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Why is Teleport listed as a negative impact by Meddler LOL???

Ahristocats··48 votes·4,618 views

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This is what literally happened casually discussing with Dan Dan DoubleD, this guy is a semi-pro that is extremely famous on EUW, he played the challenger series for team origens http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Dan%20Dan%20DoubleD

and what he said completly amazed me, Meddler literally lists teleport as a negative impact FOR NO REASONS AT ALL Toplaners have the least impact in the game right now they already can't move in teamfights unless they're camille/gangplank but now, they further want toplaners to not have a say to what happens bot lane?
you don't believe that toplane has no impact?

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THAT'S RIGHT show me once a game of lcs where the jungler focused on ganking top pro players do not give a fuck about top because they know that even if the enemy toplaner is ahead, it doesn't matter if botlane is ahead, the toplaner won't do jackshit to Varus +Braum insane cc you want to change that for pro? then you might just DELETE TOPLANE from the pro scene, because all top is doing is **ing teleporting bot lane in pro they don't do anything else

this change is SO WRONG it increases snowballing by a lot it makes top an island even more reduces toplane's impact

and stop telling me that "top4 challengers are toplane mains" it's just as Dan said it, the majority of people don't want to play top anymore, it's THE LEAST PLAYED ROLE

68 Comments

Salson30 votes

Makes you wonder if anyone in the Balance team even plays Top.

T4underbolt5 votes

Most of balance team plays ADC or shts like vlad,gnar,Jayce. That says a lot.

AirKingNeo5 votes

Or support. Meddler, for example, is a support main.

T4underbolt2 votes

+1

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

coincidence ?[sg-lulu]

ShaolinToilet11 votes

This is false and you are spreading bullshit

Lil Homie busta18 votes

Yeah, that's right. Most of the balance team doesn't play at all.

"You don't have to play the game to design it."

JaxMoonStealer2 votes

Source?

Telosen5 votes

Where have I heard this? I think some Hashinshin guy says that repeatedly. It's almost like the guy is right about a lot of things...

Kai Guy15 votes

Does Tele make top more healthy? Does it make Bot less of a priority? Does it provide top any extra impact besides roam to bot?

I feel like reasons did get provided. "chilling effect it has on the game in many cases, both in pro and regular play. Things like how it makes it harder to fight and meaningfully win in top lane, increases risk of aggressive play in bot (don't so you don't get TP flanked), leads to periods of 'wait until TP is up before trying anything late game etc."

Can I encourage you to directly address where, why, and how you disagree with them. I know your upset about tops health, but lets try to address the specifics of this tele issue separately from the overreaching issues of top.

Ahristocats21 votes

because it's not HARD to win top literally everything Dan said summons up why meddler is wrong

-it reduces snowballing -increases toplane impact

both of those thing increases toplane's healthiness

-it is not hard to win top because if you make him use tp then you have free roam over the map because the other dude has no teleport

Divine Thighs10 votes

This man is right Winning top is not hard at all. Winning top and then making that win translate to a victory is hard.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

The problem is the fact if you DON'T take TP top you are actually a hindrance to your team in every single possible way and you HAVE to take Unsealed Spellbook if you want to choose anything else because of how game warping the single summoner spell is. When you have champions like Kled, Renekton, Riven, etc. ONLY taking USB just so they can "safely" start Ignite level 1 to kill the enemy laner, there is generally a problem with teleport that you have to take a "non-impactful" keystone in order to take literally any other summoner spell top lane JUST IN CASE your level 2 all in doesn't work.

If you don't take TP or USB that signals the enemy jungler to just straight up level 2-3 gank you because generally you WILL have to recall afterwards and you are going to get camped all day while the enemy top laner now has a lead over you and can actually do something such as tp bot when your jungler decides to go down there thus making it a 3v3 or even 4v3 if the enemy jungler paths down there as well while you get to sit top and look pretty with your ignite.

Ahristocats3 votes

if you don't take tp you're a hindrance to your team no matter if enemy top has tp or not

this change is just going to make both toplaners so horrible toplaners won't be fun to play at all you get ganked by jungler and can't come back quickly to lane your own tower will suffer for half of it's hp you won't have any impact on what happens bot then later be useless

welp

Critmaster Garen11 votes

the problem of top lane isnt that its too hard to win. the problem of top lane is how hard you have to win to have the same game impact as bot lane.

how about making the rest of the game less snowbally instead of forcing top lane into the same snowbally bullshit like the other lanes (specifically bot)?

Fisher No Chains2 votes

Eh, don’t think that mid is any better...

The only difference between a midlaner and a toplaner is that mid can roam easily bot whereas top needs TP and can’t leave the lane for too long without losing 2 turrets.

