Nowadays, unless to mage is super fed or the adc is bad/feeding, the ADC is almost always the one that's threatening a mage, even in a 1v1.
AD carries are way too strong Riot, and I'm sick of playing such a bot-lane focused meta.
BobaFlautist6 votesDo you...play mages...? I feel like I have 0 issue threatening adcs.
TreeDayBan5 votesIts a hate ADC circle jerk around here. I mean we just saw Power of Evil hard carry a game as Syndra, vs. Flyquest, by deleting people. And he had a damn Mercurial Scimitar as his 6th item because of Skarner. Just straight deleted Wild turtle to win the game. Deleted Stunt multiple times.
You have to realize people around here just want to whine, and circlejerk.
vgamedude3 votesIts a hate ADC circle jerk around here. I mean we just saw Power of Evil hard carry a game as Syndra, vs. Flyquest, by deleting people. And he had a damn Mercurial Scimitar as his 6th item because of Skarner. Just straight deleted Wild turtle to win the game. Deleted Stunt multiple times.
You have to realize people around here just want to whine, and circlejerk.
You mean where he barely did more damage than the draven even with a performance like that? Ya you sure showed us.
TreeDayBan2 votesDId you watch the game? If you did, you will see that he 1 shot multiple people to win the game. Or did you just go look for a damage chart like that matters. What mattered was him consistently deleting Stunt and then Deleting turtle underneath the turret at the end. All with a mercurial skimitar cheating him out of a 6th item worth of AP. Of course his overall damage is going to be lower; hes a burst mage with an AD item for his 6th item becuase of Skarner. But he deleted the squishy people when he needed to.
You didnt watch the game.
vgamedude3 votesDId you watch the game? If you did, you will see that he 1 shot multiple people to win the game. Or did you just go look for a damage chart like that matters. What mattered was him consistently deleting Stunt and then Deleting turtle underneath the turret at the end. All with a mercurial skimitar cheating him out of a 6th item worth of AP. Of course his overall damage is going to be lower; hes a burst mage with an AD item for his 6th item becuase of Skarner. But he deleted the squishy people when he needed to.
You didnt watch the game.
I did watch the game. I watch alot of games and consistently you have only the adc doing meaningful damage later. You pick one outlier game and even still in the outlier game the draven had nearly as much as the fed mid popping off.
You want to ignore the damage stats.
TreeDayBan2 votesNo you are just a straight ADC hater. Its all you bitch about on these forums. 24/7 you whining about ADCs. You get kited by one and come straight to the forums. You are a top lane main; you dont even play mages. You know, I have an 8 game win streak, 100% win-rate, on Sion. Your role; a role I dont even main. I dont cry about the ADCs I run over on Sion that cannot even touch me. To hear you say it, you can't carry from top because top is bad and ADCs are OP.
I mean you main Teemo of all champs and you are whining about ADCs? You play Camille which can just completely lock down an ADC and 2 shot her and here you are, still whining about ADCs. Maybe get good.
vgamedude4 votesNo you are just a straight ADC hater. Its all you bitch about on these forums. 24/7 you whining about ADCs. You get kited by one and come straight to the forums. You are a top lane main; you dont even play mages. You know, I have an 8 game win streak, 100% win-rate, on Sion. Your role; a role I dont even main. I dont cry about the ADCs I run over on Sion that cannot even touch me. To hear you say it, you can't carry from top because top is bad and ADCs are OP.
I mean you main Teemo of all champs and you are whining about ADCs? You play Camille which can just completely lock down an ADC and 2 shot her and here you are, still whining about ADCs. Maybe get good.
And all you do is ignore damage and stats and defend adcs on here 24/7.
Literally the best objective takers, best scalers, best itemization, good sustain and easiest and most reliable highest damage.
TreeDayBan2 votesI dont defend all ADCs. There are 3-4 that are too strong. Not all of them are good. But you literally whine about EVERYTHING ADC related. I mean its not even constructive. You just freakin whine all the time, about ADCs.
