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Why the balance team never learn from their mistake ? Legit look at Daruis, Brand, Aatrox, Kai, etc

ValiantKiller··41 votes·12,604 views

They always do the same mistake over, over and over without learning damn thing from it. Brand We did feel he was kinda weak after runes reforge , give him buff and now he running around busting everyone cause they never give people time to adapt to new runes.

Darius Same mistake they done with Brand and then give him buff when they was planning to release Conquer , look at him now banned the most while abusing item 3078 cause item 3071 sucks same goes for Garen .

Aatrox Kaisa Ornn everything that is reworked or just release get massive buff after few days of release cause some people cry on forum and then just leave them in their power status for while or over nerf them.

Legit, balance team is suppose to work with something called iterative diagram that is legit the ABC of programming and designing , yet they didn't learn a damn thing ?

I honestly can't wait for Akali .

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Infact mark my words with next few patchs Jinx and Twitch will be the new cancer of this meta. They keep overbuffing both of them badly over and over. Caitlyn and Tristana didn't even get suchs buffs, not to mention decrease item cost for crit items.

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Javi Is Here39 votes

For Brand 2% is weak 4% is OP Why not 3%? [zombie-brand-mindblown]

ValiantKiller2 votes

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For Brand 2% is weak 4% is OP Why not 3%? [zombie-brand-mindblown]

I know right ? xD Either double it or half it, like why?

onionsan012 votes

[{quoted}](name=Javi Is Here,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E4GOunEG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-22T01:42:50.836+0000)

For Brand 2% is weak 4% is OP Why not 3%? [zombie-brand-mindblown]

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/it/c/gameplay-balance/XYf1I911-brand-should-have-its-base-damage-nerfed-and-its-scalings-buffed

iamsmurfing01014 votes

i almost never die to hist DoT from passive , its his burst damage with percent health explosion that kills me and my entire team.

DlXON1 votes

VELCOZ: Q 60% ap ratio to 65%? 70%? 75%? No make IT 80% BECAUSE WHY NOT. Can't wait this to be a staple in mid lane for pro play. Already seen good play in LCK before buff, just wait. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

CppL1 votes

Cause that would make sense.And you know riot doesnt like that.

ReySolomon11 votes

Darius only has a 48% WR after steraks getting nerfed and he needed that buff he was actually struggling before the new runes came out.

Other than that it's pretty accurate.

ValiantKiller8 votes

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Darius only has a 48% WR after steraks getting nerfed and he needed that buff he was actually struggling before the new runes came out.

Other than that it's pretty accurate.

if he struggling then Urgot is choking, look at the winrate of that to his pick rate while urgot see no pick rate compared to daruis.

ReySolomon1 votes

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if he struggling then Urgot is choking, look at the winrate of that to his pick rate while urgot see no pick rate compared to daruis.

I said he ''Was'' Struggling before the buff now he's fine but he's not OP is my point.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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I said he ''Was'' Struggling before the buff now he's fine but he's not OP is my point.

I don't think he op special that fall hard late game, yet he doing better than most top laners

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Lane bully champion bullying people in lane.

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Bronze7Main8 votes

i cant even wait for akali. another piece of certainlyt (btw darius is too xd)

but balancingteam? what is that?

look that planned irelia nerf on 8.15 . kills her low to 40% or lower (congrats riot balance)

look that buff for adc. Nearly pointless for crit adc but lethality adc still get a huge buff with that . i cant wait for Miss fortune after 8.15 .

wukong garen talon etc still a pure form of cancer and still not nerfed after 90000 patches of unbalance as fck. Getting oneshotted from wu as fulltank is rly fine and shows the state of League 2k18. Isnt a real wonder that queuetimes raise up so hard.

hhaavviikk6 votes

how is darius ''abusing'' triforce though? for years I went triforce on darius because it works great on W, how is that abusing it?

ValiantKiller1 votes

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how is darius ''abusing'' triforce though? for years I went triforce on darius because it works great on W, how is that abusing it?

Cause right now he doesn't need to build black cleaver to make damage on semi tanky champions, just like garen. Cause all of that buffs.

hhaavviikk2 votes

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Cause right now he doesn't need to build black cleaver to make damage on semi tanky champions, just like garen. Cause all of that buffs.

wouldn't that moreso be because of his passive? due to his stacking bleed damage and his passive when he reaches full stacks giving him 30-230 damage(based on level) he can deal allot of damage to anyone really, the armor pen on E is also a ncie bonus

ValiantKiller1 votes

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wouldn't that moreso be because of his passive? due to his stacking bleed damage and his passive when he reaches full stacks giving him 30-230 damage(based on level) he can deal allot of damage to anyone really, the armor pen on E is also a ncie bonus

Do i need to remind you that he got a buff with armor pen numbers last time ? maybe that why he moved to trinity force cause black cleaver is useless for him now?