I can go 10/0 in lane and try to spread my lead, but if my botlane is absolutely retarded there’s no way I’m going to win the game. Sadly, this happens way too often in season 8 and I’m tired of being a secondary support for my team instead of a damage threat/actual CARRY.

And before people claim that mid can carry, I just want them to realize that mid can’t carry shit alone in decent elos simply because the game doesn’t really depend on you. If bot gets camped and loses hard, you lose objectives pressure. And a failed roam in botlane means that both mid and bot are going to be behind, which means that unless your opponent is bad/you outplay them really hard, you’re going to have a rough time trying to deal with the enemy pushing with stats and gold advantage that comes from the botlane stomp.

I’ve tried playing every kind of midlaner on my smurf (P3 currently) and it doesn’t really matter if I’m a 12/2 LeBlanc or a 9/3 Syndra, if my bot is 0/4 and the enemy bot is 1+ item ahead then the game is pretty much over unless they misplay and throw.

Escheton6 votes

It's not about top with TP. It's about 4 people on the team having unsealed spellbook and TP by midgame so that they can 5 man anywhere and just bully the game. The problem is unsealed spellbook. Not TP. It's the Braum support ganking top with a TP as Twisted Fate ults in because they needed a tank to take some turret shots.

2Charmnot2Charm6 votes

Why is Teleport listed as a negative impact by Meddler LOL???

Because Meddler is a dirty adc main that's why. Absolutely disgusting.

Fairyfleur5 votes

He has literally only been playing support Nami/Leona for the longest time and just now started playing a little bit of Jinx, who happens to have a lot of love from the community for her personality, design, and quotes.

Is playing 40 games of Jinx a crime?

General Esdeath 5 votes

He's been playing Jinx and almost nothing else since the season started...

Fairyfleur4 votes

Yes, and had 200 games of Nami in s7 when ADCs were just as strong.

General Esdeath 6 votes

You mean the season when ardent was broken he was playing a support with heals, AA buffs, and CC/movespeed?

:thinking:

Also Jinx had a huge nerf reverted this season, what a coincidence...

Fairyfleur2 votes

Nami was never a good user of Ardent. Her heal costs a lot more and is much less effective on a single target just to get ardent.

If he wanted to abuse ardent, he would’ve played Lulu.

Also, Jinx is still pretty lackluster compared to other ADCs and if he wanted to make Jinx stronger he wouldn’t have nerfed the relic strat.

Edit: Also, he was playing a lot of Nami in S6 so, what now?

General Esdeath 4 votes

The ardent boost didn't rely on how strong the heal/shield was, just that it was one. Also Nami can bounce her ebb and flow multiple times.

Jinx getting a huge nerf reverted speaks volumes about this balance team, relic nerf or not.

2Charmnot2Charm1 votes

The only thing lulu had to apply ardent before arey rune came out was her shield. Her ult does not count as healing since it literally gives you a flat amount of bonus hp on demand.

If you picked lulu over janna, it's because you're trying to get a early lead, and force things to happen mid game with her kit that enables her teammates to be aggressive to win the game before janna+adc out scales.

Also, Xayah, Varus, and tristana are picked or banned often, So it's no surprised that he is playing jinx.

HungryAngry2SPP5 votes

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Spicy Rice4 votes

Honestly, I'd be interested in how top lane would be if teleport got removed.

It would make top lane more of a priority, as you wouldn't be able to just ignore split pushers (as much), therefore you would need to make sure the enemy top laner was as useless as possible.

At the same time, it would make top much more dangerous, where one little advantage would snowball ridiculously hard.

I'm not saying it would be healthy for the game, just that removing the staple summoner of Top lane would throw a stone in the pond we call League of Legends, and that no amount of theory crafting can really predict what would happen by the time the water settled

Blakiepug2 votes

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Honestly, I'd be interested in how top lane would be if teleport got removed.

It would make top lane more of a priority, as you wouldn't be able to just ignore split pushers (as much), therefore you would need to make sure the enemy top laner was as useless as possible.

At the same time, it would make top much more dangerous, where one little advantage would snowball ridiculously hard.

I'm not saying it would be healthy for the game, just that removing the staple summoner of Top lane would throw a stone in the pond we call League of Legends, and that no amount of theory crafting can really predict what would happen by the time the water settled

Honestly, I'd be interested in how the game would be if Flash got removed.

Lauchmelder5 votes

What's gonna happen?

Shen Gangplank Karthus toplane baby, because they can use their globals to help out botlane.

Sounds stupid, is stupid, I don't wanna see that kind of stupid.

THE D1C2 votes

I mean good point? That’s kind of the idea. If they use their globals they can be punished. If Shen takes nerfed TP to return to lane after stand united he gives up kill pressure by not having ignite or exhaist etc eveything has a cost.

Point is top laners have used TP exclusively for so long they think it’s only theirs.