But you keep acting like its a free win and the only thing holding you back is not maining ADC. Well please my friend, Que up. Start maining it. You know its not that easy or you would. Please lets do it. I'll main top, you can main ADC. 20-30 games. We see who ends up with the better record. Hell, you are even lower divisions so it should be SO easy for you to just dump on all those scrubs with OP ADCs while I'll actually face ADCs who can kite. Lets do it son. We swap roles.
vgamedude3 votesI dont defend all ADCs. There are 3-4 that are too strong. Not all of them are good. But you literally whine about EVERYTHING ADC related. I mean its not even constructive. You just freakin whine all the time, about ADCs.
But you keep acting like its a free win and the only thing holding you back is not maining ADC. Well please my friend, Que up. Start maining it. You know its not that easy or you would. Please lets do it. I'll main top, you can main ADC. 20-30 games. We see who ends up with the better record. Hell, you are even lower divisions so it should be SO easy for you to just dump on all those scrubs with OP ADCs while I'll actually face ADCs who can kite. Lets do it son. We swap roles.
No other class except maybe azir which is one champion can ever come close to the damage adcs can do. That's just simply unfair. You just don't see other classes doing 50 percent of a teams damage even when you have a hyper carry mid laner (ryze) on their team like kt vs kst the other day.
TreeDayBan2 votesYou ignoring my challenge here buddy? I want to see you put your money where your mouth is. Swap to ADC. I'll swap to top. We see whats what. I get tired of seeing you guys blindly whine 24/7 when you know good and damn well its mostly a bunch of BS coming out of your mouth.
vgamedude1 votesYou ignoring my challenge here buddy? I want to see you put your money where your mouth is. Swap to ADC. I'll swap to top. We see whats what. I get tired of seeing you guys blindly whine 24/7 when you know good and damn well its mostly a bunch of BS coming out of your mouth.
It's not only even about being easy or not I'm talking actual facts and stats not anecdotes.
TreeDayBan2 votesThats what I figured. You guys like to come here and spew a bunch of BS but when it comes down to it you are afraid to prove it. Because you would swap to the OP ADC and probably lose 75% of your games.
Just like all the people whining here about tanks when the meta is actually carry top laners. But hey, this is a forum for people full of shit, not actual discussion.
vgamedude2 votesThats what I figured. You guys like to come here and spew a bunch of BS but when it comes down to it you are afraid to prove it. Because you would swap to the OP ADC and probably lose 75% of your games.
Just like all the people whining here about tanks when the meta is actually carry top laners. But hey, this is a forum for people full of shit, not actual discussion.
Because this isn't about me being a good player or not. I know I'm not a great player, that has zero to do with what I'm saying or how the adc in a professional game had 50 percent of their team damage even while their midlaner was a ryze performing well.
TreeDayBan2 votesHow do you even have trouble of out ADCs in lower elo? Tell me? They can't kite well, people NEVER peel or play around them hardly ever. So how exactly is the professional scene or even high elo scene where people play around them, AND they are good mechanically, affecting you personally? Because regardless of what you believe ADC is mechanically intensive. Thats why you wont swap. Its not as simple as right click to win. We both know it. So how exactly is any of this affecting you? ADCs are damn near free kills in lower elo if you have the right champs, and they play anything besides Trist.
You even have good win-rates on your champs. How many of those Nasus games did you run up and wither an ADC and no one helped him, and you just beat him down? A good bit I bet. But you like to forget those games, and whine about that one time you faced a semi competent Tristana who kited you out while YOU were the one spamming right click on him.
Just gets old listening to a bunch of BS around here. I mean even in my Sion games I'm literally soloing out any ADC who isn't Vayne. So how the hell are YOU having trouble with them.
vgamedude2 votesHow do you even have trouble of out ADCs in lower elo? Tell me? They can't kite well, people NEVER peel or play around them hardly ever. So how exactly is the professional scene or even high elo scene where people play around them, AND they are good mechanically, affecting you personally? Because regardless of what you believe ADC is mechanically intensive. Thats why you wont swap. Its not as simple as right click to win. We both know it. So how exactly is any of this affecting you? ADCs are damn near free kills in lower elo if you have the right champs, and they play anything besides Trist.
