A large majority of bruisers aren't playable top lane because of a 900 gold item invalidating them to fight their opponent, which means they can't win lane nor splitpush and are forced to be outscaled as mid-late game roles around.
What great item design, surely didn't break the game and make an entire class of champions unviable for 900 gold.
Rexxiee3 votesIts fun to play fiora and get your whole kit hard countered by 900g.
Literally a 900g item that requires you to buy over 3 completed items for you deal with it.
But hey riot isnt biased towards tanks, at all Kappa.
TheSingularity2 votesIf there was more to killing fiora than out stat checking her with 
, and more to her killing you than simply out stat checking most other champs, I'd agree that unavoidable grievous wounds kinda sucks for AA champs.
But that's all she is, 80% point and click stat stick, the 20% missing being the riposte.
And how do you beat a stat stick? With a better stat stick [slayer-jinx-unamused]
Mens Hair Club2 votesfiora is not a stat stick
TheSingularity2 voteshow so? Allot of unavoidable true damage tacked on, atk reset, crit and auto targeted dmg. How is that not a stat stick?
Yi is a stat stick, fiora only has one additional spell that has to be aimed
Ralanr2 votesI agree. Mainly because I hate the little reason to upgrade bramble.
WoonStruck1 votesADs deserve to be shit on like APs in lane, I guess.
I don't mind until they nerf hexdrinker. Hard.
ReySolomon1 votesWell when you are up against a vayne with warlords mastery and is rushing BORK how can you beat that? Thank god for bramble vest!
AirKingNeo1 votesNerf Warlord's then or make only Thornmail gives GW (and problem raise stats and up cost so I can't be abused for laning).
Problem solved.
ReySolomon1 votesNerf Warlord's then or make only Thornmail gives GW (and problem raise stats and up cost so I can't be abused for laning).
Problem solved.
Nerfing warlords would be really bad for botlane then due to the pokes ETC.
Sona Ping1 votesYou play safe for a little bit and then you kill Vayne or Twitch or whoever. Repeatedly.
TheDesoIation1 votesI agree completely even tho i don't play much toplane when i do i mostly play renekton,jax,irelia,kled and they completely get cucked by that item Renekton especially both your Q and W work pretty much against you i would remove GW on it and add it to thornmail and raise the cost to like 1100 g or smt but currently with tabis and bramble you can't die to an ad bruiser after you get 2000g to buy both of them and there's next to no point in upgrading to thronmail except to fill out your item slots
Final Spark Lux1 votesThis might sound bizarre, but what if you also just buy the bramble?
AirKingNeo2 votesExcept Bramble negates bruisers, not tanks...
Seriously, you're plat or diamond..
Final Spark Lux2 votesYou never said you were playing vs a tank
AirKingNeo1 votesThen it's a degenerate playing style where you both pay 900 gold and don't touch each other.
Or jungler camps until you get the bramble lead.
Final Spark Lux1 votesthats really bad logic. That would be like me saying mid is a degenerate playstyle if its 2 mages because they both buy AP. You just gotta buy whats best for the situation, and if that happens to be this, so be it. 900 gold is pretty cheap for something you claim is so strong, so I don't see the point in not buying it
AirKingNeo1 votesBecause if both mages buy AP, they can still fight each other.
Bramble Vest turns the lane passive.
Final Spark Lux2 votesSo play passive and CS? Not understanding the problem here. You don't HAVE to fight every second of every game.
AirKingNeo2 votesFighters get outscales if they can't fight. Fighters need to kill their opponent to make their splitpush work.
Final Spark Lux1 votesI never said never fight, I said you don't have to all the time. If buying this item stops you from feeding so you can farm up and get real items, then it shouldn't be considered a problem. Also if you wanna get technical, the only thing required for a split push to work is for the enemy to not defend the objective. If your enemy has to back because they're low, and you don't, you keep pushing. A kill would be better for the gold, but again, it isn't something you NEED. Have you ever seen people play no damage tryndamere? It's pretty disgusting to watch. Such BM.
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thats really bad logic. That would be like me saying mid is a degenerate playstyle if its 2 mages because they both buy AP. You just gotta buy whats best for the situation, and if that happens to be this, so be it. 900 gold is pretty cheap for something you claim is so strong, so I don't see the point in not buying it
AP is not a single, specific item. Don't denounce others as having "bad logic" when you do things like that. Also, you're defending it with the "you do X as well" reason which is frequently the definitive example of something being overpowered and needing to be removed from the game.
Final Spark Lux1 votesDoesn't matter if AP isn't a single item, the comparison is not between bramble and AP, the comparison is between 2 scenarios. They're complaining that they lose their lane if they don't buy it as a fighter, and they don't if they do. Imagine that, losing their lane to someone building an item designed to specifically counter them. Just because something counters someone doesn't make it overpowered, or have the need to be removed from the game. Regardless what your opinion is, mine is it's bad logic. They'd rather lose their lane by constantly fighting and dying against someone who's smart enough to build against them over farming up in a passive lane and getting real items, just because they don't want to build this.