Bruisers...I mean, basically tanks...I mean, damage carries....

DarkinPrime·Oct 22, 2018·7 votes·3,581 views

Getting really sick of these kinds of champions. Old weak Aatrox was "unhealthy for the game", but apparently champions who are stupid tanky, often have good mobility due to CC and items that work well with them, often massive CC and massive damage, are just fine. OH, and some of them often do true damage to boot. Nice.

In fact, I see these champions frequently carrying and having more kills than adcs, or straight AD champions or assassins or mages.

No one has yet convinced me that champions like these don't do too much too well. Fucking Darius...I don't give a good god damn if hes not played in worlds or whatever....he bursts people down with TRUE damage while being SO FUCKING TANKY. Its a joke. What his weakness? Kiting? Please. Team fights happen. Things don't exist in a vacuum. The other team also has CC.

Super annoyed that these champions exist. Hate em, convince me otherwise.

77 Comments

ModKnightsKemplarOct 22, 201811 votes

I can't convince you not to hate them.

If they were truly head and shoulders above the rest, though, high tier players would figure out how to abuse them in every lane. When a champ is broken, people abuse it. Sometimes it takes them a little while to figure out how to do that, I'll give you that.

But none of the champs you highlighted are rated in the top tier on lolalytics. They are quite beatable. So they obviously have some weakness that other players are able to exploit. Otherwise, the stats would show how broken they were.

The only one I think you can make a decent argument for being broken atm is Sion, and that's because of his stupid "feeder Sion" strat. Which, I might add, isn't even his most successful build rn. So, yes, they all have weaknesses.

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20182 votes

beatable at high elo. So what? So fuck the rest of us. And in teams where coordination can take them down vs solo que. Whatever dude.

ModKnightsKemplarOct 23, 20185 votes

Now, I'm usually on the "balance around low elo, too" train. But in this case, specifically, the data works against you.

In bronze, the champs you mentioned are not ranked well. Urgot isn't top or second tier, but third tier. And the rest are lower than that. Source. So they aren't OP at low elo, either. That isn't the issue.

I highly recommend taking a look at their pages and figuring out what they are strong against; that may give you some insight into why you hate them. That's usually the case when I have hated champs in the past. I hated Fizz because he could dodge old Swain's torment, effectively making me useless against him. I hated Leblanc because she could dash in and hit me before I could trade back, and old Swain didn't have the tools to deal with that. And so on.

Just because those champions counter your preferred strategy doesn't mean they are OP. That means that you will have to ban them, be comfortable losing to them, or change your strategy. That's part of League. It's a feature, not a bug. Counters exist.

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20182 votes

I fucking swear. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY PREFERRED STRATEGY. Every one of you people on the boards try to reduce the argument by trying to make it about ME or during laning phase, in some weird vacuum argument. Its about what I see as whole, and how those champions, interact with the entire team and how they effect the entire match.

Almost all of you people on the boards do this. You try to focus the debate around the person posting the topic, and assume its because they are frustrated that such and such champ counters their playstyle.

I refuse to respond to any point you made because I am tired of everyone on the boards failing to know how to properly debate and argue.

ModKnightsKemplarOct 23, 20184 votes

I refuse to respond to any point you made

Fine by me. Just know that all the people saying those things are trying to help you, not put you down :) Everyone has issues with League, and there's usually a good explanation for it.

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20182 votes

Great, did I ASK FOR FUCKING HELP? NO

Why the FUCK would people give unsolicited advice?

I am questioning whether or not champions like the ones I am talking about are fair or even good for the game.

DarukongSrOct 24, 20182 votes

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Great, did I ASK FOR FUCKING HELP? NO

Why the FUCK would people give unsolicited advice?

I am questioning whether or not champions like the ones I am talking about are fair or even good for the game.

Aatrox, both old and new are terrible for this game homie. See, your stupid argument can go both ways.

True GarenOct 27, 20184 votes

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I fucking swear. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY PREFERRED STRATEGY. Every one of you people on the boards try to reduce the argument by trying to make it about ME or during laning phase, in some weird vacuum argument. Its about what I see as whole, and how those champions, interact with the entire team and how they effect the entire match.

