Lethality good for 1~2 patches?Gutted quickly

RexSaur·Mar 10, 2017·5 votes·2,488 views

Sunfire and tabi broken for over a year?

"Its fine because we love tanks, oh and dont worry in the middle of the year patch we are going to nerf bruisers again so we can buff tanks"

-Riot games

21 Comments

AhristocatsMar 10, 20177 votes

lethality has been broken since 7.2 and it's still strong in 7.5, it's still meta except on adcs (though jhin and mf are still meta)

sunfire on the other hand is strong on a couple of character and should be nerfed? in what world are you living friend? ninja tabi is being built on adcs, on mages now, because of the bullshit that lethality brings

don't ever compare lethality to those 2 items

ErockandrollMar 10, 20171 votes

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lethality has been broken since 7.2 and it's still strong in 7.5, it's still meta except on adcs (though jhin and mf are still meta)

sunfire on the other hand is strong on a couple of character and should be nerfed? in what world are you living friend? ninja tabi is being built on adcs, on mages now, because of the bullshit that lethality brings

don't ever compare lethality to those 2 items

To be fair, Sunfire may have some inherent problems. While it's designed to supplement Tanks in the wave clear department, Non tanks can pick it up and get tanky without sacrificing much waveclear. (Tank Fizz and Ekko)

Ninja tabi on the other hand, popped up because of Lethality. It became strong because Lethality became strong. That's pretty much how Perfect imbalance works. Though arguably, exhaust was picked up as a response to the Lethality meta, and that got nerfed. (Maybe it was just strong to begin with)

RexSaurMar 10, 20172 votes

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To be fair, Sunfire may have some inherent problems. While it's designed to supplement Tanks in the wave clear department, Non tanks can pick it up and get tanky without sacrificing much waveclear. (Tank Fizz and Ekko)

Ninja tabi on the other hand, popped up because of Lethality. It became strong because Lethality became strong. That's pretty much how Perfect imbalance works. Though arguably, exhaust was picked up as a response to the Lethality meta, and that got nerfed. (Maybe it was just strong to begin with)

Do you ppl have bad memory problem or something?

EXHAUST, SUNFIRE AND TABI were all spammed BEFORE lethality was even a stat.

chipndip1Mar 11, 20171 votes

No Exhaust wasn't...

Same for Tabi. It was Merc Treads that got spammed, then it was Swifties, and FINALLY Tabi is now getting the "best shoe in the market" treatment...

SohleksMar 11, 20171 votes

Well they DID give Tabis 5 more armor and 2% more auto reduction that everybodies seem to have forgotten. The armor was because they made the item same cost as mercs tho, but for this item it's much nicer more slot efficient.

Also exhaust was always incredibly dumb. Just because it takes a lethality meta for the monkeys to figure that out doesn't make it untrue. In fact I had predicted this last year. I called the exhaust nerf last year after they made the assassins more counterplay'ier because of course they're gonna try to push them into relevancy too.

If lethality sucked again tabis would still be really strong. It's not because of the lethality meta being. It's because it taught us that.

chipndip1Mar 11, 20171 votes

I've spent too long in bot lane for the past 2 years to not know that people were NOT spamming Exhaust down there until recently. Exhaust coming up as an issue is a result of the current changes to the game and people's reactions to it, not because it was op all this time. Nobody was really paying to Exhaust like they were at this point.

RalanrMar 10, 20175 votes

It is really hard to take you seriously with the hate boner you have towards defensive itemization.

RoyalMachineMar 10, 20173 votes

they didn't like talon zed mid because ryze/cassio/ori are so damn interesting

PennsMar 10, 20172 votes

Tfw every korean Fizz mains match history looks like https://i.gyazo.com/c1d5e65e890fb10f4bf563be84e978b3.png but yeah.. tank items are fine and champs like Fizz or Ekko are the problem Kappa

RalanrMar 10, 20173 votes

Remember how I said anything can kill ADCs? Yeah that's not me joking, literally anything can kill ADCs.

PennsMar 10, 20171 votes

What does that have to do with some tank items being overpowered tho?

RalanrMar 10, 20172 votes

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What does that have to do with some tank items being overpowered tho?

Because they aren't overpowered. ADCs are literally just so squishy that you can kill them early with base stats on pretty much everyone. After that you can just build durable to make it harder for them to kill you before you kill them, or damage so that you kill them very quickly.

That whole tank Talon BS wasn't because tank items were overpowered. It was because ADCs kept killing assassins too quickly, which forced assassins to build tank to survive the adc burst and somehow still be able to kill them because of their own base damage.

Course with the coming update, we may never have to see tank assassins ever again. And let me be the first to say THANK FUCKING GOD

PennsMar 10, 20171 votes

I hope tank Fizz is still gonna be a thing, cause right now its way more fun than hoping you play against bad mid laners with ap Fizz lol

RalanrMar 10, 20172 votes

No offense to you, but I personally don't hope it stays a thing.

PennsMar 10, 20171 votes

Why tho? I mean he is more mobile than other fighters but he lacks the cc/defensive steroids of them. If Irelia, Hecarim, Jax,... can build Trinity + tank and shit on peoples, why cant I? :c

RalanrMar 10, 20171 votes

Because you have invulnerability on a short cooldown?

Effectively that already makes you very pseudo tanky because you can flat out avoid damage. Allowing yourself to be more durable removes the choices in using your invulnerability. Now instead of "should I avoid this with my E or save my E for something else?" It's "oh I can totally tank this. I'll use my E later"

It also doesn't leave room for much weakness to capitalize on for your opponent as the game goes on.

PennsMar 11, 20171 votes

Idk when Im this tanky its not really worth to use it to avoid something anyway unless Syndra, for whatever reason, decides to ult me or something. Its mostly just an aoe slow on tank Fizz.

RalanrMar 11, 20171 votes

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Idk when Im this tanky its not really worth to use it to avoid something anyway unless Syndra, for whatever reason, decides to ult me or something. Its mostly just an aoe slow on tank Fizz.

That's kinda the problem.

ForgiveColourMar 11, 20172 votes

Lmao "adc killing stuff late game so its totally fair and balanced that an assassin with tank itemization can kill them 100-0"

Wtf is this logic

RalanrMar 11, 20171 votes

It's not fair that an assassin with tank itemization can kill them 100-0. If anything, assassins should be the ones losing out on damage for building tank because they weren't designed to build tank.

But they weren't losing enough damage. That was the problem.

ForgiveColourMar 11, 20172 votes

Took then 1 year to hit Rylais and now honestly flat mpen is op but its totally balanced to gameplay board