I say if Top lane is an island, let’s bring back bruisers with ignite, let’s turn this shit into the best island ever.

Wise Enough1 votes

It is not like you don't have Rengar/Shaco/Yi top with ignites, you know :/

Furious Delisha1 votes

Soraka too

kappa

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Gangplank Sounds stupid, is stupid, I don't wanna see that kind of stupid.

too late bro*[sg-miss-fortune]*

Lauchmelder1 votes

Well having global ults occasionally is completely fine. (and I might be a bit biased when it comes to GP, just check my OP.GG)

I just don't want to see a toplane meta of: Do I have a global ult to "gank" botlane? Yes - you're viable No - you're not viable

TotalJerk1 votes

If teleport was removed top lane wouldn't be bot lane's "get out of jail free" card.

Ralik0984 votes

It is a negative impact because it is a minor inconvenience to bot lane. Riot obviously doesn't care about top lane.

DragonShea3 votes

Because Medder is a an idiot or has become GC's bitch.

Pika Fox3 votes

"Top laners dont impact games"

Except they do. Constantly. Do you think a 4 man ornn ult does nothing? Or a good Maokai ult and turn? Or a Jax successfully split pushing forcing 2 people to respond to him while your team grabs baron, or baits the enemy into stopping your baron while he takes a free tower?

Top lane has a lot of impact. The statement it doesnt stems from dragon being the better early objective so people play around it. But that doesnt mean top lane has zero game impact. If youre having zero impact in your games as a top laner, you simply are not playing properly.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

Top lane has a lot of impact.

no

The statement it doesnt stems from dragon being the better early objective so people play around it.

its not the reason. Junglers don't camp bot just for drake... at least in solo Q. They camp bot cause bot decide if u win or lose. Top is irrevelant... unless OVERfed.

But that doesnt mean top lane has zero game impact.

ofc.

Saibbo3 votes

Is their revenge against hashinshin calling them out x)

Drugoth2 votes

show me once a game of lcs where the jungler focused on ganking top

Lol, you're kidding right? Remember when Dyrus was on TSM? Poor guy, it practically turned into a meme.

Håppy8 votes

That was back when top lane actually had an effect on the game though.

DegenERICK9 votes

Haha, yeah, remember that one game from 4 years ago?!

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Technically speaking. That is a game of LCS regardless. Didn't specify Season 8 so he did provide an example of an LCS game despite it not being a very good one.

DegenERICK2 votes

Teleport should be removed from the game. Teleport is what ruined top lane and made it so fucking hard to punish the opposing top laner even if he misplays and you get the kill, he'll TP right back and if you don't follow up on his TP you'll actually be at a disadvantage DESPITE KILLING HIM. Removing TP would beneficial for top lane, maybe turn it into an item for late game split pushers or something but TP is a toxic summoner spell and any top lane main pre-s4 knows what I'm talking about

Jerry SeinfeId2 votes

i wouldn't mind to see it go. Right now i take it but ghost flash singed is pretty fun.

Ashen Rider2 votes

I think the obvious solution for Riot would be to increase the cooldown, but give it back the cooldown reduction when teleporting to allied turrets.

Spârky2 votes

Hey from what i have picked up from reddit/boards is that they are nerfing tp because that will allow them to balance top lane much better. I think the fear is and i have seen this on reddit a lot is that if they keep tp the same and change top lane to where it can carry games again that it will just be bot lane 2.0 where instead of getting bot ahead you will just get your toplaner ahead and he will take over the entire game. I for one actually like the tp nerf. Because I think it lets carry tops punish winning matchups more to get even further ahead. To me nerfing tp isnt about making top about impacting bot lane it's about letting top lane actually get advantages without the other person just being able to tp back. I think the tp nerf will let them put more power back into the champions themselves then it makes the engage top laners have their niche because at the moment a good tp flank lets lots of top laners that shouldn't be able to engage, engage. It's the meta though it always changes. So if they try it and it doesn't work then they will change it. This is always how it has been.

Edit: LCS games that focused on top. C9 vs TL actually a good majority of C9 games they focus top. But I don't understand the boards. You don't want to be compared to LCS games because the casual player isn't in the lcs then we get discussions like this that use lcs games to determine balance XD

Deez Crits2 votes

show me once a game of lcs where the jungler focused on ganking top

https://youtu.be/CnQ5GEHo02k

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/TRLH1/1002440106?gameHash=d6441d4ec8f87534&tab=overview

Not to say that any of your points are invalid, but you asked for it!

Cosnirak2 votes

So much of this post is flat out incorrect and even when it isn't, it's super shortsighted. Literally one of the worst threads in all of Gameplay's entire history. Logical fallacies just oozing in every direction, hyperbole galore, a complete lack of actual evidence to support your claims which are made as if they're well proven facts, and more.

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