Why is Nidalee not included in the "assasin" rework?

SwiftKitten88··6 votes·1,739 views

you have Nidalee listed as an assassin/ hybrid artillery

and as a nidalee player, heck a nidalee main.

nidalee had one of the best reworks ever designed.

and yet when you decided to "allow" her to jungle.

you have been slowly UNDOING her rework

the %hp on traps is gone and back to flat damage.. but it now does HALF the flat damage it used pre rework, to scales worse, does proc in an AOE.. does reveal stealthed champs anymore

what i loved about nidalee %hp reworked traps is that becuase EVERY nidalee gets traps last. the 10% hp still scales as people got more hp later in the game. and it also scaled with her own AP.

what really made these traps work was that even though you only had 1 pointuntil late game . even though you couldn't put them in a minion wave.

they allows nidalee it have at least ONE defense against her absolute hardest counter... TANKS. and yet this one defense was still completly held back by the fact that she couldn't FORCE her oppoents to walk over them

and during her rework you came up with the idea to CAP this %hp damage at 200 vs jungle mobs

and yet when your put her into the jungle and it was shown that 200 damage was still WAY to much with her new jungle abilties. instead of LOWING the cap to say 40 or 50. you completely remove her rework. WHY?? you totally destroyed her support role by doing this

later on her clear was deemed "too fast"

and nerf after nerf hit her until you remove the root on jungle mobs. and yet this did NOTHING to slow her clear down. and infact at higher elo's it made her clear FASTEr becuase of the "compensation buff" you gave her pounce.

so not only did you "nerf" buff nidalee for higher elo players.. it made it so that the other 90% of players... you know the people BELOW diamond.. had a MUCH harder clear. when infact she was only an ISSUE in higher elo games to begin with.

all the while nidalee's other roles... top mid and support have dropped below 40% win rate, yet you ignore this and focus on her "jungle"

and THEN you remove her pounce reset. (yes its technically "nerfed") and say it is to lower her clear speed.. which it did. but it lowered it to the point where, not only does nid have a CRAZY hard early clear becuase of the removal of root. and barely survives. its now not any faster any pretty much any other jungler.

and that's not even the HALF of it

your nerf to her "clear speed" hit MUCH more than her jugnle "clear speed"

it COMPLETELY REMOVED her ability to TRADE

a nidalee trade relies on you landing a spear. (aka hard to hit skillshot) and then pouncign in. use your kitty moves and pounce out.) and IF you landed that spear and it was safe to poucne in... you would come out ahead in the trade.

yet now. if you pounce in you need to wait FOUR more seconds.. after you use all your abilities.. and it isn't until lvl 16 where she can trade normally again

do u think Zed would be banned if he had to wait FOUR second after he ulted in before he could get out

do u thinkLeblanc would be used if she had to wait FOUR second to get out after she popped in. heck she only has a 4 second window to go back.. and you think its ok for nidalee to just to be force to sit there for that time and during that time the enemy just does more damage to you than you do to them... unless you kill them.. and even then.. you STILL cant get out if there are any other players there or a tower you need to get out from.

the ENTIRE point of nidalee's REWORK was to GIVE her counterplay so she just doesn't "throw spears all day" if she CAN'T pounce in because it is now frankly suicide to do so.. isn't she doing EXACTLY what her rework was designed to STOP her from doing. which is sitting back and throwing spears all day.

and now nidalee has a 46% win rate in the jungle http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/nidalee/all and lower than 40% in her top mid and support roles riot. NINETY PERCENT of players are below plat.

nidalee does NOT reach a 50% win rate until she is plat

for the LAST FIVE SEASONS nidalee's winrate has been roughly at the same % for ALL elos

and yet now you suddenly decide that those of us who have been playing nidalee since we have started playing.. suddenly don't have the skill to play her at the level she needs to be any good.

if you want to design a high skill cap champion that is ONLY really good at high elos.. then fine. make a NEW CHAMP.

but don't take a balanced existing champ and make it so that 90% of player now no longer have the "skill requirement" it take to play her at a level when they can reach a 50% win rate.

you are doing an assassin rework. WHY isn't Nidalee on the list? for 90% of us players.. she is NOT in a good spot.

