Sunfire has a huge buff on pbe, meanwhile tanks are already god tier top lane, meanwhile bruisers are still completely useless and have 5 damage buffs on pbe, what a fking joke.
WHY IS THIS BRAINDEAD ITEM BEING BUFFED? Just why, is maokai and ornn struggling to auto win lanes with bramble vest with their 55% win rates right now? Meanwhile darius is too op at 46% and riven at 48, i mean every bruiser is under 50% atm.
Brain Errör 4043 votesNah, realize with a tank item buff, they always nerf something. It's never a net buff.
Rexxiee3 votesNah, realize with a tank item buff, they always nerf something. It's never a net buff.
Yeah, they nerf bruisers instead by nerfing PtA so the few attack speed bruisers that are barely above 50% fall down again.
Ahris2 votesYeah, they nerf bruisers instead by nerfing PtA so the few attack speed bruisers that are barely above 50% fall down again.
adcs abuse PTA more than bruisers. As Riven I take Electrcrute instead. So nerfing ADCs will also mean a buff for bruisers as ADC basically destroys bruisers and PTA just made it harder.
AirKingNeo1 votesPtA on ADC still isn't that good. It's worse than fervor was, and fervor was weaker than Warlords.
Effectively, damage keystones went down, but PtA does allow bruisers to cut down tanks with damage amp.
Basically just nerf adcs instead.
Who is Taliyah3 votesHow is that a buff?
Sunfire now deals 25 instead of 20 damage to enemy champions, but instead of 40 (100% extra damage) to minions only 37.5 (50% extra damage)
Makes their pushing slightly worse.
Rexxiee2 votesHow is that a buff?
Sunfire now deals 25 instead of 20 damage to enemy champions, but instead of 40 (100% extra damage) to minions only 37.5 (50% extra damage)
Makes their pushing slightly worse.
Sunfire starts at 11 damage on live.
They are more than doubling its base damage, this would be fine if tanks were weak right now, they ARENT,
FuhrerRico1 votesThat's 2.5 less damage to minions for 5 more damage to champs, that's a buff buddy
meowwow71 votesonly if you are trying to cs champs and not actual creeps so when you are in a lane with 3 or more minions to just you and your enemy top it actually nerfs the net damage
Winterwings3 votesWhoa! Calm down, you may need to look at the big picture here to understand this...
Bramble Vest Unique Passive - Thorns Damage reflect changed from [15 damage] to [damage equal to 10% of your bonus Armor]
Reminder, Bramble Vest has 35 armor itself (Which is counted as bonus armor for the purposes of its damage calculation) meaning the damage is down from 15 to a measly 3,5 if you rush the item. You will need an additional 115 BONUS armor from OTHER sources to bring the Thorns passive damage back to it's old value which is a huge Bramble early rush nerf (And a good thing too)
On the other hand the buff to SFC is a compensation for it HOWEVER, Sunfire is a COMPLETE ITEM at a cost of 2900 gold, need i remind you Bami's Cinder didn't get any of these compensation buffs so Tanks should theoretically be more vulnerable early on as Bramble rush falls out of viability...
Rexxiee1 votes[{quoted}](name=Azure Northwing,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2HLFq9u,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-11-28T12:08:21.667+0000)
Whoa! Calm down, you may need to look at the big picture here to understand this... Unique Passive - Thorns Damage reflect changed from [15 damage] to [damage equal to 10% of your bonus Armor]
Reminder, Bramble Vest has 35 armor itself (Which is counted as bonus armor for the purposes of its damage calculation) meaning the damage is down from 15 to a measly 3,5 if you rush the item. You will need an additional 115 BONUS armor from OTHER sources to bring the Thorns passive damage back to it's old value which is a huge Bramble early rush nerf (And a good thing too)
On the other hand the buff to SFC is a compensation for it HOWEVER, Sunfire is a COMPLETE ITEM at a cost of 2900 gold, need i remind you Bami's Cinder didn't get any of these compensation buffs so Tanks should theoretically be more vulnerable early on as Bramble rush falls out of viability...
The point was to make tanks weaker, not to compensate them by making sunfire broken again...
Figthers need a power increase and tanks need a power reduction, is that too hard to understand?
Winterwings2 votesFigthers need a power increase and tanks need a power reduction
All that would do is end up being a double whammy nerf to tanks... I find it ironic how someone can blame Riot for "disgusting bias" while displaying bias themselves
The point was to make tanks weaker, not to compensate them by making sunfire broken again...
It's as if you didn't even read what i said... This change IS a power reduction to tanks in the EARLY game (probably the most crucial part of the game in this meta) since they will no longer be able to rush a 1000g cost item and triple dip into ARMOR, DAMAGE and GRIEVOUS WOUNDS as the change means that Bramble by itself will do pitiful amount of reflect damage...
And before you try, no i don't main tanks... in fact i hate facing them as much as you do, but i understand the underlying reasoning behind this change and don't freak out over it...
Even1 votesDidn't they nerf 
as well?
Rexxiee1 votes[{quoted}](name=ok evan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2HLFq9u,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-28T00:05:05.263+0000)
Didn't they nerf
less 5 damage at rank 1 Q.
It was 15 the patch before, now they reduce the nerf because "it would kill him".
Then they more than doubled sunfire damage.
ZZZZZZZZZ
AirKingNeo1 votesHis Q damage is also down 10 more at rank 5.
It's a decent change, but if they made his passive MISSING HP, he'd probably be mostly fine?