Here's an idea: instead of nerfing Soraka Top give people reason to NOT play Soraka Top

Zero Skill Tank·2/3/2020, 4:42:10 PM·115 votes·48,876 views

Soraka isn't viable top because she is somehow busted overpowered.

Soraka is viable top because if you get camped for 15 minutes you are still useful for your team, and also because bruisers are so overnerfed that they literally can't deal with anything ranged, despite buffs to .

Same applies to Sona.

Instead of overnerfing Soraka, please treat her viability correctly: as a symptom of how bad the state and impact of toplane really are.

I know that are buffs for top planed soon, but please just notice how hard toplane hit rock bottom when actual toplaners are unable to compete not only with mages, not only with ADCs but even with enchanters.

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Troll Slaiyer2/3/2020, 5:49:29 PM6 votes

riot : I think i know what you are getting at!

proceeds to create a ranged top laner that can global heal , slow, and silence. and has a dash they can use 5 times as the ult.

Illabethe2/3/2020, 4:55:39 PM6 votes

What are they nerfing? Atm as support she's a 51% champ at best, and the games she loses are polarized where she basically has no way out of dying.

(Just had a Miss Fortune/Jayce game where I literally couldn't outrun them even if I landed every E and Q, while they just punched right through my item 3047 item 3143 item 3075 on a crit build.... They actually complained because they didn't kill me MORE, because about 1/2 the time I did manage to get away..... through flashes or bush cornering. Just imagine how scared my TEAM was to play when they could do that to me on that build; the adc Lucian did a whopping 5k damage in 36 minutes)

Then another game..... nub adcs literally lost lane to an Adc soraka..... that was fun. Must be a fad now.

GigglesO2/4/2020, 3:54:31 AM6 votes

We could always just bring back tanks.

Ash Lockheart2/3/2020, 8:45:09 PM5 votes

{quoted}

Soraka isn't viable top because she is somehow busted overpowered.

Soraka is viable top because if you get camped for 15 minutes you are still useful for your team, and also because bruisers are so overnerfed that they literally can't deal with anything ranged, despite buffs to .

Same applies to Sona.

Instead of overnerfing Soraka, please treat her viability correctly: as a symptom of how bad the state and impact of toplane really are.

I know that are buffs for top planed soon, but please just notice how hard toplane hit rock bottom when actual toplaners are unable to compete not only with mages, not only with ADCs but even with enchanters.

I agree. I remember the old days were it was tank vs tank, or fighter vs Fighter, but now its normally range vs Melee. Who ever can pick the range first wins the lane. Got to love Mages in this game and the state they are in.

You have to accept that they will not change or force the correct roles top. You have to play mages, or what ever very cheap Cheesy champion to win match's. Its not about skills anymore. So stop hurting your self by picking champions that you know are going to get dumped on. Pick the ones that cheese and cheap the lanes because the enemy team is going to do the same. [galio-happy]

Agent Corgi2/3/2020, 5:22:00 PM5 votes

Wouldn't Kled be the champion you would want in the event that they have Soraka Top?

Garson2112/3/2020, 10:07:14 PM5 votes

So even if they nerf Soraka Sona ppls still going to pick another support Karma Morgana Taric Rakan .

This is a top problem itself. This line just doesn't have any effect on the game unless you feed extremely much ... The Herald buff won't do anything unless it destroys the turret for one hit, but that's not a good idea A better solution would be to the Nerf Herald and swap Dragon and Herald places so that the dragon would be on top. But that could change top to lane full of mages or something that could totally dominate lines like Heimer ect. A winning bot could forcing herald and take more towers hp and in same time snowball and then for example support move to help do drake on top.

Hi Its Scirocco2/3/2020, 10:13:56 PM5 votes

They are too lazy, its so obvious, instead of fixing the issue with toplane or work on an update for it ... Why bother ? just nerf soraka and sona and probleme solved and everything back to being normal/useless. Not that riot give fuk about toplane ? Oh wait, player are final finding way to actualy fuking do something from toplane to impact the game ? lets gutted next patch ... as most of u known, its forbidden for toplane to have an impact

Stratixx2/4/2020, 5:28:32 AM4 votes

Here’s a joke.

Who’s another champion riot Nerfed to the ground who was once a support who had players abusing him top?

TahmKench

A very funny joke indeed

Vlada Cut2/3/2020, 8:42:22 PM4 votes

Apparently a nerf IS the reason not to play her

lul

Z3SIeeper2/4/2020, 3:37:32 AM3 votes

Thing is, Dorans Shield buff was massive, bruisers don't lose to ranged tops but they still don't win against ranged tops, that's the problem.

In a melee vs melee lane or a ranged vs range lane, there's always a clear winner. In melee vs ranged, usually either the melee goes even or the ranged wins it, very rarely does a melee "win" this because they simply can't engage and kill a ranged top laner in one go due to innately being melee and those ranged top laners typically having numerous safety nets (such as Kennen stun and 10s CD E that gives 100% MS for 2s).

So Dorans Shield helped melees not lose ranged matchups, but they still aren't winning them, that's the problem. Ranged safety in top lane needs to take a hit for melee tops to be able to actually win these matchups.

Soraka is a symptom of this. She's a ranged champion that can do far more than hold her own in a solo lane, either winning or simply not losing.

I have absolutely no idea what the solution here is, whether there's a blanket solution or if all ranged tops need to be readjusted individually to be more risk/reward, but something needs to happen.

Another big fucking problem is minion aggro. For whatever reason, minions hate melee champions. They will randomly aggro melee champs for no good reason and that damage adds up. On the other hand, they don't give two shits about ranged champions and will often not aggro them at all.

Bijeesny2/3/2020, 5:39:33 PM3 votes

because bruisers are so overnerfed that they literally can't deal with anything ranged, despite buffs to .

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It is at an end2/4/2020, 4:37:05 PM2 votes

Players: RIOT GIVE TOP MORE IMPACT WE CAN'T DEAL WITH SORAKA ADCs: can't say a word because he's dead

ShadWooo2/3/2020, 8:15:31 PM2 votes

{quoted} because bruisers are so overnerfed that they literally can't deal with anything ranged, despite buffs to .

I don't know how well are bruisers doing against other classes in top, but they absolutely destroy Soraka if played properly. Hell even if you feed her, you will still be able to kill her when you get your item 3078 or item 3071 .

Soraka can't win against AD fighters/bruisers at all. There is no itemization which would allow her to survive 1v1 against Jax, Irelia, Camille, Renekton, Fiora, new Pantheon (she was countering old one, but not anymore), Yasuo.