16 Comments

YuGiHo3 votes

I miss lane nidalee, i hate that after they allowed her to jungle a few patches later she became balanced only around the jungle and crud every where else. and you right, all current nidalee does now is throw spears but a spear that is no where near as powerful as her pre rework spear.

SpookyNeedle3 votes

Nidalee is one of my favorite champs, I love playing Midalee, but it's just not viable. I've been forced to play jungle (my worst role) if I want to play Nidalee.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Nidalee is one of my favorite champs, I love playing Midalee, but it's just not viable. I've been forced to play jungle (my worst role) if I want to play Nidalee.

yeah what i loved about her is i could also player her TOP and support. granted support wasn't "great" becuase she had no real CC. but the heal/AS steroid was good the her traps provided valuable early vision in an era before trinkets, and like blitz and thresh she made it so the enemy team had to at least pay attention to where they positioned

Eedat2 votes

Nidalee is considered a hybrid and not a full-blown assassin. Plus, shes already had a recent rework recent successful rework

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Nidalee is considered a hybrid and not a full-blown assassin. Plus, shes already had a recent rework recent successful rework

YES and like i SAID i think 3 times now... it WAS a great rework, but riot UNDID it with her nerfs.

Eedat2 votes

They didnt undo anything. I dont think you remember how Nidalee was before if you insist that shes the same as she is the same. NIdalee is balanced right now, I dont know why you want Riot to change her.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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They didnt undo anything. I dont think you remember how Nidalee was before if you insist that shes the same as she is the same. NIdalee is balanced right now, I dont know why you want Riot to change her.

right.. tell the nidalee main they dont understand what nid is like..

ok let me try that.. MonkeyKing is FREAKING OP, i really don't know anything about him but i'm going to tell you that he is OP and you don't know what hes like.

Eedat2 votes

I'm a jungle main and I play nid every now and then. Just because I dont play her in ranked doesnt mean I dont play her. I woudnt make a Wukong thread because my opinion would be extremely biased, like yours is about Nidalee.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

nidalee already got reworked and the other assassins have been on the backburner for years

SwiftKitten882 votes

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nidalee already got reworked and the other assassins have been on the backburner for years

yes... she did.. and it was an amazing rework... except the fact that for the past year and a half riot pretty much completely UNDID her rework with her nerfs...

two crucial parts of the rework, aka needing to pounce in to trade and her traps doing % hp are now gone. and because the POINT of the rework was to make her trade in melee range and NOT throw spears all day. removing the pounce reset pretty much undid that. because now its not safe for her to pounce in.

Oleandervine2 votes

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yes... she did.. and it was an amazing rework... except the fact that for the past year and a half riot pretty much completely UNDID her rework with her nerfs...

They undid it with nerfs because she was one shotting people, chucking invisible spears from the fog, and generally being one of the more oppressive junglers.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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They undid it with nerfs because she was one shotting people, chucking invisible spears from the fog, and generally being one of the more oppressive junglers.

first off.. invisible spears was an exploit... as a nidalee main i can say it was VERY hard to accidentally do. if a nidalee was throwing invisible spears at you, she was PURPOSELY abusing that. THAT is a exploit.. NOT a balance issue.

if it was EASY to do by accident, don't you think it would have taken riot less than SIX MONTHS to fix it after it was first reported.

yoshi27901 votes

LCS.

SwiftKitten881 votes

funny that you mention bias.. i made a whole thread about that. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/tjO3Xwtn-my-main-is-not-op-why-we-are-biased

i think i understand bias a little more than you give me credit for, and possibly a little more than you.

besides you are telling me that that post. "i dont remember what nidalee is like"

i can ASSURE YOU. i remember EXACTLY what nidalee was like, and i want that BACK

SwiftKitten881 votes

bump because i see meddler is online!!!!

SwiftKitten881 votes

oh well its not like i have been asking them why for over a year now.... never got a response, don't know what made me think this time i would get an answer.

i guess that would require riot to admit they screwed her up after finally getting her balanced...

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