i don't care if you nerfed his other skills hard. you just basically took one champion who was manageable, moved her ability to one of the most annoying, toxic champions in the game for a 20% damage increase for 6 seconds. also the attack speed nerfs on zed were a joke. raise his energy cost because THAT'S the problem. you can zone him as much as you want but he can farm with all that energy regen and low energy costs.
Lord Dusteon5 votesFor Ahri, she's supposed to be a kitey mage. The base + ratio increase and Q movement speed reinforces that while making her less of an assassin.
For Fizz, did you not look at how much he was nerfed? His Q lost half its damage, and his W passive lost a large amount of damage while the W active got some of the damage back. Overall, if he doesn't land a shark on you or get multiple QWE combos off on you while you hang around he isn't killing you.
The Bard Dog3 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BzM69Paj,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-01-28T21:09:02.845+0000)
For Ahri, she's supposed to be a kitey mage. The base + ratio increase and Q movement speed reinforces that while making her less of an assassin.
For Fizz, did you not look at how much he was nerfed? His Q lost half its damage, and his W passive lost a large amount of damage while the W active got some of the damage back. Overall, if he doesn't land a shark on you or get multiple QWE combos off on you while you hang around he isn't killing you.
ahri and fizz weren't even the real problems. where are the lee sin, jarvan, and zed nerfs? i like the akali nerfs, but now other people need to follow suit.
Solaxo6 votesahri and fizz weren't even the real problems. where are the lee sin, jarvan, and zed nerfs? i like the akali nerfs, but now other people need to follow suit.
Speak for yourself, Fizz was a real problem.
Pika3101 votesYes, but not Ahri.
Riot enjoys nerfing champions just for the hell of it and to laugh in our faces.
aciddemons4 votesAhri is my main mid laner and having played a game with her after the change, she doesn't have that burst anymore. This is just unfair.
Jungle Lux God4 votesThe thing about the Fizz changes is that Fizz is now extremely healthy as an assassin. Everything that Riot says about Zed being healthy basically applies to Fizz now, except that Fizz also doesn't have the bullshit mechanics that Zed has, like Zed's lack of mana and his ability to effortlessly CS.
SouL1ess2 votesBy healthy, you mean extremely easy to counter?
If you buy QSS you get rid of half of Fizz's base damage and 1.4 out of 3.4 of his total AP ratio.
It hurts Fizz more than Deathmark removal on Zed does.
Jungle Lux God1 votesBy healthy, I mean exactly what Riot refers to as healthy.
Also, buying a QSS active doesn't hurt Fizz nearly as much as Zed because Chum the Waters still has a knockup, and a knockup on an assassin also helps make Fizz healthy as an assassin, as if Fizz falls behind (which would definitely be reasonable because his base damages on his basic abilities got reduced), he still has some way to contribute with the knockup on his shark. The only reason QSS would hurt Fizz more than it does Zed is because of the magic resistance that QSS provides, although Fizz doesn't have to worry about that until the late game in most cases.
Chessburger1 votesIf I remember correctly - if you QSS fizz ult the shark stays stationary at the spot and you can run out of the knockup. Also there's the pure fact that QSS has MR which also negates some of fizz' damage while not the same is true for zed.
Jungle Lux God1 votesI didn't know that about QSS.
Also, I did mention that Fizz's damage is reduced by the MR on QSS. Reread my second post.
Chessburger1 votesMy bad, kind of skimmed through it and missed the last part.
Charming2 votesif I could upvote this 1000000 times I would
Star Of Love2 votesRiot: Why don't we take the damage increase, and PUSH it somewhere else?
Players: That may just be crazy enough....to get us all killed!
Cindikle2 votesAhri was changed because she was balanced around having DFG.
She was changed because she would do a lot of damage in a teamfight easily because W and R are auto-targeting. That's why they had their damage nerfed. So she couldn't provide strong teamfight damage while still destroying people with DFG. I think she was always more fun as a mage anyway.
Also Fizz got nerfed. He requires his ult to do the same damage to his targets he currently can. This slightly varies based on his target's HP and his AP. (Old Fizz was stronger with higher AP, New Fizz is stronger with a higher HP target). This mean one his greatest strengths, his ability to be a strong threat without his ulti, is lessened quite heavily. I fully suspect he'll see some buffs because of this.
ModKnightsKemplar2 votesThey nerfed fizz in other ways... He basically HAS to land that fish to kill you now. Whereas, before, he could kill one person with fish and spell, and use his other spell and autos to kill another person. He got nerfed.
SleepyLionCub1 votesExcept it fit in his kit better and made him much more balanced.
Now Ahri is a kite mage, like LIssandra, and Lux.
Her whole purpose, playstyle wise is much more healthy. Rather than oops, missed my Charm, lets wait for it to get back up and try again. Now she is I poked and, outplayed this person to the point where i can finish him off in a combo
Its EXACTLY what riot was talking about. Rather than just pressing a button and deleting someone from the game, she has a much higher and versatile skillcap now. Playing Ahri is no longer soley related to your skill with landing her charm, and thats a great thing.
However fizz used to be able to kill you in a combo, even if he missed his ult. It was like Lol, I missed my R, but who cares, i didnt even need that hard to aim thing anyways, Now he actually has to set up his combos properly to do anything more than poke.
Riot is moving champions away from the whole "I landed 1 skillshot, so now I win" or "I got in range so now I win", kind of champions, and replacing them with balanced champions who's kits revolve around ALL of their abilities, rather than just 1, or 1 combo.
Anatharion1 votesI watched Fate Stay on stream play Fizz several times last night. He was able to 100-0 people after he landed his Fish on them at lvl 6. There is nothing wrong with Fizz he is still powerhouse of a champion early game.
You are just playing him wrong.
Malix Farwin1 votesIf it makes you feel any better, it is not that good on fizz.