Thefrostyviking1 votes

The reason Darius ditches cleaver is...well actually partially because of the E buff, but its mainly 2 other things.

First up, tanks are pretty much gone, which outright removes the need to grab a cleaver unlike before where you´d often run into teams having at least 2 of them.

Second is conqueror, even if you now run into just 1 tanks and a beefy melee you can with conqueror and high damage triforce build often just smash through them, you dont need to reduce their armor so that your marksman can finish them.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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The reason Darius ditches cleaver is...well actually partially because of the E buff, but its mainly 2 other things.

First up, tanks are pretty much gone, which outright removes the need to grab a cleaver unlike before where you´d often run into teams having at least 2 of them.

Second is conqueror, even if you now run into just 1 tanks and a beefy melee you can with conqueror and high damage triforce build often just smash through them, you dont need to reduce their armor so that your marksman can finish them.

Yet I see people play with phase rush and hail of blades even more than conquer on him xD

But yah i understand what you talking about.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

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Yet I see people play with phase rush and hail of blades even more than conquer on him xD

But yah i understand what you talking about.

Phase rush is a straight up gamble because if the opponent took grasp or conqueror, you lost.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Phase rush is a straight up gamble because if the opponent took grasp or conqueror, you lost.

I don't think it gamble against urgot lol

JavelinJoe5 votes

Remember when Kalista was good? Now she is banished to the shit box because she is too hard to "balance" correctly. Same for Azir and AurelionSol. They are too intricate to balance around, so they gave up and now they are sitting forever at the bottom of the win rate column. Sad thing is is that they were fun to play too.

ValiantKiller12 votes

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Remember when Kalista was good? Now she is banished to the shit box because she is too hard to "balance" correctly. Same for Azir and AurelionSol. They are too intricate to balance around, so they gave up and now they are sitting forever at the bottom of the win rate column. Sad thing is is that they were fun to play too.

Look at Urgot all of that cause they couldn't balance item 3053 with ranged champions, now he pay it dearly.

DragonShea11 votes

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Look at Urgot all of that cause they couldn't balance item 3053 with ranged champions, now he pay it dearly.

They couldn't just make Urgot "melee" so he can build item 3053

ValiantKiller9 votes

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They couldn't just make Urgot "melee" so he can build item 3053

I know that but they could give him exception over that item.

DragonShea1 votes

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I know that but they could give him exception over that item.

Potato, potahtoe. Either way we agree on the subject.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Potato, potahtoe. Either way we agree on the subject.

Yah yah

Envonyx1 votes

Aurelion Sol has a 55 percent win rate?

ninjaroxas1 votes

Cause he has a very small Play rate, I haven't seen him in one of my games for months and even then last time it was in an aram game

Envonyx1 votes

His statement was that sol is "sitting at the bottom of the win rate column". Im just replying to show that is false

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Cause they won't get rid of Kali's damn passive.

Daddy Ants5 votes

Ok so

LolWiki says "Attack damage has a theoretical gold value of 35 per point."

LolWiki also states 1% Critical Strike chance is worth 40 gold.

item 3072 item 3139 are losing 525 gold worth of AD for a 200 gold decrease. item 3094 item 3087 item 3046 item 3085 are losing 200 gold worth of crit chance for a 100g decrease.

OMG OMG OMG ADC ITEMS ARE BROKEN!1111

Yeah..... they sure are

/s

Boards were like "ADC's need to be impactful earlier at the cost of some late game strength !!!"

Riot does that....

OMG ADC ITEMS BROKEN!111

Crescent Dusk2 votes

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Ok so

LolWiki says "Attack damage has a theoretical gold value of 35 per point."

LolWiki also states 1% Critical Strike chance is worth 40 gold.

item 3072 item 3139 are losing 525 gold worth of AD for a 200 gold decrease. item 3094 item 3087 item 3046 item 3085 are losing 200 gold worth of crit chance for a 100g decrease.

OMG OMG OMG ADC ITEMS ARE BROKEN!1111

Yeah..... they sure are

/s

Boards were like "ADC's need to be impactful earlier at the cost of some late game strength !!!"