Almost all of you people on the boards do this. You try to focus the debate around the person posting the topic, and assume its because they are frustrated that such and such champ counters their playstyle.

I refuse to respond to any point you made because I am tired of everyone on the boards failing to know how to properly debate and argue.

But laning phase is where Darius can be oppressive to certain champions. He's an "early game lane bully". He's generally much less effective in team fights, unless ahead. If you weren't complaining about laning phase, then your point is even more difficult to credit.

True GarenOct 27, 20184 votes

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I fucking swear. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY PREFERRED STRATEGY. Every one of you people on the boards try to reduce the argument by trying to make it about ME or during laning phase, in some weird vacuum argument. Its about what I see as whole, and how those champions, interact with the entire team and how they effect the entire match.

Almost all of you people on the boards do this. You try to focus the debate around the person posting the topic, and assume its because they are frustrated that such and such champ counters their playstyle.

I refuse to respond to any point you made because I am tired of everyone on the boards failing to know how to properly debate and argue.

So, I see that you were working with Olaf for a while, recently. I'd suggest, maybe continue with that. In some ways, he's kind of similar to Garen, but he's not somebody that people in low mmr usually have a lot of practice fighting against.

AggressiveWolfOct 22, 20185 votes

If you can't kite a Darius thats on you, the champion has literally on gap closers or move speed steroids while almost every single ADC these days does. A mage can turn around and one shot him or do atleast 3/4 of his hp bar. Assassins can kill the backline then proceed to dash away. If you are dying to a Darius as a non-tank at the start of the teamfight, you are bad, simple as that. Unless he is atleast 5/0 he is very easy to stop.

The rest of the champions you mentioned have counterplay. I think Urgot and Garen are too strong at the moment MAYBE Gnar if played very well. I don't know how the fuck Mundo is destroying your team in a meta of true dmg and 3 ignites. Yorick got nerfed into the ground.

DarkinPrimeOct 22, 20182 votes

"If you can't kite a Darius thats on you, the champion has literally on gap closers or move speed steroids " item 3071 {{summoner:51}}

Yeah okay buddy. Also, again, like every one else, you try to explain away these champions by painting these ridiculous scenarios as if the entire game is just laning with no ganks or team fights.

The other team has CC too you know, so things dont always work out the way you want to imagine them to.

The fact that a champion has counter play literally has NOTHING TO DO with if they are too strong or not in general. Counterplay is great...untill its 5v5 with CC and damage flying everywhere....and then what?

AggressiveWolfOct 22, 20183 votes

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"If you can't kite a Darius thats on you, the champion has literally on gap closers or move speed steroids " {{summoner:51}}

Yeah okay buddy. Also, again, like every one else, you try to explain away these champions by painting these ridiculous scenarios as if the entire game is just laning with no ganks or team fights.

The other team has CC too you know, so things dont always work out the way you want to imagine them to.

The fact that a champion has counter play literally has NOTHING TO DO with if they are too strong or not in general. Counterplay is great...untill its 5v5 with CC and damage flying everywhere....and then what?

He has to get to you to use cleaver and without a kill the move speed it gives is 20. Ghost has a 180 second cooldown. Also who the fuck build cleaver on Darius

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20182 votes

Beg to differ. Are you drawing in real experiences trying to explain with numbers based on certain elos and other players opinions. Sounds like you are.

AggressiveWolfOct 23, 20182 votes

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Beg to differ. Are you drawing in real experiences trying to explain with numbers based on certain elos and other players opinions. Sounds like you are.

Currently, I am a Darius otp. I have 4 accounts ranging from D2 to D5. I used juggernauts and tanks to climb on each account. However, before that I used to main fighters and assassins, things such as Yasuo, Wukong etc. I know both sides of the spectrum, being the Darius and being against him and let me tell you he is easily kited. The fact about juggernauts in general is they are something you have to play around, to consider and to change your strategy when fighting against when, primarily to kite them unless you are fed enough to roll over them. Most people just don't want to think that hard to change their strategy, so they come to the boards and complain to Riot to gut these champions into the ground.

