Surrender at 15 will just increase the toxicity

Ahristocats··12 votes·1,511 views

Admit this fact: When you surrender, it's not because the game is unwinnable you surrender because you don't want to play the game anymore. You don't want to try anymore, and you're starting to be pissed off by the game, by the enemy champ, or w/e so hard that you want to get out of the game.

Stop saying that the game is "unwinable" As much as you play the game, there is always a chance to win, wether the chance is 0.01% or 0.0000001% there is STILL a chance to win, and this chance depends on YOU, depends if you can catch the arogant enemy adc alone, or get baron/towers if the enemy team died. Depends on YOUR itemization, if you try to get item 3123 against Vladimir instead of spamming "ff i'm afk" you will increase this chance by a thousand billion time. Yes it may be hard to win with 3 inhib down, but are you going to tell me that it never happened to you? because my memory still have the ability to remember a game where i was afk for 15 min as jungle lee, and then our team managed to win with 3 inhib and 2 nexus towers down. My memory still have this game 1 month ago where as Lee support i won while my nexus had 10% hp, because our Khazix always one-shoted the enemy 24 kills MasterYi

Surrendering is one of the thing that increases toxicity in league, if surrender wasn't here people would try so hard to win that the game would be more interesting, you learn more from your mistakes, you experiment more things (i shouldn't let nasus go to late game next time), but if you give them so possibility of leaving then what's the point of playing? above diamond 1 (or everywhere) it's always the same: -play the game for 10 min or 15 min -manage to understand if the game is "winable" or not, then harass your team for surrender

and don't let me start about riot giving us a surrender at 15 option, the last dude who refuses to surrender (in that case me) will always be bullied by his team to surrend. i DON'T WANT to surrender, why? because i will always enjoy the game, unless there is a Vayne oneshoting me from 550 range (in which case i can agree to surrender), i'll always find a way to have fun in the game, even by dying. I play Mordekaiser goes 0/10 in laning phase because the jungler camped me, i simply DON'T FUCKING CARE. i will always have fun with morde, with his entire kit and maybe manage to come back because of his monstrous ability to farm, and because there is always a chance to win stop harassing me to surrender because i'll not, and you have to respect my choise and troll/feed

TL DR: Surrender at 15 will just make people trolling because someone refused to surrender, and ruin the experience of this last player.

15 Comments

IPinPC7 votes

Why should I waste my time for 0.000001 chance to win when I can start a new game ?

I don't feel entertained when unskilled heroes stays in the game and feeds but proves their heroism by not surrendering. Sadomasochistic game play doesn't have entertaining value for me.

Maximum Morde4 votes

Downvoted for misuse of Gauss's Law.

Ahristocats1 votes

i deleted this part english isn't my first language and talking about science with it makes me not able to send my message correctly

Maximum Morde1 votes

Downvote removed. I'm neutral on actual post content.

Shuyin1783 votes

9/10 times if I start a surrender it's so I can get away from the group I'm currently with and start fresh with a new match.

Best princess EU2 votes

make us able to surrender at 15 minutes only if there is an AFK since a long time (like 5 min)

Mountain Warden2 votes

It takes 4 votes to surrender. If 4 people agree the current game isn't worth it no matter how "winnable" it still is, why should that 5th person hold every body else. I think Riot made a good call on going beyond simple majority (3 out of 5 should technically be sufficient to make the surrender call or 60%). But they went with 4 out 5 make sure people had greater degree of agreement. And as for the 15 mins mark, I've had games that went so badly that I wish I could surrender at 15 and not wait another 5 mins. I fully support surrendering early. And if YOU don't want to surrender, then just don't click yes but don't deny me my right to want to surrender.

Ahristocats1 votes

fair enough, as long as people don't deny me the right to not surrender

which will happen with the 15 min surrender

Rákãñ1 votes

Yeah, I just had 3 games with people saying "/ff @20 or AFK @fountain".

Brimaz The King1 votes

Can you please post a link where riot said they are changing the surrender time to 15. Bcuz I haven't read anything ty.

JustMonika133 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brimaz The King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BpJNdbgA,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-11-30T17:20:57.981+0000)

Can you please post a link where riot said they are changing the surrender time to 15. Bcuz I haven't read anything ty.

While I don't have the link, the whole plan is @15 Surrender is possible, but only with a 5/5 unanimous vote. @20 it's back to the 4/5 needed to surrender vote. Try tracking Meddler to see if you can find it, he's the one who said it's being considered but backlogged due to more important work.

Joman7671 votes

Add me in game bro never surrender

Brimaz The King1 votes

I got down voted for asking a question lol.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

You can only surrender at 15 if everyone on the team wants to. I think that solves most of the problems, because if people all choose to surrender, it saves them all some time. And if even a single person wants to wait it out til 20 minutes, that person can.

More from Gameplay

More by Ahristocats