You even have good win-rates on your champs. How many of those Nasus games did you run up and wither an ADC and no one helped him, and you just beat him down? A good bit I bet. But you like to forget those games, and whine about that one time you faced a semi competent Tristana who kited you out while YOU were the one spamming right click on him.
Just gets old listening to a bunch of BS around here. I mean even in my Sion games I'm literally soloing out any ADC who isn't Vayne. So how the hell are YOU having trouble with them.
This isn't even about me as I've said multiple times already, the difference between you and me is you keep on beating in the anecdotes and personal insults I'm talking exclusively on numbers and higher levels of play that we all can observe.
Your personal games aren't a good source of evidence on the state of the game and neither are my anecdotes either.
But if you wish so much to delve into that it's not like it's above a gold or high silver player to stay behind a front line and right click people down.
TreeDayBan1 votesNumbers? Oh shall we?
Here is win-rates from champion.gg
http://www.champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
There is 1 ADC in the top 10. Twitch at # 10.
The next ADC doesn't come in until number 25: Trist.
And its widely considered both of those are OP, yet they are the only 2 ADCs in the top 30.
10 and 25. Twitch and Trist. The only ADCs. So please, tell me what numbers you are using. Oh the next ADC? Jinx at 43. 3 ADCs in the TOP 50 of all win-rates. If they were so damn OP, why aren't there 4-5 in the top 10? Hell there isn't even 4-5 in the top 50.
vgamedude1 votesNumbers? Oh shall we?
Here is win-rates from champion.gg
http://www.champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
There is 1 ADC in the top 10. Twitch at # 10.
The next ADC doesn't come in until number 25: Trist.
And its widely considered both of those are OP, yet they are the only 2 ADCs in the top 30.
10 and 25. Twitch and Trist. The only ADCs. So please, tell me what numbers you are using. Oh the next ADC? Jinx at 43. 3 ADCs in the TOP 50 of all win-rates. If they were so damn OP, why aren't there 4-5 in the top 10? Hell there isn't even 4-5 in the top 50.
Not this again. ADC winrate is literally only relevant compared to other adcs since it's the only role and class that remains constant in every single game, you even know this because I've seen numerous people point it out to you multiple times.
Literally says nothing about their strength compared to other roles.
Daddy Ants1 votesI dont defend all ADCs. There are 3-4 that are too strong. Not all of them are good. But you literally whine about EVERYTHING ADC related. I mean its not even constructive. You just freakin whine all the time, about ADCs.
But you keep acting like its a free win and the only thing holding you back is not maining ADC. Well please my friend, Que up. Start maining it. You know its not that easy or you would. Please lets do it. I'll main top, you can main ADC. 20-30 games. We see who ends up with the better record. Hell, you are even lower divisions so it should be SO easy for you to just dump on all those scrubs with OP ADCs while I'll actually face ADCs who can kite. Lets do it son. We swap roles.
Literally the only ADC's that are "too strong" are 
TreeDayBan1 votesI quoted the win-rates for that guy. There are 3 ADCs in the top 50 of win-rates. Twitch at 10, Trist at 25, Jinx at 43.
Now if ADCs were so damn OP, why aren't there more even in the top 50? These guys are just complete scrubs is the problem who whine about eveyrthing.
LightIsMyPath2 votesYou can't consider winrates to compare ADCs to other roles though. There's an ADC in every single team so if one is winning the other is loosing, always. So they can't ever have monstrous winrates as a whole. Even when the class is overall bad they will never drop too much in winrate for the same reason. Not to agree with the other guy but just a thing many people seems to forget.
Mizaya2 votesWell Syndra just one shot the adc/supp and that was that, 2k dmg. Draven probably did more hitting the frontline in a fight but never actually killing them. You're comparing burst mage to dps, Cait vs Azir dmg is a better comparison.
NemeBro1 votesYou mean where he barely did more damage than the draven even with a performance like that? Ya you sure showed us.
Meanwhile Azir has nearly twice Draven and Cait's damage lul.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/detailed/
Sort by damage dealt. Notice the top five spot has one ADC at fifth place in Ezreal, and then three mages plus Teemo. The top ten has two ADCs and six mages.
