what they are doing. The same with support. If people just play supports because they think "they have to have a support" on their team because it's some sort of rule without understanding the reasons why a support is needed then it's kind of pointless. It would be like a support who plays support just because they think they have to, but they push waves when your adc wants to freeze, and they take cs, don't ward, don't peel. I'm not trying to blame but if they want to do that, they might as well just play zed bot where your goal is more about killing rather than actually supporting. Or junglers who just wanna farm jungle all game, they might as well go play some bot games because their team won't need them to help vs bots.

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