Riot does that....

OMG ADC ITEMS BROKEN!111

ADC items broken on assassins and bruisers, not ADC's.

Lifesteal and armor pen should have different values for ranged ADC's and assassins/bruisers.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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ADC items broken on assassins and bruisers, not ADC's.

Lifesteal and armor pen should have different values for ranged ADC's and assassins/bruisers.

item 3035 - unchanged item 3036 - 35% Armor Pen for ranged. 30% for melee. item 3033 - 25% armor pen for Ranged. 20% for melee.

Crescent Dusk2 votes

Should be way bigger difference to account for the fragility and lesser mobility of ADC's. More like half value for melee.

Slythion1 votes

I just wanna point out if they added 300 gold worth of ap stats on these adc items then you're argument would appear to be even better, yet obviously be very pointless. It's important to consider where that gold value is going after you state the gold values.

Nausicäa 4 votes

What are you talking about? They didnt make a mistake with Darius andGaren how else are they going to milk the sales of their 2 new legendary skins?

ValiantKiller4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nausicäa ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E4GOunEG,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-07-22T04:43:59.230+0000)

What are you talking about? They didnt make a mistake with Darius andGaren how else are they going to milk the sales of their 2 new legendary skins?

lol

ZephyrDrake3 votes

Maybe cuz the community instantly starts whining when everything isn't perfectly balanced upon release? I remember threads saying "don't buff pyke give people time to adapt" before he was released and the instant he got released? A whole bunch of "buff pyke he is worthless" type of threads started showing with no sign of "just give people time to adapt!" Threads appearing.

Nothing is going to be perfectly balanced from the get go. Yet that is exactly what the community wants regardless of how simple or complex something is

ValiantKiller2 votes

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Maybe cuz the community instantly starts whining when everything isn't perfectly balanced upon release? I remember threads saying "don't buff pyke give people time to adapt" before he was released and the instant he got released? A whole bunch of "buff pyke he is worthless" type of threads started showing with no sign of "just give people time to adapt!" Threads appearing.

Nothing is going to be perfectly balanced from the get go. Yet that is exactly what the community wants regardless of how simple or complex something is

I know but still part of the problem that balance doesn't learn from their mistake of listing to the damn community and do what they want before giving it a damn time to adapt .

TheDevice2 votes

Its not even that the champs aren't balanced, its that the community becomes frustrated that they're not automatically masters of the champion on release/update. So they complain on forums.

HavinABadTiem2 votes

Kindred

ValiantKiller2 votes

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Kindred

She one the champions that you will never understand what they want from her.

Luxana Crowngard1 votes

I like Kindred the way she is right now. She can be played both in Bot and Jungle and actually find success :(

Vlada Cut2 votes

Was sucessful in my matches with Aatrox and Kaisa when they were released in luce servers. For Kai'Sa I had a quadra and only had item 3006 and item 3046 while for Aatrox I was doing fine before the buffs. If the majority can't play a champion fir the first time, then they shouldn't cry out for buffs.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Was sucessful in my matches with Aatrox and Kaisa when they were released in luce servers. For Kai'Sa I had a quadra and only had item 3006 and item 3046 while for Aatrox I was doing fine before the buffs. If the majority can't play a champion fir the first time, then they shouldn't cry out for buffs.

I honestly said it before they give him buffs , i said aatrox rework is successful and doesn't need to be touched for now then all of sudden a wild hotfix buff showed up in patchs notes for no damn reason. Like God people, learn. Or as damn Khazix ADAPT

Vlada Cut1 votes

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I honestly said it before they give him buffs , i said aatrox rework is successful and doesn't need to be touched for now then all of sudden a wild hotfix buff showed up in patchs notes for no damn reason. Like God people, learn. Or as damn Khazix ADAPT

Meanwhile Irelia had an immedaete hotfix nerf on her release. XD

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Meanwhile Irelia had an immedaete hotfix nerf on her release. XD

And then buff then nerf then bufff then nerf, etc Cycle of team balance listing to people over giving them a damn month to work things out.

Daddy Ants1 votes

2800 per zeal item.

So underpriced.

XD XD XD

ValiantKiller1 votes

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2800 per zeal item.

So underpriced.

XD XD XD

For a champion that able to kill any type of champions in game late game and able to secure penta is wanted, yes it very under priced

Daddy Ants2 votes

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For a champion that able to kill any type of champions in game late game and able to secure penta is wanted, yes it very under priced

"late game" in 2018.

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