BobaFlautist1 votesI mean there are plenty of things to be frustrated about in game, and there are situations where adcs are a hassle, but usually it's not when you're a mage.
What are people doing, trying to 1v1 Lucian as Karthus or Anivia with a tear and a catalyst? Trying to play Swain support into Caitlyn? I don't get it...
vgamedude5 votesTrue. Honestly playing a late game mage carry feels awful, what's the point when you'll never come close to the carry potential of a adc or their damage? Might as well play a damn utility pick.
When Caitlyn who is whined about as a weak adc does literally 50 percent of a teams damage that has a ryze with Morello and roa on their team as well it's just flat out disgusting. (See kt vs ksv game 2 the other day)
Kaioko3 votesRyze is currently not in the greatest spot though. Should wait till after the AP item reworks and see how he performs with all the extra Mana suddenly available.
vgamedude2 votesRyze is currently not in the greatest spot though. Should wait till after the AP item reworks and see how he performs with all the extra Mana suddenly available.
That's another issue it's not only ryze. Hell the only late game mage carries that see any use are ryze and azir, and azir is the only one who can approach adc level damage late game since his damage is in alot of the same form as them.
Kaioko5 votesMages are not supposed to be late game monsters. They are supposed to control the mid game basically around level 13 once they have their two damaging abilities maxed and two points in their ult. The game has always been set up that way.
The issue right now with ADCs is how quickly they can get their late game power stat right now which overshadows the mage's mid game. Late game has always been about ADCs the only exceptions could be Cass, Azir, Ryze (at some points) Kayle (if you count her as a mage) and a couple others I'm sure I'm forgetting.
vgamedude4 votesMages are not supposed to be late game monsters. They are supposed to control the mid game basically around level 13 once they have their two damaging abilities maxed and two points in their ult. The game has always been set up that way.
The issue right now with ADCs is how quickly they can get their late game power stat right now which overshadows the mage's mid game. Late game has always been about ADCs the only exceptions could be Cass, Azir, Ryze (at some points) Kayle (if you count her as a mage) and a couple others I'm sure I'm forgetting.
There are classes in every single role that vary between late game and early game focus though. Except bot where everything is allowed various degrees of strength early and mid and then either super strong or strong late game.
ADC shouldn't be the only role that has viable and good damage late game. That's absolutely stupid and unfair for 4 out of the 5 of the other people playing this game.
Kaioko2 votesRight and mages are predominantly mid game with the exception of the ones that we pointed out. Out of those Ryze could use a buff I agree and my argument is that we should wait to see how he performs with the new items which heavily favor mana oriented builds and those who can spam their abilities (same with Cass and that new Liandri's for that matter).
What exactly is the issue then?
vgamedude2 votesRight and mages are predominantly mid game with the exception of the ones that we pointed out. Out of those Ryze could use a buff I agree and my argument is that we should wait to see how he performs with the new items which heavily favor mana oriented builds and those who can spam their abilities (same with Cass and that new Liandri's for that matter).
What exactly is the issue then?
That no late game class in any role can in anyway compete with adcs.
They have the best objective taking, team fight damage, sustain from items, item synergy, damage, reliability of damage etc.
saltran1 votesThis guy uses a long game where KSV did the turtle strategy playing only defensive and Deft's Cait had free dmg into 2 punching bags like Cho and Sej. It was a long siege game where a champ like Pawn's Ryze who has low range could only enter into a few fights meanwhile Cait was free poking.
I don't even answer him because it's worthles since he already knows it if he saw the game but he will circlejerk anyway.
warpenguin5552 votesThey still can't deal with Malzahar. None of them are smart enough to buy qss.
5050BS1 votesIts LifeSteal. Its game breaking on all AA AD champs.
OP Garen Support1 votesOnce patch 8.4 hits live there will be ADC2K18 threads all over the boards lol.
Lord of Math1 votesI love playing 
when the enemies that are fed are AD. It feels worse when they are AP, for I take the Transcendence rune and proceed to build 
and mess with them, for they do not reduce my damage very much at all.
Śhunpo1 votesThey'll be goddamn scared now.....Mages are broken xd