Anyway, as I have experienced every elo (from silver to masters), I can tell you that (obviously) lower elos have a harder time dealing with these champions, that can be statistically proven by (for example) Darius and Garens ban rate. While higher elos have an easier time playing around them, much easier infact. This is normal, some champions are pub stompers while others work the same in all elos. Not much you can do about that.

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20182 votes

"Currently, I am a Darius otp. I have 4 accounts ranging from D2 to D5. I used juggernauts and tanks to climb on each account. However, before that I used to main fighters and assassins, things such as Yasuo, Wukong etc. I know both sides of the spectrum, being the Darius and being against him and let me tell you he is easily kited."

I'm done. You literally just said you use juggernauts to climb...and then say they are easily kited. Well, not so easily that it stopped you from USING THEM TO CLIMB ON ALL OF YOUR ACCOUNTS.

Are you people on here fucking kidding me with the stuff you present to me?

AggressiveWolfOct 23, 20181 votes

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DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20182 votes

" A juggernaut is not= I CLOSE TO ENEMY I SMASH ENEMY WITH DAMAGE "

Thats exactly what Darius is. Anddddd reported

AggressiveWolfOct 23, 20182 votes

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" A juggernaut is not= I CLOSE TO ENEMY I SMASH ENEMY WITH DAMAGE "

Thats exactly what Darius is. Anddddd reported

You seem like that guy that locks in AP malph support and goes 2/11, then gets triggered by any criticism his team gives him.

DarkinPrimeOct 24, 20182 votes

No an argument. Literally nothing to do with the topic. Try again, or go away.

AggressiveWolfOct 24, 20181 votes

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No an argument. Literally nothing to do with the topic. Try again, or go away.

You really hate juggernauts don't you. Look at all these comments holy shit xD

Critmaster GarenOct 23, 20182 votes

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"If you can't kite a Darius thats on you, the champion has literally on gap closers or move speed steroids " {{summoner:51}}

if the darius is on top of you, you already failed at kiting.

same for every other champion on that list. you want to remove their only win condition and be able to fight and kite them when you already messed up? then how are those champions ever going to make themselves useful?

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20182 votes

Fair point. But it doesnt change the fact that we have champions who are literally acting as tanks still doing more damage than the other teammates. That is still absurd. I dont give a good damn if they are beatable and not played at high elo...or on teams who can use COORDINATION as opposed to the random shit in solo que.

Critmaster GarenOct 23, 20184 votes

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Fair point. But it doesnt change the fact that we have champions who are literally acting as tanks still doing more damage than the other teammates. That is still absurd. I dont give a good damn if they are beatable and not played at high elo...or on teams who can use COORDINATION as opposed to the random shit in solo que.

its not absurd, when you realize a couple of things.

actual tanks are laoded with utlility and aoe cc that always makes them relevant often when theyre far behind in gold of their opponents. a ult engage will have the same effect when hes 0/10 or 10/0 as long as his teammates are doing well. utility is massive in a team oriented game, and its something that juggernauts lack over actual tanks. this is why tanks are always highly popular in coordinated pro play even when theyre shit in solo que. their utility makes them reliable.
range on abilities and auto attacks is at the same time the best offensive and defensive stat in the game. it allows you to fight your opponent without directly interacting with him and putting yourself at risk.
mobility is an advantage that melee champions usually have to offset the range advantage of marksmen, mages and other similar ranged carries.

juggernauts have none of these qualities.

when you think of champions like aatrox or darius or garen, theyre more like slower versions of riven or yasuo etc. theyre intended to be carries. but instead of utility, range or mobility, their power budget is in upfront beef instead.

if youre looking at them as tanks, youre looking into the wrong direction. tanks are closer to supports when it comes to team roles. juggernauts are like the antithesis of marksmen as carries.

marksmen have upfront impact on a fight by being able to chose their target and immediately applying their damage as soon as the fight starts. their win condition is to stay at distance and keep applying their damage to not get punished for their glass cannon builds by getting into arms length of their opponents. they tend to need peel from tanks and supports to be able to stay at a distance.

juggernauts want exactly the opposite. they have a delayed impact by taking time to get into the fight first. their win condition is to get into melee range and stay there to be able to carry. their high base damage and defense supports this playstile. juggernauts are easily kitable and tend to need the help of tanks and supports to get into close range where they can carry.

