Talon winratio is fine despite his ultimate bug

DropFill·Mar 26, 2016·1 votes·365 views

Something has to be done about talon. Also, put zed on that list too. Hitting 6 and shitting on any mage is stupid and unfun ( not even talking about his stupid strong OP laning phase )

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5050BSMar 26, 20161 votes

He counters Aurelion Sol so hard it is not funny.

They also made a change to ASol's Q stun range before going live that was not on the PBE.

Talon can avoid ALL of ASols attacks other then Ult and autos

DropFillMar 26, 20162 votes

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He counters Aurelion Sol so hard it is not funny.

They also made a change to ASol's Q stun range before going live that was not on the PBE.

Talon can avoid ALL of ASols attacks other then Ult and autos

What aurelion sol has to do with this?

Elisza KitsuneMar 26, 20161 votes

Okay okay I main Talon and this may be a bit embarassing but I've gotten DOMINATED by a Sona mid before AND after lvl 6. If I tyr to ult to get her, the moment i jump on her she ults E and Q (Full ap mind you) and you cant get close to kill her. Talon just snowballs by roaming and stuff. Everyone has their counter such as Talon's mana costs etc. Talon's ult does some dmg but not significant from what i can tell besides the stealth). Talon is just one of those champs that is screwed if he's hit by hard cc even if he ults

DivewingMar 26, 20161 votes

Talon's not something simply number changes will fix, and Riot knows this. He's been confirmed alongside Akali to be one of the focal points for the announced Assassin Rework (which so far is pretty vague as to ETA, but one would assume around the end of this year/early next year considering the MYMU).

That asides, Talon's lane phase is actually really weak pre 4, average at 4-5, and only good at 6. Theres plenty of time to poke him down, since he can only punish you if you mess up your skillshots (pretty badly). I have no defence for Zed. His lane phase needs to have it's safety and easy-farm-level GIMPED.

DropFillMar 26, 20161 votes

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Talon's not something simply number changes will fix, and Riot knows this. He's been confirmed alongside Akali to be one of the focal points for the announced Assassin Rework (which so far is pretty vague as to ETA, but one would assume around the end of this year/early next year considering the MYMU).

That asides, Talon's lane phase is actually really weak pre 4, average at 4-5, and only good at 6. Theres plenty of time to poke him down, since he can only punish you if you mess up your skillshots (pretty badly). I have no defence for Zed. His lane phase needs to have it's safety and easy-farm-level GIMPED.

I know you have plenty of time to poke talon, but if he stays behind and wait, he will absolute have no counterplay post6. Also, despite being weak pre4, a lot of champions mid are not strong at those moments either. And he can snowball at various points due to the lack of counterplay to his burst. Zed is just plain stupid. Played against one, was dominating him, but he hit ONE WEQ on me, and I lost 40% of my health.Than 6 comes and since I was playing aurelion sol, he just pressed R on me for easy kills. Nnothing you can do because he can dodge all your shit while bursting you down

DivewingMar 26, 20161 votes

OK. You cannot validate nerfing a champion simply because you got uber countered. Zed and Talon will screw ASol so hard its not funny simply because there's 0 RISK WHEN THEY GO IN. That's a weakness in ASol's kit, something which Talon's and Zed's both can exploit, especially easily, however that is not enough to warrant a nerf.

It's little more than coincidence that these champions are problematic in ways your OP describes. Also as for Talon, maybe you missed it, but that's the point of him being slated for a rework, his kit is too binary and lacks counterplay. It's not really fair to blame Riot for Talon, since hes clearly a concern, but they have a lot on their plate right now. Zed is completely valid (outside of countering you super hard), but hes one of their favourites, and say what you like about him, his burst pattern is only rivalled in terms of counterplay amongst assassins by ekko