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20182 votes

"juggernauts have none of these qualities."

Bull fucking shit. Galio Sion Urgot have ways to engage and cover that distance.

You guys are spltting hairs. A champion that has 5000 hp and is super hard to kill is effectively a tank. You want to play semantics to justify Riot fuckery, thats fine, but don't expect everyone to lay down for you as you try to push that

RalanrOct 23, 20182 votes

Galio and Sion aren’t juggernauts. They are tanks.

Urgot has a dash though he doesn’t have any healing mechanics which is common in juggernauts. That’s his trade off.

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20182 votes

Haha spiting hairs. I dont care about the labels. They function of these champs are the same for all intents and purposes.

If you want to argue by splitting hairs and playing semantics, that's fine. Just don't expect reasonable people to buy into that level of bb

RalanrOct 23, 20184 votes

They really don’t, but as you’ve shown with your history you’re not really open to discussions on classifications.

Critmaster GarenOct 23, 20183 votes

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Haha spiting hairs. I dont care about the labels.

youre arguing that juggernauts have long range engage and utility and then youre listing champions that arent juggernauts to make your point.

i can see how urgot is an outlier, even though his auto attack range barely counts, since he still fights almost entirely in melee. but dont say juggernauts have tank qualites and then list a couple of tanks.

Critmaster GarenOct 23, 20183 votes

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"juggernauts have none of these qualities."

Bull fucking shit. have ways to engage and cover that distance.

You guys are spltting hairs. A champion that has 5000 hp and is super hard to kill is effectively a tank. You want to play semantics to justify Riot fuckery, thats fine, but don't expect everyone to lay down for you as you try to push that

galio, and sion arent juggernauts. theyre tanks. sion is a vanguard, galio a warden.

urgot could kindof count into the juggernaut category, but is more of a unique champion. i would group him in there only because he has the same playstile of tanky, relatively slow and melee oriented.

while urgot is technically ranged, his passive incentivizes him to fight full on melee, since he circles his opponent faster the closer he is to him.

Iota ThetaOct 24, 20182 votes

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"juggernauts have none of these qualities."

Bull fucking shit. have ways to engage and cover that distance.

You guys are spltting hairs. A champion that has 5000 hp and is super hard to kill is effectively a tank. You want to play semantics to justify Riot fuckery, thats fine, but don't expect everyone to lay down for you as you try to push that

There’s tanky, and then there’s actual tanks. Tanks are the ones with massive crowd control and utility and focus on engaging (Malphite, Sion, Ornn) or disengage/protecting (Galio, Poppy, Braum). Juggernauts focus on dealing as much damage in melee as possible and surviving through healing and defense, that’s it. They have completely different roles and functions, the only similarity being..they are durable.

Urgot is a juggernaut outside of his small auto range. Galio and Sion are tanks due to their CC. They both get a lot of durability, but they have completely different functions in fights.

DarkinPrimeOct 24, 20182 votes

I understand that theoretical distinction.

It is my position that Juggernauts are TOO tanky for the amount of damage they deal.

Why the FUCK can no one understand this argument?

Iota ThetaOct 24, 20182 votes

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I understand that theoretical distinction.

It is my position that Juggernauts are TOO tanky for the amount of damage they deal.

Why the FUCK can no one understand this argument?

We understand that that is your position. Just don’t expect a lot to agree with it. For these reasons:

tanks and juggernauts carry two different roles
juggernauts are supposed to deal that much damage, they’re typically comparable to ADC’s over extended fights. In fact, they’re supposed to be melee carries. However, they don’t have the range of marksmen, nor the mobility of other melee ADCs like Yi, Yasuo, and the like. In exchange, they get massive durability. Otherwise, they would just get blown up, or others would just do the damage part much better.

DarukongSrOct 23, 20181 votes

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Fair point. But it doesnt change the fact that we have champions who are literally acting as tanks still doing more damage than the other teammates. That is still absurd. I dont give a good damn if they are beatable and not played at high elo...or on teams who can use COORDINATION as opposed to the random shit in solo que.

But that's just like saying "I don't care for a particular playstyle, therefore destroy it." I mean I hate adcs and auto based champs like jax, tryn, you, but I'm not about to say to completely get rid of those playstyles just because I personally don't enjoy them. Every class of champs is toxic to somebody and your line of reasoning is pretty unreasonable tbh. You're basically saying that you don't care that juggernauts, for the most part, are balanced and have plenty of counterplay. They are part of a triangle concept: tankyish, immobile, high damage, may or may not have some limited mobility or some hard cc. Tanks usually have better defensive stats and more disrptive cc, often having better mobility and teamfights presence. Assassin's are highly mobile with tons of burst damage, but are squishy, adcs have range, dps, and usually some variation of high mobility, great scaling, and/or cc. Mages have more ranges, more aoe, and usually lots of slows or other cc. Fighters are usually mobile, with high damage and some innate defensive abilities, and so on and so forth. Of all the classes I just mentioned, juggernauts have arguably rheost counterplay because anyone. It seems to me you are just bitter and heavily biased against the class because you don't like the idea of tanky damage dealers.

emarythomp2Oct 23, 20182 votes

I can see you're very frustrated with getting these champions in your lane. I can see where it comes from. These champions can abuse lower elos very efficiently. How do I know you're low elo? op.gg'd you. You seem to main aatrox.

So I can see where all this frustration comes from now. But the thing is these champions don't just have one weakness. And higher elo players use these champions' weaknesses against them to beat them in lane.

For example, Darius . He can be kited yes, but he is also weak against champions that can get in his face. Sort of like aatrox, any champs that get in his q or hit outside of his q range cripple darius. His only method of sustain is q so if you avoid it in laning he basically can't sustain damage and loses trades. He has no mobility outside of items and summoner spells. That's where the kiting comes in.

Another example is Garen . Now this champ actually counters aatrox too so its a bit more of a struggle. His main weakness you would think is kiting but it's actually extended trades. Garen works off of short trades because he relies on his spells for damage. He's also weak to poke that disrupts his passive aka his sustain.

These are only some of their weaknesses but just calm down and think about what these champions are good at and bad at. I suggest playing them for a few games to get a feel of their kits and how their kits work. For example, did you know that garen has a slow cleanse on his q? Did you know Darius has passive armor pen on his e? Playing the champions yourself gives you an understanding of their weaknesses in lane and outside of lane.

Also you should stick to aatrox as one tricking is one of the easiest ways to climb. If you want, I can coach you on toplane, at least, a plat level understanding of toplane, which can help you duel better and climb faster because I also noticed you've been silver for 3 seasons now.

Also don't take me addressing your elo as an insult. It's just an observation.

Critmaster GarenOct 23, 20182 votes

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I can see you're very frustrated with getting these champions in your lane. I can see where it comes from. These champions can abuse lower elos very efficiently. How do I know you're low elo? op.gg'd you. You seem to main aatrox.

So I can see where all this frustration comes from now. But the thing is these champions don't just have one weakness. And higher elo players use these champions' weaknesses against them to beat them in lane.

For example, . He can be kited yes, but he is also weak against champions that can get in his face. Sort of like aatrox, any champs that get in his q or hit outside of his q range cripple darius. His only method of sustain is q so if you avoid it in laning he basically can't sustain damage and loses trades. He has no mobility outside of items and summoner spells. That's where the kiting comes in.

Another example is . Now this champ actually counters aatrox too so its a bit more of a struggle. His main weakness you would think is kiting but it's actually extended trades. Garen works off of short trades because he relies on his spells for damage. He's also weak to poke that disrupts his passive aka his sustain.

These are only some of their weaknesses but just calm down and think about what these champions are good at and bad at. I suggest playing them for a few games to get a feel of their kits and how their kits work. For example, did you know that garen has a slow cleanse on his q? Did you know Darius has passive armor pen on his e? Playing the champions yourself gives you an understanding of their weaknesses in lane and outside of lane.

Also you should stick to aatrox as one tricking is one of the easiest ways to climb. If you want, I can coach you on toplane, at least, a plat level understanding of toplane, which can help you duel better and climb faster because I also noticed you've been silver for 3 seasons now.

Also don't take me addressing your elo as an insult. It's just an observation.

wait, hes maining Aatrox and hes complaining about juggernauts?

theyre literally in the same class of champions.

DarukongSrOct 23, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E3tedWi6,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-10-23T06:33:26.866+0000)

wait, hes maining and hes complaining about juggernauts?

theyre literally in the same class of champions.

Wait really lmao?? That hilarious too because aatrox stomps Darius with ease.

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20181 votes

I mained OLD Aatrox

Critmaster GarenOct 23, 20182 votes

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I mained OLD Aatrox

well, old aatrox was shit, wasnt he?

he was ok for like two weeks when rageblade was busted, and garbage for the rest of the 6 years.

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20181 votes

I could trash darius with old aatrox anytime. But my complaint is the same. He gets lucky and gets a triple kill with his ult against moron teammates and catches up.

DarukongSrOct 24, 20181 votes

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I could trash darius with old aatrox anytime. But my complaint is the same. He gets lucky and gets a triple kill with his ult against moron teammates and catches up.

Lmao old aatrox was a noob champ that Darius stomped into the ground until just before his rework when there were some item changes that pushed astrox from crapntier to amazingly broken. He was super binary and didn't involve a lot of counterplay. He either killed you because stats, or didn't. It's not like his E or q were hard to land at all. So I find it hilarious that you are bitching about Darius. Grow up, you hypocrite

DarkinPrimeOct 24, 20181 votes

Blah blah blah. Still peddling the talking points Riot fed everyone to justify obliterating a champion.

I find it hilarious how lock step you are with everyone else literally making the same arguments almost verbatim. And like everyone else, you never climbed with him, maining him against any and all counters successfully, so you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

emarythomp2Oct 27, 20182 votes

I'm honestly convinced he's trolling at this point. He told me that his account that he's using for discussions right now is banned, yet I checked his op.gg and he's still playing on it to this day. Just report the post for being in the wrong discussion.

True GarenOct 27, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E3tedWi6,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-10-23T06:33:26.866+0000)

wait, hes maining and hes complaining about juggernauts?

theyre literally in the same class of champions.

He also plays a lot of Olaf and Nasus.

DarkinPrimeOct 23, 20182 votes

Also this is just the account I talk on that hast been banned. Fuck off with your looking people up, address the points made without disgustingly coloring it with data that will cause you to have a subjective opinion based on the person making the argument

DarukongSrOct 24, 20181 votes

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DarkinPrimeOct 24, 20182 votes

Data on ME has nothing to do with any argument. Do you not understand that? But nice name calling. Reported.

DarukongSrOct 25, 20182 votes

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Data on ME has nothing to do with any argument. Do you not understand that? But nice name calling. Reported.

Dude you're either a troll, unreasonable, have the emotional maturity of a 12 year old, a narcissist, or all 4 of those things. Good day.

emarythomp2Oct 27, 20181 votes

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Also this is just the account I talk on that hast been banned. Fuck off with your looking people up, address the points made without disgustingly coloring it with data that will cause you to have a subjective opinion based on the person making the argument

Why are you acting hostile? Did you read my comment? Your elo is determining your comment right now. Why do you think noone in high elo complains about these champions in this specific way? I didn't even have to look you up to determine you're low elo. Added to that, your account is irrelevant. You have the mindset of a low elo player. Even a Rioter commented on your post addressing "Balancing around low elo" You're not hard to read

On that note you seem to be getting hostile as some sort of defense. You see being called "low elo" as some sort of insult. Also I'm assuming you're trolling since you said your account is banned yet you're still playing on it and you have a past history of being in silver for the past 2 seasons

If you're trolling: Well done. I'll report your post since it belongs in the memes & games section and not Gameplay.

If you aren't: Stop being so defensive. You're not in any threat by me. I'm saying I can help you deal with these champions better and help improve your overrall gameplay against these champions

Like I said don't take me addressing your elo as an insult. It's simply a variable in determining your logic and reasoning in your comment.

"Facts don't care about your feelings." [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

P.S. I addressed your points without the need of your elo if you did any reading beyond the first sentence in my comment.

DarkinPrimeOct 27, 20181 votes

" I'm saying I can help you deal with these champions better and help improve your overrall gameplay against these champions"

Why am I acting hostile, as he proceeds with to offer unsolicited help that I never asked for.

Wake up.